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namesake posted:Tbf that happens all over the place here, it's just that the Lib Dems basically lie on their leaflets in hilarious ways to give that impression that they should get your vote. Including gems such as: 1) Printing bar graphs on their election leaflets showing results from a constituency's local council elections to 'prove' that they're running the Conservatives a close second in the Westminster vote, when in fact Labour were the second-placed party in 2017. 2) In Rees-Mogg's constituency the Lib Dem leaflet carried a graph showing the LDs close behind the Tories. It wasn't the last GE results. It wasn't the last council election. It wasn't even a current opinion poll. It was the results of a commissioned poll where the question asked was "Who would you vote for if the only viable options were Conservative or Lib Dem?"
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And remember them running a recently ex-Tory candidate in a Labour constituency against one of the most pro-Remain MPs on the left of the party, splitting the vote and giving it to a Brexiteer Tory? Absolutely incredible stuff
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multijoe posted:And remember them running a recently ex-Tory candidate in a Labour constituency against one of the most pro-Remain MPs on the left of the party, splitting the vote and giving it to a Brexiteer Tory? Absolutely incredible stuff Was that the one where the prospective LibDem MP quit so as not to split the vote, but LibDem HQ just sent another?
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genericnick posted:Was that the one where the prospective LibDem MP quit so as not to split the vote, but LibDem HQ just sent another? I think that was actually a different constituency, but that was the Lib Dem strategy in a nutshell. We'll never know if it was explicitly a deliberate wrecking strategy, but even if it wasn't they couldn't have ran it more as one if they tried.
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multijoe posted:I think that was actually a different constituency, but that was the Lib Dem strategy in a nutshell. We'll never know if it was explicitly a deliberate wrecking strategy, but even if it wasn't they couldn't have ran it more as one if they tried. they are a different party with different aims to labour they were even primarily formed to combat corbynism iirc
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Lol I just remembered the CUKs. I'm the 4th party in a two party system. I run on electability.
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Communist Thoughts posted:they are a different party with different aims to labour Sam Gyimah wad definitely Lib Dem, though with so many worthless centrist organisations it can be hard keep up
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https://www.itv.com/news/2021-01-18/150000-british-sellers-on-amazon-and-other-online-marketplaces-hit-by-brexit-charges Bye bye red tape.
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remember when they put a tory back in charge of grenfell's constituency over one of those lies
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genericnick posted:Lol I just remembered the CUKs. "there are dozens of us! dozens!" in party form what's going on with them, did they slink back to the starmer labour now that the big bad wolf is gone
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They all lost their seats at the last election and hosed off to the consultancy jobs they were transparently aiming for. Except Mike Gapes, who seems to have genuinely believed in the whole thing and now spends his time shitposting on twitter.
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Communist Thoughts posted:he's also extremely loving dumb and oblivious. like genuinely stupid. I got the measure of JRM when he released that shitfart memo with the rules about what words you're not supposed to use. he's like a pretentious school librarian, thick as pig poo poo
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Communist Thoughts posted:its funny that the british political system has to keep creating new parties to stop Labour every time Labour tries to make things better for labour Lol, even Labour tries to stop Labour making things better for people now apparently.
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HORSE-SLAUGHTERER posted:I got the measure of JRM when he released that shitfart memo with the rules about what words you're not supposed to use. he's like a pretentious school librarian, thick as pig poo poo Also he looks like some sort of ghoul, or low level lich.
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Dravs posted:Lol, even Labour tries to stop Labour making things better for people now apparently. Half of the Labour Party are good people who genuinely want to make the world a better place. The other half wanted a career in politics but didn't have the connections to join the Tories.
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Dravs posted:Lol, even Labour tries to stop Labour making things better for people now apparently. yeah they're part of the barrier most of the time too, its only when they break ranks trying to improve life for people that other parties have to be formed to split them
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Wolfsbane posted:Half of the Labour Party are good people who genuinely want to make the world a better place. The other half wanted a career in politics but didn't have the connections to join the Tories. Unfortunately the latter half make up 90% of the MPs
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Love the new trend in the uk press of: - Take a safari to some damp, forsaken corner the cursed isle. - Find a brexiter who now watches their whole economic livelihood suffocate and die because 'I never realized international borders involved so many forms and taxes'. - Conclude with them saying they are very unhappy with this brexit and it is a terrible, no good brexit, and if given the chance to go back in time would still vote for brexit again. An entire nation of absolute pudding brained masochists. Incredible.
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Labour trying to fix that anti- https://twitter.com/TomWTheSecond/status/1351521499501498369
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https://twitter.com/scotfoodjames/status/1351491482063171588 Good new, we now have lots of space to store all our sovereignty 
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Fast Luck posted:Labour trying to fix that anti- is starmer a plant? i'm getting the distinct impression he might be a plant
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bitterandtwisted posted:https://twitter.com/scotfoodjames/status/1351491482063171588 brexit actually killing fishing in the u.k. was certainly something i didn’t entirely expect
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mortons stork posted:is starmer a plant? i'm getting the distinct impression he might be a plant no he's doing what he was elected to do dude's a part of the big atlanticist consensus that's been dominating since the end of the cold war, he is an actual trilateral commission member and crown prosecutor. he's as deep-state as they come, and has always been open about it except for a brief window when he needed to avoid mobilising the dismayed corbynites so he could get to be leader
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so i suppose you could call that 'plant' stuff, but he's been too open about his affiliations to really count as a plant imo this is a big part of the whole brexit problem - suddenly everyone on the left had to mobilise in favour of remaining in a compact clearly inimical to their stated goals, which leads to a lot of ideological confusion and eventually allows someone who just loathes everything you stand for to sneak through because he was on the 'right' side of the issue
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it is hard to overstate how precisely brexit hit the most damaging fault line of the corbynite project. i remember back when the vote happened people were thinking it'd kill off the tory party, and i was always skeptical of that, but i didn't see at the time the profound damage it would do to the last best hope for some form of political alternative in the west
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mortons stork posted:is starmer a plant? i'm getting the distinct impression he might be a plant Kieth is a plant designed to destroy my mental wellbeing and is doing an exquisite job. 10/10
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V. Illych L. posted:it is hard to overstate how precisely brexit hit the most damaging fault line of the corbynite project. i remember back when the vote happened people were thinking it'd kill off the tory party, and i was always skeptical of that, but i didn't see at the time the profound damage it would do to the last best hope for some form of political alternative in the west Yeah, I sometimes get a bit too  and wonder if the whole Brexit project was intended to blow apart the British left after Corbyn became Labour leader. Of course the timeline doesn't stack up - before 2016 UKIP was nibbling away at the Tories from the right, the referendum commitment was in the 2015 Conservative manifesto before Corbyn was in post, Corbyn winning the Labour leadership was pretty much a fluke (certainly as far as any reasonable political forecast went)...and it would require a level of foresight, long-term thinking and competence from the modern Tory party that simply doesn't exist. But you couldn't have devised a better way to hobble a resurgent social-democratic left wing Labour Party. Labour is divided between its pro-Europe urban/professional/young/immigrant/culturally progressive base and anti-Europe/provincial/blue collar/old/  /culturally conservative bases to an extent that dwarfs the pro-business/free trade and nationalism/culture war bits of the Tory party. Unless handled to perfection, Brexit was always going to strain the Labour vote. Nothing was going to make the 'old Labour' base think twice about a soc-dem platform more than appeals to patriotism, sovereignty, the Good 'Ol Days, No Immigrants and sticking two fingers up at foreigners, and nothing would repel the 'new Labour' base than the party embracing any aspect of that. It's infuriating how things just didn't quite line up for Corbyn-led Labour: 1) Great Recessions, austerity, suffering and widespread reversal of living standards create a space for genuine left-wing politics of the sort not seen since the 1970s. 2) A 1970s-style socialist wins the 2015 Labour leadership election. He's allowed into the running mostly by chance, tradition and huge hubris on the part of the Labour right and the newly altered leadership election rules. He generates a groundswell of support and enthusiasm not seen by any British party leader since...? 3) The Brexit referendum is called, and Leave wins. As said, an issue uniquely poised to cause trouble for Labour. Even the new leader is torn between his personal anti-EU beliefs and the overwhelmingly pro-EU wishes of the membership. 4) Labour steers a course of being 'pro-Brexit in theory, but anti the Brexit that we're getting so far'. A solidly left-wing manifesto in 2017 nets Labour the largest vote swing since 1945, closes a 20-point gap in the polls, sees some deep-Conservative seats turn red and removes the Conservative's narrow majority. 5) Two years of in-fighting, back- (and front-) stabbing within Labour, negativity, fearmongering and smears in the media, the antisemitism scandal and botched handling of Labour's Brexit position follow. 6) Labour settles on a Brexit position seemingly precision-engineered to piss off everyone on all sides (policy devised by one Sir Keir Starmer, QC). 7) Labour gets trounced at the 2019 election. Despite the media narrative that untold thousands of voters turned Conservative to personally register their hatred for socialism and Corbyn personally, all the following polling and research suggests that many would-be Labour voters simply didn't vote or voted Brexit Party, handing the Conservatives a large majority on a tiny increase in their actual vote. Same research also shows that the broad direction of Labour's 2019 platform, and many of the individual policies, are popular when shown in isolation. 8) The election result is taken as clear evidence that social-democracy will never win elections, and many on the Labour left fall for Starmer's progressive policy pledges and the idea that he can have the same ideas as Corbyn but without the controversial personal history. Starmer wins the leadership. 9) Weeks before Corbyn hands over to Starmer, the pandemic hits causing the biggest crisis in modern capitalism since the Wall Street Crash. The government moves to blatantly protect the economy over people. Corbyn offers a left-wing alternative. 10) Just as the pandemic is getting its grip into the UK, Starmer takes over and immediately begins meekly agreeing with the government on everything. Just as modern neoliberalism's flaws and failings are laid bare, there's no one in a prominent position to point them out and offer an alternative. Without Brexit to provide pretty much the one issue that Labour could never agree on, we'd quite possibly have a socdem Labour government now. At the very least we'd have an opposition willing and ready to stick the boot in to the whole system that's brought us to this mess and provide a progressive alternative for where we go from here. As it is we've got the shadow chancellor setting out a stall of "the Tories can't be trusted with the economy, we'll take the tough decisions and cut spending" while the Conservatives are at least having a low-key internal war between the 'Levelling Up/Britain Strong/Singapore-On-Thames' big spenders and the 'National Credit Card/Super-Austerity/Cut Taxes Cut Benefits' types. Corbyn having to leave as LOTO just as the pandemic gets rolling, and not being replaced by someone of the same stance, is the most galling to me. A real...whatever the opposite of dodging a bullet by a few thous of an inch is.
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This way they didn't have to shoot Corbyn with the extremely sudden onset of cancer gun
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https://twitter.com/BBCNewsNI/status/1351240181173641217?s=20 there will not be adequate jelly and gravy, says Poots
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https://www.politico.eu/article/1-in-3-europeans-say-us-cant-be-trusted-poll-donald-trump-joe-biden/ Eighty-one percent of Britons, 71 percent of Germans and 66 percent of the French said the U.S. system is broken. tough but fair, limeys
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Syncopated posted:https://twitter.com/BBCNewsNI/status/1351240181173641217?s=20 
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Syncopated posted:https://twitter.com/BBCNewsNI/status/1351240181173641217?s=20 How can a country so rich in eels be facing a jelly shortage?
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i say swears online posted:https://www.politico.eu/article/1-in-3-europeans-say-us-cant-be-trusted-poll-donald-trump-joe-biden/ I mean as an American I agree.
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