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Empress Brosephine posted:Why do boomers hate renters and college kids so much jealous that their dingdongs still work
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Laterite posted:The interesting angle is that it's farmland specifically that the Gates Foundation is snarfing up. They barely crack the top 50 of private landholders overall, but most of the rest are in grazing/pasture (which is indicative of a whole other set of problems) or timberland. That is interesting. Presumably Gates is looking at the future of limited freshwater supplies and severe nutrient depletion in arable farmland and is expecting to leverage his capacity for.massive capital investment into big returns 20 years from now. That or he wants to be a literal warlord land-baron in the post-United States
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Jan 18, 2021 14:48
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Empress Brosephine posted:Why do boomers hate renters and college kids so much They're on the other side of that transaction
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Jan 18, 2021 16:48
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Empress Brosephine posted:Why do boomers hate renters and college kids so much they can either come to terms with the fact that the world is different now than it was when they were young, or they can reframe contemporary circumstances as a moral failing. Have you ever seen a boomer capable of self reflection?
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Jan 18, 2021 16:53
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What's Gate's deal anyway? I get that he's a nerd who got extremely lucky, but it seems like most I hear about him is trying to do good stuff in Africa (including 
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Jan 18, 2021 17:12
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BonHair posted:What's Gate's deal anyway? I get that he's a nerd who got extremely lucky, but it seems like most I hear about him is trying to do good stuff in Africa (including Bill Gates is a smart guy, if nothing else. And he was smart enough to realize early on that setting up interlocking "foundations" was an excellent way to protect your wealth and grow your brand. If Bill Gates wanted to give all of his money away then why does he have more now than ever?
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Jan 18, 2021 17:15
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BonHair posted:What's Gate's deal anyway? I get that he's a nerd who got extremely lucky, but it seems like most I hear about him is trying to do good stuff in Africa (including He didn't just get extremely lucky, his parents were both partners in large law firms. If you have taken common core in school your school has taken gates foundation money. Citations needed did a good episode on the concept of benevolent billionaires. https://soundcloud.com/citationsneeded/episode-45-the-not-so-benevolent-billionaire-bill-gates-and-western-media
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Jan 18, 2021 17:17
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I'm pretty sure "getting born to the right parents" counts as lucky. In fact, that's like the most important step to financial success. And also really hard to do anything about.
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Jan 18, 2021 17:22
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HashtagGirlboss posted:Have you ever seen a boomer capable of self reflection? My mom 
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Jan 18, 2021 17:30
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AnimeIsTrash posted:He didn't just get extremely lucky, his parents were both partners in large law firms. If you have taken common core in school your school has taken gates foundation money. Citations needed did a good episode on the concept of benevolent billionaires. That's a really unconvincing episode that doesn't really point to Bill Gates not being benevolent in any way. Fame Douglas has issued a correction as of 19:10 on Jan 18, 2021 |
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Jan 18, 2021 19:05
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 lmfao I hate the internet
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Jan 18, 2021 19:09
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BonHair posted:What's Gate's deal anyway? I get that he's a nerd who got extremely lucky, but it seems like most I hear about him is trying to do good stuff in Africa (including Some billionaires may be smart enough to realize that the collapse of society would be bad for them too. Not as bad as it would be for everyone else, but still unpleasant and inconvenient. Bread and circuses (and not having 18 sickly children) keeps the underclass comfy enough that they won't make trouble. Raising the floor doesn't meaningfully harm billionaires, and helps keep them safe.
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Jan 18, 2021 19:24
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Jan 18, 2021 19:49
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BonHair posted:What's Gate's deal anyway? I get that he's a nerd who got extremely lucky, but it seems like most I hear about him is trying to do good stuff in Africa (including the Gates Foundation does things that Bill Gates personally considers to be good things, in ways which Gates considers to be effective. this does not necessarily line up with the public interest. for example, the Gates Foundation is big into educational policy...but mostly in the form of pushing hard for charter schools and education privatization. this is especially true given the existence of tax deductions for charitable giving, which essentially give billionaires the power to decide what their tax dollars are spent on additionally, there is typically a lot of waste in Gates Foundation philanthropy because Bill is a capitalism true believer who prefers to spend those charity bucks on "incentives" to private business rather than donating directly to the people who need it. so his agricultural philanthropy efforts have significant ties to Monsanto, his health efforts are openly partnered with big for-profit drug companies, and so on  there's also plenty of opportunities for self-dealing - the Foundation often donates to companies its investment arm holds stock in, or companies that Microsoft is involved with in some ways. there's other less direct stuff too, like the fact that the Foundation donated $80 million to the pricey for-profit private school his kids were attending and speaking of investments, the Gates Foundation has enough invested that it makes more than it loses each year. not only that, but those investments are chosen for profitability without any regard to social or environmental impact, so the Gates Foundation is heavily invested in many of the bad things it claims to be fighting. lastly, the whole thing is an expensive public relations effort. it's no coincidence that Bill suddenly discovered the wonders of philanthropy right around the time the DoJ was lining up a high-profile trial against his company, and now he's transformed his reputation from that as a ruthless monopolist to being the good billionaire who cares for the poor. and it doesn't just benefit Bill, either. it whitewashes private businesses with less-than-stellar reputations by masking their entry into new markets under the guise of a charitable project
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Jan 18, 2021 20:11
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That's a great summary.
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Jan 18, 2021 20:13
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The Saddest Rhino posted:https://twitter.com/Zari_Wari/status/1350784688781193216?s=19 This is, astonishingly, not the weirdest most over-the-top animation about grocery stores I've ever seen. There's an incredibly dumb anime called Ben-To that I watched a couple episodes of when I was a dumb teenager. It's about customers having fist fights over half-priced premade meals in convenience stores. It's not very good, and I hate you for making me remember this.
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Jan 18, 2021 20:22
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Yes, thank you for that Main Paineframe, very informative and good post.
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Jan 18, 2021 20:24
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This is just money laundering isn't it.
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Jan 18, 2021 20:26
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hopefully they’re not selling tetracycline as i recall that’s one of the few antibiotics which goes off
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Jan 18, 2021 20:27
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Slotducks posted:This is just money laundering isn't it. That would mean those zip ties are actual art, which is giving it too much credit imo
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Jan 18, 2021 20:42
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Nonsense, zip tie fashion is about to take off with the conservative crowd. Get them now before they're gone!
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Jan 18, 2021 20:51
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Great post, thanks for explaining! I guess the short version is "regular capitalism things but not specifically hostile or malevolent". Which is pretty bad, but still better than the Kochs I guess.
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Jan 18, 2021 20:52
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you do not gotta hand it to him
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Jan 18, 2021 20:58
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Carthag Tuek posted:you do not gotta hand it to him I have some bad news for you about how capitalism works...
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Jan 18, 2021 21:22
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edit: ^^Beaten
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Jan 18, 2021 21:24
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BonHair posted:Great post, thanks for explaining! I guess the short version is "regular capitalism things but not specifically hostile or malevolent". Which is pretty bad, but still better than the Kochs I guess. basically, yeah. I think he genuinely thinks he's doing some good alongside doing all those self-interested bad things, whereas kochs are just self-interested full time
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Jan 18, 2021 21:25
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BonHair posted:Great post, thanks for explaining! I guess the short version is "regular capitalism things but not specifically hostile or malevolent". Which is pretty bad, but still better than the Kochs I guess. idk, I feel like trying to undermine public school is hostile and malevolent
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Jan 18, 2021 22:21
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indigi posted:idk, I feel like trying to undermine public school is hostile and malevolent not if you are a market fundamentalist
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Jan 18, 2021 22:24
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bedpan posted:not if you are a market fundamentalist Then your very existence is malevolent
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Jan 19, 2021 00:45
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the biggest difference between gates and the kochs is that the latter are much more seriously political
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Jan 19, 2021 00:52
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V. Illych L. posted:the biggest difference between gates and the kochs is that the latter are much more seriously political I think the gates are trying to do genuine good for others as they see it, while the kochs only care(d) about their own power or mayyybe other .001%ers This means that in principle the gateses can be convinced to do the right thing more frequently All billionaires are evil though, obviously
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Jan 19, 2021 01:32
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Fame Douglas posted:That's a really unconvincing episode that doesn't really point to Bill Gates not being benevolent in any way. citation needed, nerd
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Jan 19, 2021 01:37
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The Bloop posted:This means that in principle the gateses can be convinced to do the right thing more frequently still really lovely odds, though. you, forums poster The Bloop, are probably more likely to break Joe DiMaggio’s hitting streak than Bill Gates is to do The Right Thing
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Jan 19, 2021 01:41
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indigi posted:still really lovely odds, though. you, forums poster The Bloop, are probably more likely to break Joe DiMaggio’s hitting streak than Bill Gates is to do The Right Thing what do you mean, Bill gates has a 100% chance to die at some point
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Jan 19, 2021 01:50
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indigi posted:still really lovely odds, though. you, forums poster The Bloop, are probably more likely to break Joe DiMaggio’s hitting streak than Bill Gates is to do The Right Thing Better start hitting the 'roids I guess
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Jan 19, 2021 01:53
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please knock Mom! posted:what do you mean, Bill gates has a 100% chance to die at some point His fortune and charitable foundation will continue though, being managed even more rigidly because now it is being helmed entirely by money managers instead of mostly by money managers who have to listen to Bill.
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Jan 19, 2021 05:04
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The Bloop posted:I think the gates are trying to do genuine good for others as they see it, while the kochs only care(d) about their own power or mayyybe other .001%ers all billionaires do good as they see it, the issue is they invent new ethics to classify exactly whatever they're doing as "good"
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Plank Walker posted:all billionaires do good as they see it, the issue is they invent new ethics to classify exactly whatever they're doing as "good" Not for others though. I know it's a distinction without much of an effective difference, but many genuinely don't care about helping anyone less fortunate, even performatively Gates doesn't strike me as a sociopath just a true believer in some dumb poo poo
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