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Twincityhacker
Feb 18, 2011

Nuebot posted:


There's always been a weird romanticism about artistic pursuits that seem to just kind of forget money at all, and it's not like. A super huge criticism of the people who don't realize that: but a lot of the time the art pieces hanging in galleries and are world famous aren't there because they were some deeply emotional dream aspiration by a troubled soul looking to pour their feelings onto canvas. A lot of that poo poo, especially from specific historical eras, tends to have histories that were more "X Rich guy paid for this, then a wealthy collector bought after he died. Technically we don't even own it!" and while there are certainly artists who's ambitions are to just produce the works they want to do because they love it and have something they want to say and do - and most art genuinely does express something of the artist and their ideas within: the whole high and low art thing just always feels off because of that. Someone who puts their heart and soul into their landscapes but never makes it past "dentist office" tier is just constantly dismissed, versus someone from a rich family with the right connections to get their ~outsider art~ fast tracked into the latest gallery opening.

Yeah, it sometimes feels more like a crapshoot on what is -famous- and what is ignored.

Alaois posted:

can you bloviate harder

Ow, the edge.

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Jamie Faith
Jan 13, 2020

Alaois posted:

can you bloviate harder

You know you don't have to be such an rear end in a top hat all the time, right?

Alaois
Feb 7, 2012

I'm sorry that I don't know a better word to describe writing 2 paragraphs about "what is art?" and come away with not actually saying anything

fun hater
May 24, 2009

its a neat trick, but you can only do it once

Nuebot posted:

If that's the big difference then it's a matter of success rather than intent. A lot of artists do their work because they need to eat and thus don't have the time or luxury to create grand pieces of their own pure creative drive. Some people manage to be successful one way or another - whether it's attaining a singular wealthy patron who pays them a lot for whatever they make, or specifically commissioned pieces - or simply managing to go viral more or less and becoming, or sparking, a cultural zeitgeist and winding up with their works in art galleries for more money than they could ever spend in their life (often the artist is dead when this happens.) Most artists never get lucky though and just toil away earning money while doing what they can to chip away at their dreams over their careers. Is 50 Shades of Grey "High Art" because it became internationally famous, while Master of the Universe "Low Art" because it was dumb fanfiction that might never have gone anywhere if the creator didn't get that initial push?

There's always been a weird romanticism about artistic pursuits that seem to just kind of forget money at all, and it's not like. A super huge criticism of the people who don't realize that: but a lot of the time the art pieces hanging in galleries and are world famous aren't there because they were some deeply emotional dream aspiration by a troubled soul looking to pour their feelings onto canvas. A lot of that poo poo, especially from specific historical eras, tends to have histories that were more "X Rich guy paid for this, then a wealthy collector bought after he died. Technically we don't even own it!" and while there are certainly artists who's ambitions are to just produce the works they want to do because they love it and have something they want to say and do - and most art genuinely does express something of the artist and their ideas within: the whole high and low art thing just always feels off because of that. Someone who puts their heart and soul into their landscapes but never makes it past "dentist office" tier is just constantly dismissed, versus someone from a rich family with the right connections to get their ~outsider art~ fast tracked into the latest gallery opening.

when i say "art intended to be hung in a gallery" i dont really mean explicitly "the louvre" or museums of that caliber. i mean art intended for galleries, whether that's a local coffee shop's art corner, a gallery on main street, the met or otherwise. its part of the framing of the work. i also do not think it's weird to suggest that whether or not the work succeeds is part of criticism. intent is just part of that mish-mash of things one might consider considering when approaching the work.

the means by which the metaphorical food ends up on our plate is just as important as the final meal. the sociological frameworks at play in art should be examined and critiqued as well as the art itself devoid of context.

the separation of "high" and "low" art is not a quality judgment the way im trying to use it. i really want to make that clear. i know it seems like it because thats how literally every other person on planet earth uses it but im trying to use something other than stephen king's writing metaphors to describe "art that satisfies but provides 0 sustenance".

fun hater
May 24, 2009

its a neat trick, but you can only do it once
i paid money for a worthless degree in this poo poo

ZenMasterBullshit
Nov 2, 2011

Restaurant de Nouvelles "À Table" Proudly Presents:
A Climactic Encounter Ending on 1 Negate and a Dream

Alaois posted:

I'm sorry that I don't know a better word to describe writing 2 paragraphs about "what is art?" and come away with not actually saying anything


Yeah he could learn from you and spend every post saying nothing but in shorter sentences.

Nuns with Guns
Jul 23, 2010

It's fine.
Don't worry about it.
What I'm getting from all this discussion is that art is the act of getting your hand caught in a moving bicycle chain.

fun hater
May 24, 2009

its a neat trick, but you can only do it once
tragedy is when I cut my finger. art is when you fall into an open sewer and die.

Jamie Faith
Jan 13, 2020

ZenMasterBullshit posted:

Yeah he could learn from you and spend every post saying nothing but in shorter sentences.

:drat:

Nuns with Guns
Jul 23, 2010

It's fine.
Don't worry about it.

fun hater posted:

tragedy is when I cut my finger. art is when you fall into an open sewer and die.

I believe they call that maneuver "the Stinky Ophelia"

McCloud
Oct 27, 2005

Alaois posted:

I'm sorry that I don't know a better word to describe writing 2 paragraphs about "what is art?" and come away with not actually saying anything

You could just try shutting up, you know, for novelties sake

Babysitter Super Sleuth
Apr 26, 2012

my posts are as bad the Current Releases review of Gone Girl

Alaois posted:

shakespeare's work was patroned extensively by the upper class

so was fuckin suicide squad, that's how art works

Alaois
Feb 7, 2012

Babysitter Super Sleuth posted:

so was fuckin suicide squad, that's how art works

exactly!

what i'm saying is if you want your fanfiction to be legitimate, take commissions from Monegasque royalty or Lebanese oil barons

Terrible Opinions
Oct 18, 2013



Alaois posted:

exactly!

what i'm saying is if you want your fanfiction to be legitimate, take commissions from Monegasque royalty or Lebanese oil barons
Ready Player One?

Alaois
Feb 7, 2012

every piece of fanart of Falco being huge and loving planets is art because they were all paid for by a rich Korean surgeon or some poo poo i forget the specifics of the backstory on those

fun hater
May 24, 2009

its a neat trick, but you can only do it once
yeah

Nuns with Guns
Jul 23, 2010

It's fine.
Don't worry about it.
I wonder how much money the "White Woman Buying a Cart of Wonderbread/environment-destroying" fetishist has spent on commissions and where he gets his money from?

Junpei Hyde
Mar 15, 2013




Nuns with Guns posted:

I wonder how much money the "White Woman Buying a Cart of Wonderbread/environment-destroying" fetishist has spent on commissions and where he gets his money from?

Well his spine exploded and he lost his website so who knows

Alacron
Feb 15, 2007

-->Have tearful reunion with your son
-->Eh
Fun Shoe

Junpei Hyde posted:

Well his spine exploded and he lost his website so who knows

:vince:

Jamie Faith
Jan 13, 2020

Junpei Hyde posted:

Well his spine exploded and he lost his website so who knows

StealthArcher
Jan 10, 2010




Junpei Hyde posted:

Well his spine exploded and he lost his website so who knows

Schwarzwald
Jul 27, 2004

Don't Blink

Junpei Hyde posted:

Well his spine exploded and he lost his website so who knows

Alaois
Feb 7, 2012

Junpei Hyde posted:

Well his spine exploded and he lost his website so who knows

Kaiser Mazoku
Mar 24, 2011

Didn't you see it!? Couldn't you see my "spirit"!?
Online Creators + Reviewers V: Well his spine exploded and he lost his website so who knows

nine-gear crow
Aug 10, 2013

Kaiser Mazoku posted:

Online Creators + Reviewers V: Well his spine exploded and he lost his website so who knows

Say what you will about Doug Walker, at least he never broke his spine...

CelticPredator
Oct 11, 2013
🍀👽🆚🪖🏋

nine-gear crow posted:

Say what you will about Doug Walker, at least he never broke his spine...

Hard to break what you never had in the first place

StealthArcher
Jan 10, 2010




CelticPredator posted:

Hard to break what you never had in the first place

Threads hittin 1000 tonight

Archer666
Dec 27, 2008
The Star Fox Lust Penis comic is the highest form of 21st century art. (Probably don't need to say that its nsfw if you're curious).

Ash Crimson
Apr 4, 2010

Archer666 posted:

The Star Fox Lust Penis comic is the highest form of 21st century art. (Probably don't need to say that its nsfw if you're curious).

Google it

Samovar
Jun 4, 2011

I'm 😤 not a 🦸🏻‍♂️hero...🧜🏻




Unironically, yes. Dante's Inferno sucks.

Ghostlight
Sep 25, 2009

maybe for one second you can pause; try to step into another person's perspective, and understand that a watermelon is cursing me



I legitimately don't know if you're making GBS threads on Inferno, a single portion of an epic poem that essentially formed the basis for the Italian language as we know it today, or Dante's Inferno the terrible videogame based on a Cliffs Notes Classics book.


I wanted to make a joke about there not being a good volcano movie in 30 years, but it turns out that was named Dante's Peak.

macabresca
Jan 26, 2019

I WANNA HUG

Ghostlight posted:

Anyone who says Esperanto was a complete failure needs to watch Inkubo (Incubus), a 1966 horror movie scripted entirely in Esperanto with nobody on set who could actually speak it, starring William Shatner.

lol, I stand corrected

BizarroAzrael
Apr 6, 2006

"That must weigh heavily on your soul. Let me purge it for you."

Ghostlight posted:

Anyone who says Esperanto was a complete failure needs to watch Inkubo (Incubus), a 1966 horror movie scripted entirely in Esperanto with nobody on set who could actually speak it, starring William Shatner.

Wait, doesn't Esperanto have like 300 words? And one of them is for incubus?

josh04
Oct 19, 2008


"THE FLASH IS THE REASON
TO RACE TO THE THEATRES"

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Babysitter Super Sleuth posted:

so was fuckin suicide squad, that's how art works

The difference is that Suicide Squad won the hair and makeup Oscar, while Shakespeare In Love was merely nominated.

Count Uvula
Dec 20, 2011

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BizarroAzrael posted:

Wait, doesn't Esperanto have like 300 words? And one of them is for incubus?

It has a bunch of simple prefixes/suffixes that give context, to make it easier to learn. Guessing the bo at the end there makes the word in to just the esperanto equivalent of "Incu-man"

e: Apparently it's even simpler than that and just any Esperanto noun that refers to what a person does for a living is masculine unless it ends in -ino, so the Esperanto word for succubus is inkubino.

Count Uvula fucked around with this message at 13:08 on Jan 18, 2021

Bug Squash
Mar 18, 2009

I had real literature type author Alasdair Gray come to my school and talk about how his first experience of writing was doing a fanfic to fix the ending of a fantasy book who's last chapters annoyed him so much he couldn't let it stand.

Then a classmate asked him questions about his life based on his article in Encarta 95, which turned out to completely wrong about everything in his life, leading to some real sureallist comedy.

Best guest we ever had, frankly.

Count Uvula
Dec 20, 2011

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I have no clue how I actually ended up in this thread but while I'm here are there any youtubers similar to Jenny Nicholson? I just want more options for someone funny and not too frenetic to put on while I work.

Doctor Spaceman
Jul 6, 2010

"Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."

Count Uvula posted:

I have no clue how I actually ended up in this thread but while I'm here are there any youtubers similar to Jenny Nicholson? I just want more options for someone funny and not too frenetic to put on while I work.

Sarah Z has a slightly more active tone but they've both been doing deep-dives into weird bits of internet/pop culture recently.

Nuns with Guns
Jul 23, 2010

It's fine.
Don't worry about it.

Count Uvula posted:

I have no clue how I actually ended up in this thread but while I'm here are there any youtubers similar to Jenny Nicholson? I just want more options for someone funny and not too frenetic to put on while I work.

In addition to Sarah Z, Quinton Reviews does a lot of niche dives into different topics and analyses of movies and stuff.

The Sphere Hunter has a pretty calm tone and primarily talks about past/present video games she likes.

Super Eyepatch Wolf does a mix of media stuff and has possibly the most soothing voice ever.

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Sarcopenia
May 14, 2014

Count Uvula posted:

I have no clue how I actually ended up in this thread but while I'm here are there any youtubers similar to Jenny Nicholson? I just want more options for someone funny and not too frenetic to put on while I work.
Here's a list of creators I remember as non shouty. Not all of them are very active and I think some of them have gotten a lot of their old videos taken down.
Yhara Zayd
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCzuvcjgZyyMaO6gwidRT8GA
Quinn Curio
https://www.youtube.com/c/QuinnCurio/videos
Broey Deschanel
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCl8W0iKeGjXnGYwOxV8BUOg/videos
Ladyknightthebrave
https://www.youtube.com/user/TheBatyalewbel/videos
Jose
https://www.youtube.com/c/Jos%C3%A9Tube/videos
Coldcrashpictures
https://www.youtube.com/user/coldcrashpictures
Super eyepatch wolf
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCtGoikgbxP4F3rgI9PldI9g/videos
Struccimovies
https://www.youtube.com/c/StrucciMovies/videos
Bobvids
https://www.youtube.com/c/bobvids/videos
Whats so great about that
https://www.youtube.com/c/WhatsSoGreatAboutThat/videos
Accolytes of Horror
https://www.youtube.com/c/NathansArtProject/videos
Tori Clough
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCHMtZUW4-keBy1VolIEAsmQ
Isla McTear
https://www.youtube.com/c/IslaMcTear/videos
Jack Saint
https://www.youtube.com/c/LackingSaint/videos
BREADSWORD
https://www.youtube.com/c/BREADSWORD/videos
Trope anatomy
https://www.youtube.com/c/TropeAnatomy/videos
Anomaly Documentaries
https://www.youtube.com/c/AnomalyDocumentaries/videos
Timbah.On.Toast
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC5G1ThclVYLp2YFQUodTNnA/videos
Jon Bois
https://www.youtube.com/user/jonbois/videos
Oliver Harper
https://www.youtube.com/c/OliverHarper/videos
Accented Cinema
https://www.youtube.com/c/AccentedCinema/videos
Infranaut
https://www.youtube.com/c/Infranaut/videos

Most of them aren’t humorous but Maybe you’ll find something you like.

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