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Ambitious Spider
Feb 13, 2012



Lipstick Apathy

Warthur posted:

I think Icke 100% did know that reptilian aliens were in UFO lore before he talked about it because he steals almost all of his talking points, and had been in the habit of doing so for years before he got onto the Reptoid kick. He is one of the biggest plagiarists on the scene next to Alex Jones.

I've done articles digging into this deeper but in summary: The Robots' Rebellion, his first book which went into full-on conspiracy theory stuff rather than reheated Theosophy, is more or less a direct rip-off of Behold a Pale Horse and William Bramley's The Gods of Eden, and he's pretty much just tacked on more borrowed poo poo onto it since. He does more or less no original research of his own (beyond ayahuasca trips) but acts like he's discovered all this stuff by himself.

The side effect of this is that he's sort of accidentally useful as a bellweather. If you want to take the temperature of what conspiracy theory culture is excited about at the moment, taking a look at what Icke is currently expending his energy on talking about isn't a terrible way to do it. It's not perfect because conspiracy theorists are sectarian fuckers who like to have their little civil wars and schisms (see: Alex Jones yelling at QAnon Shaman and denouncing the Q movement), but it's a useful data point for monitoring purposes.

Interesting. Nice write ups. Didn't know about Gods of Eden, which seems like a fun book, and according to your writeup devoid of the hate that mars so much of this stuff. I've also never read any Icke, instead I just used to watch his lectures on youtube. One thing to have them on in the background, but I think I"d go crazy sitting through one in real life.

Ambitious Spider fucked around with this message at 14:43 on Jan 16, 2021

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Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal

Warthur posted:

I think Icke 100% did know that reptilian aliens were in UFO lore before he talked about it because he steals almost all of his talking points, and had been in the habit of doing so for years before he got onto the Reptoid kick. He is one of the biggest plagiarists on the scene next to Alex Jones.
And, much like Qanon, Jones loving hates him for it. Like Icke seriously got under his skin far more than the Clintons stinking of brimstone or whatever he gets performatively outraged about for the greatest sin, threatening the grift.

Them: Adventures with Extremists, is a fun book about extremists and conspiracy theorists in the immediate pre-9/11 era (and since updated) that was notable for picking up on Jones almost by accident, he was a minor figure among the Ickes and suburban Jihadist voices and New Klan who pops up screaming about poo poo from time to time, but contains this exchange:

quote:

‘Alex!’ I called. ‘What’s David Icke doing on television?’ ‘Oh,’ sighed Alex. ‘He’s big news.’ ‘Really?’ ‘You know him?’ ‘Well,’ I said, ‘he once announced on the Terry Wogan chat show on the BBC that he was the son of God.’ ‘That figures,’ said Alex, wearily. ‘He seems to be saying that the Bilderberg Group are twelve-foot lizards,’ I said. ‘DAVID ICKE,’ yelled Alex, suddenly, ‘IS A TURD IN A PUNCHBOWL!’ ‘What do you mean?’ ‘He talks about the global elite, the Bilderberg Group, these power structures which are all real, all true. Meat and potatoes! Something you can bite into! And then at the end of this he says, “By the way, they’re all blood-drinking lizards.” ’ ‘Really?’ ‘Al Gore needs blood to drink. So does Prince Philip. He’s discrediting the whole thing. You’ve got a nice fruit punch. Icke takes a great big dump right in the middle of it, and now nobody’s going to drink out of that punchbowl. That’s his job, and he’s doing his job well.’ ‘Are you suggesting that David Icke is in league with the global elite,’ I said, ‘employed to make the whole thing seem ridiculous?’ ‘He’s either a smart opportunist con man,’ said Alex, ‘or he’s totally insane, or he’s working for them directly.’

There's another bit of Icke-lore from it for free here.

In general though yeah, post-meltdown he does just seem to absorb the wrongest possible opinions by some kind of osmosis and reflect them on his stupid site, last time I bothered looking it was the '5G towers destroy oxygen' poo poo.

Ambitious Spider
Feb 13, 2012



Lipstick Apathy

Guavanaut posted:

And, much like Qanon, Jones loving hates him for it. Like Icke seriously got under his skin far more than the Clintons stinking of brimstone or whatever he gets performatively outraged about for the greatest sin, threatening the grift.

Them: Adventures with Extremists, is a fun book about extremists and conspiracy theorists in the immediate pre-9/11 era (and since updated) that was notable for picking up on Jones almost by accident, he was a minor figure among the Ickes and suburban Jihadist voices and New Klan who pops up screaming about poo poo from time to time, but contains this exchange:


There's another bit of Icke-lore from it for free here.

In general though yeah, post-meltdown he does just seem to absorb the wrongest possible opinions by some kind of osmosis and reflect them on his stupid site, last time I bothered looking it was the '5G towers destroy oxygen' poo poo.

I didn't know it was a book, but they made that into a documentary series. I think it might be where Jones' footage of Bohemian Grove first aired.

edit:here's the episode

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBMw2QErYzs

Ambitious Spider fucked around with this message at 15:25 on Jan 16, 2021

Yngwie Mangosteen
Aug 23, 2007

Morningwoodpecker posted:

That interpretation in this instance requires an assumption he genuinely thinks lying is wrong, he endangered a kid and tried to pick a row with the child's parent. So I doubt he's a particularly moral individual beyond condemning anyone for not demonstrating the same moral code and beliefs he parrots having picked it up from his peer group.

He probably thinks of mask wearers as the sheeple.

I was trying to explain to you what cognitive dissonance is, not speak to the inner life of a person that neither of us have met.

Uglycat
Dec 4, 2000
MORE INDISPUTABLE PROOF I AM BAD AT POSTING
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It's almost like q anon is the cassandra curse inverted

Morningwoodpecker
Jan 17, 2016

I DIDN'T THINK IT WAS POSSIBLE FOR SOMEONE TO BE THIS STUPID

BUT HERE YOU ARE

Captain Monkey posted:

I was trying to explain to you what cognitive dissonance is, not speak to the inner life of a person that neither of us have met.

Based on his behaviour he sounds like a twat, so I'm happy to slate him.

Cicadalek
May 8, 2006

Trite, contrived, mediocre, milquetoast, amateurish, infantile, cliche-and-gonorrhea-ridden paean to conformism, eye-fucked me, affront to humanity, war crime, should *literally* be tried for war crimes, talentless fuckfest, pedantic, listless, savagely boring, just one repulsive laugh after another

Why does everyone freeze in fear before the music starts? Is Tom Hanks that bad?

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

I don’t know why he wouldn’t be in on q stuff in the narrative. A boomer almost as beloved as JFK jr. He should be leading the mole-child laser armies.

Yngwie Mangosteen
Aug 23, 2007

Morningwoodpecker posted:

Based on his behaviour he sounds like a twat, so I'm happy to slate him.

I don’t care about that part.

DarklyDreaming
Apr 4, 2009

Fun scary

Antifa Turkeesian posted:

I don’t know why he wouldn’t be in on q stuff in the narrative. A boomer almost as beloved as JFK jr. He should be leading the mole-child laser armies.

It's because a major Q influencer says she has some "Recovered memories" about him

The Chairman
Jun 30, 2003

But you forget, mon ami, that there is evil everywhere under the sun
He was also one of the first few famous people to catch COVID-19 and have to be quarantined, back around the time when the story was that any famous person who claimed to have COVID-19 was actually admitting to taking a tainted dose of adenochrome

Morningwoodpecker
Jan 17, 2016

I DIDN'T THINK IT WAS POSSIBLE FOR SOMEONE TO BE THIS STUPID

BUT HERE YOU ARE

Captain Monkey posted:

I don’t care about that part.

I know, you want a tedious definition argument which I don't care about.

Karma Comedian
Feb 2, 2012

BiggerBoat posted:

Cross posting but...gently caress..what do you DO with these people? The true believers and hardcore weirdos are by far the biggest and most serious problem and I'm hosed if I know what to do about them.

I live in NE FL (St. Augustine) and went into a gas station, told my 9 year old son to social distance from anyone not wearing a mask in the store (there were a few) and the deliberately maskless motherfucker overheard me and was all "What did you say?!?" I politely informed the (maskless belligerent redneck) gentleman that I was not speaking to him but to my son, which seemed to clear the matter until we got outside and were waiting for the cops and the wreckers to clear an accident that had happened earlier.

I was explaining to my boy that we wear masks to protect other people, not ourselves, and also to avoid anyone not wearing one and overheard this stupid motherfucker STILL trying to interject himself into my reality and my conversation with my son, suggesting I not teach my son "bullshit". I didn't engage (I REALLY wanted to) and ignored him, just mainly to de-escalate and not put a 9 year old boy in danger, but these dummies were intentionally not wearing masks and seemed to be itching for someone to say something about it. Actually, there was no "seemed to be" about it. Like, they were just genuinely trying to start trouble for no reason with a little 4th grade boy standing there browsing the ice cream aisle.

I was...talking....to...my....SON. Bubba or whatever your name is.

I wanted to rip his loving throat out, slash his tires and set his loving truck on fire. Never mind reaching across the aisle to convince him to vote for UHC or talk him down from whatever "bullshit" I was communicating to my 9 year old little boy who is, so far, not an rear end in a top hat.

I don't know if this prick was Q or not but he was close enough for my taste and I hope I meet him again.

the gently caress is WRONG with these people?


Right to life protests in town this weekend is the main reason assholes have sprouted. Was it near downtown?

Blue Moonlight
Apr 28, 2005
Bitter and Sarcastic
I loving swear, y’all:

https://twitter.com/copingmaga/status/1350684274534477826?s=21

VitalSigns
Sep 3, 2011


This reads like a 4channer making fun of Q people

It's just a touch too self aware to be real

DarklyDreaming
Apr 4, 2009

Fun scary

VitalSigns posted:

This reads like a 4channer making fun of Q people

It's just a touch too self aware to be real

Yeah a real qultist would never admit that they stole the idea from a high-concept action movie, much less call it "New and experimental" since most of these Q drops subtly imply that The Deep State uses weird action movie plot hooks on an average tuesday

Argas
Jan 13, 2008
SRW Fanatic




All it takes is enough people to latch onto it and take it seriously.

Delta-Wye
Sep 29, 2005
the dumbest plotline, but has a reasonable shot at making trump's diehard supporters into a horde of rabid hogs that think biden is draining the swamp and planning to arrest pelosi any. day. now.

theyd be his loudest and most adoring fans overnight, the fact they think he is in fact trump will be irrelevant.

gay picnic defence
Oct 5, 2009


I'M CONCERNED ABOUT A NUMBER OF THINGS

Argas posted:

This is what happens when society doesn't take care of itself, essentially. Ordinarily someone could intervene before poo poo gets bad. Friends get involved, misinformation gets properly repudiated, etc. But very few of these things are being done. Many parts selfish parties in government, many parts profit-seeking companies, a few parts everyone being so worn out/down that they can barely look after themselves nevermind others.

A strong individualistic streak probably doesn't help matters if these people insist on trying to bootstrap themselves instead of accepting state aid or whatever

Rob Rockley
Feb 23, 2009



VitalSigns posted:

This reads like a 4channer making fun of Q people

It's just a touch too self aware to be real

The Face Off poster doesn’t give it away?

It’s a pretty good joke.

BiggerBoat
Sep 26, 2007

Don't you tell me my business again.

Karma Comedian posted:

Right to life protests in town this weekend is the main reason assholes have sprouted. Was it near downtown?

St. Augustine beach so about 5 miles out

JonathonSpectre
Jul 23, 2003

I replaced the Shermatar and text with this because I don't wanna see racial slurs every time you post what the fuck

Soiled Meat
I've already seen a bunch of poo poo about how Joe is actually JFK Jr. wearing "the animated mask."

I do like Trump/Biden Face/Off cinematic universe better, though. Why stop at something so mundane as surgery, though? Why not make it...

The Trump/Biden Get Out cinematic universe! Full brain swaps! Why not, it's something.

HootTheOwl
May 13, 2012

Hootin and shootin
Traitor Paces
Traitin' Places?

shoeberto
Jun 13, 2020

which way to the MACHINES?

JonathonSpectre posted:

I've already seen a bunch of poo poo about how Joe is actually JFK Jr. wearing "the animated mask."

I do like Trump/Biden Face/Off cinematic universe better, though. Why stop at something so mundane as surgery, though? Why not make it...

The Trump/Biden Get Out cinematic universe! Full brain swaps! Why not, it's something.

Greater fake melania theory makes so much sense. They were beta testing on Jill Biden.

Blue Moonlight
Apr 28, 2005
Bitter and Sarcastic

JonathonSpectre posted:

I've already seen a bunch of poo poo about how Joe is actually JFK Jr. wearing "the animated mask."

I do like Trump/Biden Face/Off cinematic universe better, though. Why stop at something so mundane as surgery, though? Why not make it...

The Trump/Biden Get Out cinematic universe! Full brain swaps! Why not, it's something.

The problem with Face/Off, both in the film and in the premise of Trump swapping on Biden’s face, is that the two people involved have different body and face types. You could maybe suspend disbelief for Travolta and Cage, but the very premise of Trump obtaining a fairy slight physique and Biden becoming a chonky boi limits believability fairy significantly.

Twelve by Pies
May 4, 2012

Again a very likpatous story
I could swear I've actually seen the "Trump's brain was implanted into Biden's body" thing presented seriously, too. Probably seriously. Who knows, Poe's Law and all.

Delta-Wye
Sep 29, 2005

Blue Moonlight posted:

The problem with Face/Off, both in the film and in the premise of Trump swapping on Biden’s face, is that the two people involved have different body and face types. You could maybe suspend disbelief for Travolta and Cage, but the very premise of Trump obtaining a fairy slight physique and Biden becoming a chonky boi limits believability fairy significantly.

everyone is gonna notice mr bidens new dumptrunk booty... but aint noone gonna say anything about it

steinrokkan
Apr 2, 2011



Soiled Meat

Nonsense, everybody knows Joe Biden is just one in a series of clones created by (corrupted) cloning of JFK jr. Trump will merely insert his brain into an abducted clone stolen from Vatican and assume Clone No. 1's position at the inauguration.

Luigi's Discount Porn Bin
Jul 19, 2000


Oven Wrangler

steinrokkan posted:

Nonsense, everybody knows Joe Biden is just one in a series of clones created by (corrupted) cloning of JFK jr. Trump will merely insert his brain into an abducted clone stolen from Vatican and assume Clone No. 1's position at the inauguration.
Trump has secretly legally changed his name to Kamala Harris so after the inauguration he will technically be the vice president. Then, the Biden/JFK Jr clone who gets sworn in as president will be immediately executed and replaced with another, making Trump-as-Harris a) the true secret president, and b) eligible for a third term of office.

Captain Duvel
Dec 14, 2009

HootTheOwl posted:

Traitor Paces
Traitin' Places?

Trader joe's

HootTheOwl
May 13, 2012

Hootin and shootin

Captain Duvel posted:

Trader joe's

Traitor Joe's

DarklyDreaming
Apr 4, 2009

Fun scary

HootTheOwl posted:

Traitor Joe's

Already taken by 7 Days to Die and thus the legal intellectual property of The Fun Pimps LLC :smith:

BiggerBoat
Sep 26, 2007

Don't you tell me my business again.

shoeberto posted:

Greater fake melania theory makes so much sense. They were beta testing on Jill Biden.

Fake Melania actually happened a couple times, didn't it? Like, wasn't there an obvious body double a few times?

Inspector Hound
Jul 14, 2003

BiggerBoat posted:

Fake Melania actually happened a couple times, didn't it? Like, wasn't there an obvious body double a few times?

It sure seemed like it, but no serious reporter would say anything other than "you people are crazy"

shoeberto
Jun 13, 2020

which way to the MACHINES?

BiggerBoat posted:

Fake Melania actually happened a couple times, didn't it? Like, wasn't there an obvious body double a few times?

I actually do think it's legit, because it's 110% on-brand for an administration that would roll out stacks of blank papers as props to explain how great their legislative agenda is. But I don't think there's much hard evidence beyond a few pictures. I'm sure it's been Zapruder'd on Twitter by now :tinfoil:

Yngwie Mangosteen
Aug 23, 2007
Also ‘hired an actress because my wife can’t stand to be around me’ is very different than ‘replaced by a clone because the real one is in gitmo’

BiggerBoat
Sep 26, 2007

Don't you tell me my business again.
Has this been posted yet? New footage from The New Yorker taking us inside the Capitol Bldg and a look at the "peaceful" protests.

It's rough to watch and it took me 3 tries because I just can't anymore with these people.

https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2021/01/17/capitol-riot-video-the-new-yorker-newsroom-vpx.cnn

Choice quotes:

"While we're here, we might as well set up a government!"

"You think you're scared of Antifa? Well guess what? America showed up!" (It sure did)

(to the police): "It aint safe for you here"

"Where the gently caress is Nancy? Where are they? Let's vote on some poo poo!"

My favorite I think was the one dude rummaging through a desk, finding some papers, skimming them and muttering "it's gotta be in ere somewhere..."

...

Ah, you know what? gently caress just watch the whole thing if you can stomach it.

VitalSigns
Sep 3, 2011

BiggerBoat posted:

My favorite I think was the one dude rummaging through a desk, finding some papers, skimming them and muttering "it's gotta be in ere somewhere..."

Nancy Pelosi: "they'll never find the real electoral map in my top right desk door!"

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

That CNN video is hilarious because the “expert” they’re interviewing says the random guys leafing through papers and taking pictures of random documents show signs of military document recovery training.

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BiggerBoat
Sep 26, 2007

Don't you tell me my business again.

VitalSigns posted:

Nancy Pelosi: "they'll never find the real electoral map in my top right desk door!"

"That's where I keep the map to the secret codes of the underground adrenochrome factories, Mwa-haha-haaaa! And I would have gotten it with it too if it weren't you meddling kids grown adults who worship abject idiocy!"

I seriously wonder what exactly those dopes were, in fact, actually looking for though. The dude skimming the papers with his index finger and being all like "aha! See? Ted Cruz was going to betray us all along! Yeah...this is big!" or whatever the gently caress. The complete seriousness of it just floored me. "uh uh....says here...uh....yeah, YEAH! This is...uh...important and stuff! Get a shot of this, Gene. Yeah., yeah....look right here, Daryl. This says they're gonna...uh...I dunno...'vote' on somethin'. Probably the smoking gun right here. We got em."

It's like someone skimming over readable documents in a video game that advance the story when all they want to do is fight more monsters and poo poo.

Watching these dipshits argue decorum over the VP chair is something else as well. I can't decide if it was funny, sad, infuriating or what but then Bison Shaman gets us there and is like "gently caress yeah! woooo!" they just all kind of cave because he is their leader. It was like something out of a WWE story line except all too real.

Mike Judge would have cut it from Idiocracy for being too over the top.

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