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Hed posted:After a few years of working fine, I got these from my FreeNAS security output yesterday. Cable, disk, or motherboard port. Those are your options. Probably your disk if you haven't been screwing around inside the case lately.
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Can you run a zpool status? You could also run a scrub to see if that drive has a lot of checksums that are off. This page has a rundown of the sort of workflow recommended for diagnosing and resolving drive failures. https://docs.joyent.com/private-cloud/troubleshooting/disk-replacement
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Check the smart stats (if Free/TrueNAS exposes them in the UI), otherwise you need to do smartctl -i ada2 in a console (or via SSH) - you may want to optionally pipe it to less by appending | less. If that doesn't show ECC or CRC errors rising (because you'll be doing the command every time you see those errors], then I would reseat the cable at both ends. If they are rising, the disk is dying and needs to be replaced.
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Thanks all! Apologies for the raw data dumps, but hopefully will be clear towards the end here:Nitrousoxide posted:Can you run a zpool status? You could also run a scrub to see if that drive has a lot of checksums that are off. I ran zpool status and got "errors: No known data errors" and the scrub repaired 0 in 0 days with 0 errors. Interestingly, the scrub happened Sunday so I must have gotten those errors during that time. code:BlankSystemDaemon posted:Check the smart stats (if Free/TrueNAS exposes them in the UI), otherwise you need to do smartctl -i ada2 in a console (or via SSH) - you may want to optionally pipe it to less by appending | less. The CRC looks fine but ECC looks bad... from January 15 code:code:code:Why does it appear to be lower in the middle date? I double checked the numbers and timestamps... is this an int32 counter roll over or something?
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Dat disk is ded. Do a forward rma with the vendor with that output. Or just say your pool failed it out.
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BlankSystemDaemon posted:Jump to FreeBSD instead 😈 Is there software for FreeBSD that adds an OK web management UI anything like Free/TrueNAS?
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Munkeymon posted:Is there software for FreeBSD that adds an OK web management UI anything like Free/TrueNAS? Long answer: Management WebUIs are why appliance OS' are called appliances - they're ones you plug in and start using, like an appliance. Also like an appliance, they're only good for one thing. FreeBSD is a general-purpose Unix-like OS, so it behaves a lot like UNIX did. Like other general-purpose OS, it gives you an editor, a compiler, and a kernel and set of libraries and utilities to build things on top of it. In addition, you also get the FreeBSD Ports framework which is a set of files which describe how FreeBSD should build and install third-party software. In addition to that, you get pre-compiled versions of those ports, called packages. This means you can customize FreeBSD to a staggering degree, and that you're only limited by your abilities. The best part is that the license allows you to do this, because the license only has two clauses: 1) You get to keep all the parts if you break it, and 2) You don't get to sue people for the damage that all the parts can do if they turn into shrapnel and ruin other stuff.
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Yeah, I've been using ZFS on Solaris 10 and now Illumos for over ten years and I'm kind of drawn to being able to save the True/FreeNAS config and restore it on new hardware over having to do a bespoke setup over SSH every dang time. Used to be I could spend a weekend janitoring a server and not mind but that's not really the case anymore and probably going to be even less true in the future. Plus it'd be nice to just open a bookmark and see system status and whatnot, too. Sure, I could learn to use one of those infrastructure as code tools with BSD and find or cobble together a status page but 
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BlankSystemDaemon posted:This means you can customize FreeBSD to a staggering degree, and that you're only limited by your abilities. Of course it's this item right here, along with the time involved, that has made Appliance setups so popular in the first place.
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Munkeymon posted:Yeah, I've been using ZFS on Solaris 10 and now Illumos for over ten years and I'm kind of drawn to being able to save the True/FreeNAS config and restore it on new hardware over having to do a bespoke setup over SSH every dang time. Used to be I could spend a weekend janitoring a server and not mind but that's not really the case anymore and probably going to be even less true in the future. Plus it'd be nice to just open a bookmark and see system status and whatnot, too. If I were a developer with the desire to add a WebUI on top of FreeBSD, I'd ensure that it could run in a jail with as little configuration as possible, and that it makes use of ZFS checkpoints, boot environments and zfsbootcfg(8). Speaking of which, the appliance OS ClonOS is designed around that idea, as it gives you a WebUI to manage bhyve or jails for virtualization, on top of ZFS - but since it's made in a modern world, it also allows you to put it in a jail on a normal FreeBSD host and just delegate a ZFS dataset to it. DrDork posted:Of course it's this item right here, along with the time
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IMO, if you want to gently caress around with BSD or LINUX or whatever, setup a NAS, like FreeNAS and a seperate hypervisor like ProxMox, use the NAS as your network drive that your hypervisor references for its storage (preferably connected with 10 GB ethernet) and then you have the best of both worlds. A super reliable NAS with an easy to restore setup, and a hypervisor that you can nuke/restore vm's as necessary. Or you could do it all in FreeNAS and use its built in VM support to do both in one box.
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A reminder for us all, make sure you have CamelCamelCamel alerts on a good range of products. For instance, on Amazon Canada, Seagate Ironwolf 8TB bare drives are CAD 259, their lowest price ever on Amazon. Shucking not required. Obviously that price is easily beaten if you do wish to shuck (10TB Seagate Expansion External for CAD$219 or 14TB of the same for CAD$299, plus CAD$185 for a 8TB WD MyBook at normal Costco Online prices).  EDIT: CAD$175 for an 8TB Seagate Barcuda Compute bare drive and CAD$266 for a 8TB WD Red bare drive (ordinary, not Red Pro) Rooted Vegetable fucked around with this message at 21:05 on Jan 19, 2021 |
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Rooted Vegetable posted:Obviously that price is easily beaten if you do wish to shuck (10TB Seagate Expansion External for CAD$219 or 14TB of the same for CAD$299[/url). I've personally been using these for a few years, unshucked, in the 8TB variety, with no failures. I ran them almost continuously for the better part of a year in my crypto mining stint with zero failures, and they'll be integrated (shucked) into my NAS when I build it in a few months. I suppose I'll know then if the S.M.A.R.T. diagnostics report any failures since I don't get access to that while unshucked.
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Less Fat Luke posted:https://diskprices.com/?locale=ca is still my goto for keeping an eye on prices. Now that's a good link to have! Thanks
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Need an NAS recommendation. Only need a two bay system to run RAID 1. Don't have a ton of stuff to store at this time. Would just like to get my media off of my personal computers and have it saved in a secure place without the risk of data loss. 4TB should be more than enough for the time. I also need to be able to stream from the NAS.
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RestingB1tchFace posted:Need an NAS recommendation. Only need a two bay system to run RAID 1. Don't have a ton of stuff to store at this time. Would just like to get my media off of my personal computers and have it saved in a secure place without the risk of data loss. 4TB should be more than enough for the time. I also need to be able to stream from the NAS. Look at Synology, especially the Play series if you need transcoding.
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RestingB1tchFace posted:Need an NAS recommendation. Only need a two bay system to run RAID 1. Don't have a ton of stuff to store at this time. Would just like to get my media off of my personal computers and have it saved in a secure place without the risk of data loss. 4TB should be more than enough for the time. I also need to be able to stream from the NAS. I grabbed a DS720+ earlier this year and it has been really good for that same purpose. Mostly because it worked for plex hardware transcoding. Last I knew, most of the play series only do hardware transcoding in the synology apps.
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It works the same way on all transcoding, just need to have the right level of Plex subscription to allow it.
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buffbus posted:I grabbed a DS720+ earlier this year and it has been really good for that same purpose. Mostly because it worked for plex hardware transcoding. Last I knew, most of the play series only do hardware transcoding in the synology apps. The 720 worth the extra for the upgraded CPU over the 220? I doubt I'd use the eSATA upgrade port. Probably if that time came way down the road....I'd buy an entirely new NAS. Maybe the SSD cache is worth the increase? I mean...it's only $100 more.
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RestingB1tchFace posted:The 720 worth the extra for the upgraded CPU over the 220? I doubt I'd use the eSATA upgrade port. Probably if that time came way down the road....I'd buy an entirely new NAS. Maybe the SSD cache is worth the increase? I mean...it's only $100 more. I have also read about the very comparable (even slightly cheaper) QNAP TS-231P3. Differences I see include 4GB of RAM (2 in the 720) built in....as well as a 2.5Gb (1Gb max on the 720) ethernet port. Can get a four bay model for a little less than the 720+. Any thoughts here?
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RestingB1tchFace posted:The 720 worth the extra for the upgraded CPU over the 220? I doubt I'd use the eSATA upgrade port. Probably if that time came way down the road....I'd buy an entirely new NAS. Maybe the SSD cache is worth the increase? I mean...it's only $100 more. I ordered the 220 first and then my wife talked me into just getting the 720+ since it would have a longer useful life. It was the difference between being able to transcode or use direct stream only in plex. It's also nice having the features of btrfs like snapshots.
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RestingB1tchFace posted:I have also read about the very comparable (even slightly cheaper) QNAP TS-231P3. Differences I see include 4GB of RAM (2 in the 720) built in....as well as a 2.5Gb (1Gb max on the 720) ethernet port. Can get a four bay model for a little less than the 720+. Any thoughts here? RAM should be easy to replace if you want (and cheap--like $30 or less). A 2.5Gb port is useless unless you're also using a router/switch that supports it (there aren't many), and have either a PC that supports it or have a use-case where it'll be serving multiple devices at once at an aggregate >1Gb speed. So honestly I wouldn't take either feature into consideration and more ask yourself do you want 4 vs 2 bays, or the ability to transcode (only really needed these days if you're streaming outside your house or to some older device that can't handle a newer codec).
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Is there a modern equivalent of the AsRock Rack C2750D4I? How about a similar case to the LIAN LI PC-Q26A? Looking to replicate my current file server, but looks like this board is even more expensive than when I bought it. https://www.newegg.com/asrock-rack-c2750d4i-intel-octa-core-avoton-c2750-processor/p/N82E16813157475R?Item=N82E16813157475R https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16811112458?Item=N82E16811112458
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Triikan posted:Is there a modern equivalent of the AsRock Rack C2750D4I? How about a similar case to the LIAN LI PC-Q26A? Looking to replicate my current file server, but looks like this board is even more expensive than when I bought it.
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buffbus posted:I ordered the 220 first and then my wife talked me into just getting the 720+ since it would have a longer useful life. It was the difference between being able to transcode or use direct stream only in plex. It's also nice having the features of btrfs like snapshots. DrDork posted:RAM should be easy to replace if you want (and cheap--like $30 or less). A 2.5Gb port is useless unless you're also using a router/switch that supports it (there aren't many), and have either a PC that supports it or have a use-case where it'll be serving multiple devices at once at an aggregate >1Gb speed. So honestly I wouldn't take either feature into consideration and more ask yourself do you want 4 vs 2 bays, or the ability to transcode (only really needed these days if you're streaming outside your house or to some older device that can't handle a newer codec). Thanks for the responses. Yeah....I thought the 2.5Gb port was basically useless to me. I would like the NAS to be able to transcode. I've had MKV files that certain devices have trouble with. Really don't need four bays at this point. The 720+ seems like it is pretty universally applauded....so I'll probably go with that.
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Yup, if that's what your use case is, I think that's a solid choice.
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DrDork posted:Yup, if that's what your use case is, I think that's a solid choice. One more quick side comparison: QNAP TS-253D Any thoughts?
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BlankSystemDaemon posted:The replacements for the Avaton Atom chips are called Denverton and should be located here, if you look for C3000-series chips. Looks like some pretty cool Denverton boards got made, but the ones with everything I want are pretty pricey. I'll have to go in a different direction.
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RestingB1tchFace posted:One more quick side comparison: QNAP TS-253D Hardware wise they're pretty similar. The QNAP comes with 2GB more RAM and can be expanded to 8GB for like $30, while the most you can put in the Synology is 6GB total (and it'll be slower). Having a PCIe slot would be interesting to me, since it means you could slap a 10Gb NIC in there or something, but might not be of any use to you depending on your network setup. You do give up the NVMe slots in exchange, if that matters at all. Overall I think you're mostly picking between software suites. Synology is well regarded, well tested, and well supported. QNAP isn't bad, but generally is regarded as a little behind Synology on that side of things. If they were the same price, I'd go with the Synology if I just wanted something that worked well and I could ignore, and I'd go with the QNAP if I had aspirations of 10Gb networking.
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DrDork posted:Hardware wise they're pretty similar. The QNAP comes with 2GB more RAM and can be expanded to 8GB for like $30, while the most you can put in the Synology is 6GB total (and it'll be slower). Having a PCIe slot would be interesting to me, since it means you could slap a 10Gb NIC in there or something, but might not be of any use to you depending on your network setup. You do give up the NVMe slots in exchange, if that matters at all. Thanks. Yeah...between the two I'm not really concerned about the spec differences. I'm just thinking that the HDMI output on the QNAP might be something I'd be able to make use of.
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Quick question for the Synology users in the thread. I put together a new Linux Mint system with a 12TB HDD to use for gaming as well as an rsync target for my Synology box. Hyperbackup can connect to the box and partially completes a backup via rsync/file copy mode but finishes as "incomplete" and gives errors about not having permissions to modify certain directories on the box running the rsync daemon. It seems like this is a permissions issue but not sure what the next step is. Guessing it's something to do with changing ownership/permissions on the rsync box? Unfortunately I don't think I can set any different flags on the Synology box to fix permissions stuff from that side.
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Triikan posted:Looks like some pretty cool Denverton boards got made, but the ones with everything I want are pretty pricey. I'll have to go in a different direction. IPMI I get; but what exactly does that board do other than have 12 *onboard* ports over *two* controllers that you need in a storage server?
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For a pure software RAID solution like FreeBSD (or derivatives) with ZFS, it makes a whole lot of sense to have a SoC that has the storage handling built in, along with QuickAssist which can offload SHA512 checksums. It makes even more sense with the new generation of these chips, which is based on Tremont and which offloads Galois finite field matrix calculations, as those are what provide RAIDz2 and RAIDz3 calculations. That means that all the compute-intense parts of ZFS aren't taking up time on the CPU. On top of that, with NFS over TLS landing in FreeBSD 13, along with kTLS and support for AES-GCM, you get the option of doing encrypted TLS over WAN at very high speeds - admittedly, this is just an informed guess, but I think you might get north of 100MBps on a very low-power platform. And since it's NFSv4.2, you get server-side copies, io_advise (priority control), application data holes (ie the client signaling to only send part of a file, instead of the whole thing), and lots of other things.
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I've historically been dismissive of Marvell controllers but Patrick seems surprisingly supportive of them. https://www.servethehome.com/buyers-guides/top-hardware-components-freenas-nas-servers/top-picks-freenas-hbas/ That said, I'm not giving them my email address to get a datasheet for an outdated controller, are we sure a Marvell controller supports QuickAssist?
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Not sure if it was in this thread but someone posted a tool for monitoring hard drive prices across a bunch of sellers, and it worked for Canada. Does this ring a bell?
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tuyop posted:Not sure if it was in this thread but someone posted a tool for monitoring hard drive prices across a bunch of sellers, and it worked for Canada. Does this ring a bell? Boomarked it from this thread: https://diskprices.com/?locale=ca
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Ika posted:Boomarked it from this thread: https://diskprices.com/?locale=ca Thanks, now I have too!
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Crunchy Black posted:I've historically been dismissive of Marvell controllers but Patrick seems surprisingly supportive of them. All he says is that the FreeNAS team made some updates for two specific Marvell controllers so that their motherboard of choice (ASRock Rack C2750D4I) would work well for their NAS-appliance deals--which makes sense, because if you can get a $5 onboard chip combo to give you 6 additional SATA ports, you're gonna save yourself a bunch of costs in not having to include a HBA in the system. Minus those two very specific chips, he straight up says don't bother with anyone other than LSI, and even those two he's just giving the benefit of the doubt over any long term observed stability / suitability.
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