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Vince MechMahon posted:Also the comic book AIM outfits are already hazmat suits that just happen to look like bee keeper outfits, so what you said doesn't actually rule them being involved out. They generally don't have the good guys logo on the back, though.
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Gaz-L posted:They generally don't have the good guys logo on the back, though. I think it's probably a red herring, but it's also 100% imagery they chose because it's so loaded.
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Gaz-L posted:Why are people assuming the (e2)helicopter was a real helicopter when it seems way more logical for it to be a spy drone, which would also explain the red and gold colours, it could be tech Pepper has supplied SWORD with and Wanda recognises it subconsciously. Same with the 'beekeeper' outfit and people immediately jumping to AIM when AIM in the movies was just Guy Pearce's evil corporate goons. Way more likely just a hazmat suit being 'translated' into sitcom-land terms, especially as it has the SWORD logo on it. I think it was an actual helicopter and that's how Geraldine/Monica got into town. Then once SWORD didn't hear from her, they sent in the guy in the beekeeper suit from the sewers.
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Jan 16, 2021 21:21
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Given the commercial in Ep2 I'm 100% choosing to believe that was Swarm and nobody can stop me 
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Retro Futurist posted:Given the commercial in Ep2 I'm 100% choosing to believe that was Swarm and nobody can stop me I am 100% down with Swarm going from Nazi made of bees to evil Nazi beekeeper
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TwoPair posted:I am 100% down with Swarm going from Nazi made of bees to evil Nazi beekeeper I'm not.
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Kingtheninja posted:A neat reddit theory I saw thought The commercials were referencing traumas from Wanda's past. Starting with the stark bomb, then strucker experimenting on her and pietro with the watch. tbh I thought that was obvious enough that I wouldn't consider it a theory, but I guess we'll see
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No more Nazis, she whispered
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My initial impression was that the suit was some sort of hazmat suit specifically designed to repel the whole sitcom-zone effect going on, and the beekeeper look and the bees represented nothing so much as an attempt by the reality modification field to account for "guy in a heavy suit" and "local defenses made by the field." I don't think it's a bad guy, I think at the stage Wanda just plain doesn't want to actually know what's going on so anything that represents a threat to her perception of stability looks immediately scary and she zips it away.
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Barry Convex posted:tbh I thought that was obvious enough that I wouldn't consider it a theory, but I guess we'll see Ep 3 will probably gives us enough data points to confirm a pattern.
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site posted:No more Nazis, she whispered If loving only.
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site posted:No more Nazis, she whispered This is what the Chris Evans rumours are about, she says it, and Cap walks in from off-camera, clapping and teary eyed.
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Gaz-L posted:This is what the Chris Evans rumours are about, she says it, and Cap walks in from off-camera, clapping and teary eyed. No, Cap comes in and says "Wait, you could've done that the whole time?!"
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Retro Futurist posted:Given the commercial in Ep2 I'm 100% choosing to believe that was Swarm and nobody can stop me WandaVision classed up with a Broadway star.
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Gavok posted:WandaVision classed up with a Broadway star. Kathryn Hahn was in the 2008 Broadway run of Boeing Boeing as one of the three girlfriends alongside Gina Gershon and Mary McCormack! She was great! Sheesh!
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Are they all dating each other? I would be interested in that
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site posted:Are they all dating each other? I would be interested in that No it's a farce set in the 60s about this ne'er-do-well guy who's dating three stewardesses on non-overlapping schedules so none of them are ever in Paris at the same time. Then when faster commercial jet-planes get introduced, well... ha ha ha... he he he....!.... well you can just imagine what kind of merry mix-ups start to pile up. (It's not that great of a play)
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How Wonderful! posted:No it's a farce set in the 60s about this ne'er-do-well guy who's dating three stewardesses on non-overlapping schedules so none of them are ever in Paris at the same time. Then when faster commercial jet-planes get introduced, well... ha ha ha... he he he....!.... well you can just imagine what kind of merry mix-ups start to pile up. Before my mother retired she used to be the police reporter for a local newspaper. One of the perks of which was getting to use the occasional free theatre tickets that got sent to the paper. And as it happened, she invited me along to go see Boeing, Boeing. The cast were having fun with it and there were some funny moments mostly due to the quality of the performances, but overall I have to concur. Not really a great play.
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This could be about WandaVision https://twitter.com/GailSimone/status/1350491373019938822?s=20
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Exasperated Badger posted:In the second episode, when Wanda wins the talent contest, the way Dottie and the other ladies are acting has got some "Clap! Clap and smile for the monster so she won't wish us into the cornfield" vibes. The show does make more sense when you realise that Wanda's, to townspeople like Dottie and Vision's boss, an antagonist come to disrupt their lives and make puppets of them. There's definitely strong evidence for both "someone is doing this to Wanda" and "Wanda is doing this to herself", I think.
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CapnAndy posted:But on the other hand, Wanda doesn't instigate the "for the children" chants -- she seems to have no idea that's a thing and is gamely playing along, while the rest of the town treats it as life and death. Maybe the point of this is Billy and Tommy getting created, and whoever's doing it is just using the sitcom trappings to make Wanda comfortable with basically getting an Avengers 200 pulled on her? There's the fact that Jimmy Woo's voice on the radio calls her Wanda and not like "Agent Maximoff". I think they're going for there being pre-existing weirdness, they call in an Avenger to help and oops, trauma + weird town + magic = we're in the Dick Van Dyke Show.
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CapnAndy posted:But on the other hand, Wanda doesn't instigate the "for the children" chants -- she seems to have no idea that's a thing and is gamely playing along, while the rest of the town treats it as life and death. Maybe the point of this is Billy and Tommy getting created, and whoever's doing it is just using the sitcom trappings to make Wanda comfortable with basically getting an Avengers 200 pulled on her? I also got the feeling that the children stuff was being pushed on Wanda as some sort of subliminal suggestion. I haven’t rewatched the episodes yet but it seemed like Agnes kept bringing up kids - asking Wanda if she had them, noting Dottie could get them in the best schools, etc. My guess is Agnes is somehow manipulating Wanda to be the Twilight zone child controlling the neighborhood for her own nefarious ends.
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Jagermonster posted:I also got the feeling that the children stuff was being pushed on Wanda as some sort of subliminal suggestion. I haven’t rewatched the episodes yet but it seemed like Agnes kept bringing up kids - asking Wanda if she had them, noting Dottie could get them in the best schools, etc. My guess is Agnes is somehow manipulating Wanda to be the Twilight zone child controlling the neighborhood for her own nefarious ends. I like this, but I think it's going at it the wrong way. To me it seems Agnes is representing Wanda's desires and being the actual mouthpiece for them. In the first episode it's about making her husband happy and keeping him that way. In the second it's about the idea of having kids. These are things that Wanda wants. It might also be possible Agnes is manipulating her, but I don't see to what end that would be. So I think it's more that everyone in the town is somehow under Wanda's spell, but she's not consciously controlling them. And we've seen flickers where the people in the town are aware of it, but they're either incapable or too frightened to fight back.
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Agnes has been somewhat different from other townsfolk. When she asked Wanda a bunch of penetrating questions she also took no answer pretty happily, and she got there to ask them first, and she even offered fill in innocuous answers and suggestions (helpfully pointing out the ring thing without pushing). I think she was confirming her suspicions that Wanda has no awareness of the situation, where others don't have that luxury.
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She's also, I believe, the only character outside of the title pair (and the commercials) that we've seen in a scene by herself.
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So, Batwoman came back this week. For anyone wondering how they wrote Kate off she was on a private jet back from visiting Supergirl and the plane blows up and crashes. The only remains recovered from the crash site are one of the pilot's hands. Ryan Wilder (the new Batwoman) finds Kate's suit and puts it on in order to go after the Wonderland Gang and Alice because they were responsible for her mother's death.
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So they just used the Santa Clause method
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muscles like this! posted:So, Batwoman came back this week. For anyone wondering how they wrote Kate off she was on a private jet back from visiting Supergirl and the plane blows up and crashes. The only remains recovered from the crash site are one of the pilot's hands. Ryan Wilder (the new Batwoman) finds Kate's suit and puts it on in order to go after the Wonderland Gang and Alice because they were responsible for her mother's death. Ehh, makes sense to write her of in a spectacular way that also sorta allows her to come back in a later cameo if they/she wants too.
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Codependent Poster posted:So they just used the Santa Clause method It’s what they did to Henry Blake on MASH.
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Lurdiak posted:I still think they should've recast without acknowledging it.  But then that's what I thought about Black Panther but apparently that's not happening either so I guess I'm in the minority on this matter in general.
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Didn't they imply Kate's warlord ex from the comics did it? And it could easily be intended to give them an out for recasting as well, giving it time.
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TwoPair posted:
Boseman was a beloved icon and Ruby Rose is really, really not.
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Lurdiak posted:Boseman was a beloved icon and Ruby Rose is really, really not. Also Boseman died tragically young. Rose just quit.
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Like I feel really bad for the Ryan Wilder actress but there was absolutely no way this was going to end well after they revealed that they were outright replacing the friggin' title character of their series. Way to waste all the buildup they garnered for the character during the crossover events, an entire season setting up her relations and conflicts with characters like Alice, Mary, Jacob, and Sophie that were tied to Kate Kane very specifically, and her interesting family connection with the original Batman...all to introduce a new character that has zero history with anyone from the show or even any of the thousand Bat-adjacent DC characters. Was the production team really so brazen as to assume this would work? If I were any more cynical I'd almost think they'd already given up on the show and just didn't want to spend any royalties on an existing character. BrianWilly fucked around with this message at 02:18 on Jan 20, 2021 |
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BrianWilly posted:Like I feel really bad for the Ryan Wilder actress but there was absolutely no way this was going to end well after they revealed that they were outright replacing the friggin' title character of their series. Way to waste all the buildup they garnered for the character during the crossover events, an entire season setting up her relations and conflicts with characters like Alice, Mary, Jacob, and Sophie that were tied to Kate Kane very specifically, and her interesting family connection with the original Batman...all to introduce a new character that has zero history with anyone from the show or even any of the thousand Bat-adjacent DC characters. In fairness to the show, they were really screwed when Ruby Rose just decided to leave. I mean, there was a few things they could do. But all of them were fraught with problems. Like imagine they went with the Face/Off option with Javica Leslie.
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Just recast Kate Kane. It's as simple as that. That's why I said it would've sucked for Javicia Leslie, but it's not as if she's owed a role or anything, and everything else in your show can carry on as planned. They've even done it before with other characters in this universe. And that's why I almost suspect that they might've wanted to create their own original character just so they wouldn't have to pay royalties for a character whose creator -- Greg Rucka -- is still very much alive. They've done this sort of thing before already.
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Oh hey speaking of which, Savannah Welch has been cast as Barbara Gordon in Titans season 3. Of note is that Welch is an amputee IRL, making this one of those uncommon cases where a character with a disability is played by an actor with an actual disability.
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