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Caesar Saladin posted:comparing destiny's obtuse progression system thats been mangled by 5 expansions to the outer wilds is a very very silly comparison When i loaded up Destiny i walked about shooting aliens and having fun. When i loaded up outer wilds i felt anxious, confused, lost and ultimately so bored that i quit the game to read the Wikipedia article about "Snow" because it was more exciting. Edit: i think the game it reminds me most of is Journey - i can see what its doing that attracts other people but it bores me silly JollyBoyJohn fucked around with this message at 10:48 on Jan 20, 2021 |
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It sounds like you're playing Destiny as a single player shooter story mode. To be fair that's probably the best way to play it but it's not how the game wants you to play it. The game is an MMO were you're supposed to grind a bunch of different exp bars and season passes and currencies to unlock raids and fancy guns and etc. If you want to engage with that stuff at all it starts pulling you in 10 different directions at all times once the story ends, so if you're new you'll have no idea which activities matter and which are pointless. It's also worth mentioning that they culled a bunch of content from the base campaign with the last expansion, even if you don't own the expansion, so if you started playing now you'd get a totally disjointed story with no particular pay off rather than the "fine, I guess" tier Red War storyline from when the game launched. I have fun enough playing it for a week or two after a major expansion launches but I have no idea how people find it worth sticking with for the long haul.
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JollyBoyJohn posted:The Destiny games were pretty decent and some of the vitriol on these forums for them is unwarranted Destiny does the basics really, really well. So well that it is extremely frustrating when they make decisions that seemingly sabotage their game like deleting half the game and getting rid of gear for no other reason than to have you grind again cause the new gear is the exact same. I'd say Destiny is one of the most frustrating games I've ever played because all of the bad things about it were actual dev choices. It's not like other games that might be bad cause of incompetence, like the people who run Destiny just make terrible decisions. That makes it more frustrating than your typical bad game, cause it always feels so close to being good!
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Having a hearty lol @ the idea of a developer directly and intentionally deleting loot from player's inventory just so they can make them re-grind the exact same loot.
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Yeah I tried to basically play Destiny single player shooter style but after about 30 minutes it starts to make clear that it isn't designed for that at all, only the intro really works that way. Then it gets weird and confusing with all these obstruse online games mechanics where they want you to terminally play the same level over and over for whatever reason, there's weird events everywhere but who cares and all the sudden you're being encouraged to grind fractionally better equipment by doing the same levels and engage with all the multiplayer stuff which just doesn't interest me. Gameplay seemed fine overall, if it was mostly a single player game it could actually be good
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Jan 20, 2021 21:47
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Obtuse online mechanics and grinding is where the monetization is formed.
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destiny only has 2 mechanics: shoot thing and dunk ball. All of that is forced into the same repeatable content thats labeled differently every 3 months. Strikes were better when they weren't repeats of levels, the raids are good, and the only good new thing that was added were the 'dungeons' (shattered throne and pit of heresy). The lore can be confusing and cool at the same time until they start over explaining everything. edit: also destiny 1's cosmodrome is a good map since it had tons of connectors between each larger area. It made the map feel larger then it was and cool to explore. Destiny 2 maps are a circle and thats it. SPACE HOMOS fucked around with this message at 21:55 on Jan 20, 2021 |
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Jan 20, 2021 21:52
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Was destiny the game where someone posted screenshots of how the starter pistol was outperforming lvl500 weapons? Whichever game that was falls squarely within the "I do not trust the devs to make a ham sandwich" bucket, alongside other gems as Stellaris and so forth.
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Serephina posted:Was destiny the game where someone posted screenshots of how the starter pistol was outperforming lvl500 weapons? Whichever game that was falls squarely within the "I do not trust the devs to make a ham sandwich" bucket, alongside other gems as Stellaris and so forth. That was Bioware's Anthem
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Jan 20, 2021 21:54
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i'm going to go out on a limb and say that gun XP is dumb as gently caress. games where i shoot a gun should work like Doom 
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Jan 20, 2021 22:13
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kojima is bad at his job and any fun in his games is despite him not because of him has he ever given an interview that was about making a game fun to play or gameplay loops or anything like that? It's always about grand concepts that he thinks make him look smart and make his games worse
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Play posted:Yeah I tried to basically play Destiny single player shooter style but after about 30 minutes it starts to make clear that it isn't designed for that at all, only the intro really works that way. Then it gets weird and confusing with all these obstruse online games mechanics where they want you to terminally play the same level over and over for whatever reason, there's weird events everywhere but who cares and all the sudden you're being encouraged to grind fractionally better equipment by doing the same levels and engage with all the multiplayer stuff which just doesn't interest me. Gameplay seemed fine overall, if it was mostly a single player game it could actually be good The funny thing is that the equipment you're grinding for with a higher item level isn't even fractionally better it's exactly the same as your current equipment but with a higher "light level" stat, except ALL THE CONTENT YOU'RE GRINDING IN except like the hardest difficulty on the one weekly Nightfall mission is below the current level cap, so your light level will get get scaled downwards anyways you're grinding all those daily and weekly "collect 8 bear asses with headshots with a fire-damage wepaon" timewaster quests for new gear that doesn't t even make you stronger
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Jan 20, 2021 23:28
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feelix posted:kojima is bad at his job and any fun in his games is despite him not because of him Kojima would be better if he just reigned himself in a little during the planning phases. For example: - Introduce bi-pedal tanks that can support infantry with their high mobility - Great idea. - Give these walking tanks realistic style legs made out of synthetic muscles, thus blurring the line between machine and organic - Also a great idea. - Make them moo and poop like cows. - Whoops, one step too far.
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Vakal posted:Kojima would be better if he just reigned himself in a little during the planning phases. Disagree. He needs to take it a step farther: you can milk the tanks.
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between cyberpunk 2077 releasing in a blatantly unfinished state and IO Interactives fuckup with the importing of Hitman 1 and 2 levels in Hitman 3 theres has never been a better time to tell people who play videogames not to rush out and buy things day 1
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feelix posted:kojima is bad at his job and any fun in his games is despite him not because of him Only Kojima could come up with such groundbreaking creative writing such as - A blonde woman in a red dress singing spookily - A female lead who is the abused partner of the baddie - Smart British guy??? - Comic relief fat guy????? - gently caress Hollywood forever
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Vakal posted:Kojima would be better if he just reigned himself in a little during the planning phases. Strategic Tea posted:Only Kojima could come up with such groundbreaking creative writing such as Yeah see none of these things have anything to do with making a game that people play I get the distinct impression that he's like Elon Musk -- a megalomaniac ideas guy that has some very good peoe working in his shadow that make him look good despite himself
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its_my_birthday posted:
Did you play BFV? You'd have loved it. UO: Getting some new Zelda OoT beta dumps is more exciting than all the 2020 game releases. Flannelette fucked around with this message at 01:11 on Jan 21, 2021 |
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Can someone tell me if it's worth learning how to play Alpha Centauri? 4x is one of my favorite genres, and this game wouldn't be beyond me, but this seems really complicated and like it's going to take some time to learn.
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WILDTURKEY101 posted:Can someone tell me if it's worth learning how to play Alpha Centauri? 4x is one of my favorite genres, and this game wouldn't be beyond me, but this seems really complicated and like it's going to take some time to learn. yes longer answer: yeeeeessssssssss
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I haven't played it for a while but the last time I did its because Civ: Beyond Earth sucked poo poo and I immediately went and picked it up on gog to clense my palate. It holds up pretty drat well from my memory of that. I might fire it up again.
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Civ: Beyond Earth is a strange spinoff of the Civ series and I like it for that alone. It's like if you ever get burned out of Civ5 but want more (strange, I know) then Beyond Earth is there for you. Unpopular opinion: I hated Civ6 because the whole district feature retracts the "expand" part of 4X which is the compelling part for me.
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Beyond Earth was super disappointing because it was not different enough from regular civ to justify existing. Also all the factions were boring
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Beyond Earth has some interesting design and I like what they did with the semi-asymmetric tech development and such but the core gameplay loop just isn't that much fun and the mechanics sometimes barely work, as well as the AI being still broken. A real pity especially since it has some great ideas, like pretty much all the victory conditions require big obvious setups that basically set up a 'ATTACK THIS' signal so you actually have a reason to use all your endgame military units.
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feelix posted:Yeah see none of these things have anything to do with making a game that people play I can't claim to have any idea how things work on his teams but every Kojima game I've played has been highly fun and innovative from a gameplay perspective, in a way that I don't think you'd get if the creative lead didn't care deeply about making a fun-rear end game. Maybe he has nothing to do with that and actually spends 100% of his time coming up with skimpy female outfits and weird making GBS threads robots, but if so, then he does a good job finding competent designers and giving them the creative control to make good games.
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RPATDO_LAMD posted:The funny thing is that the equipment you're grinding for with a higher item level isn't even fractionally better whats the point of gaining levels if they just scale the enemies to your level. just make Doom, no levels ups and no scaling needed
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They should make more FPSs with cool weapons and linear story campaigns. Anyone play Resistance 3? I loved that game. The pistol let you detonate the bullets after you shot the bad guys. It was made by the Ratchet and Clank guys and they put their creativity into the weapons of that game too.
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The Resistance games are different to the Killzone games right? My friend had both on the ps3 and if i closed my eyes for 30 seconds i wouldn't notice him change the game lol
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JollyBoyJohn posted:The Resistance games are different to the Killzone games right? My friend had both on the ps3 and if i closed my eyes for 30 seconds i wouldn't notice him change the game lol They're different. Neither one was great, I think I'd give the edge to resistance because the guns were more interesting. Killzone is transplanting WWII imagery to future space war Resistance is about turning WWII into an alien invasion with weird science guns story
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The excessive fatalities is the weakest aspect of Mortal Kombat. It was cute at first due to the simple mo-cap animations but it's a relic of the 90s when everything was edgy and in-your-face. No one ever dies in that franchise either, unless they become a ghost or some poo poo. Actually I take that back, the writing is the weakest aspect of Mortal Kombat but no one ever plays MK for the story.
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Barudak posted:They're different. Neither one was great, I think I'd give the edge to resistance because the guns were more interesting. Thanks Baraduk but ill be honest this doesn't help me make a distinction. My pal had a massive bust of a soldier with a gas mask on for one of them though
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JollyBoyJohn posted:Thanks Baraduk but ill be honest this doesn't help me make a distinction. Was the soldier in black armor and eyes glowing red? If so Killzone if not Resistance. Killzone 1 is such a bad game Im still astounded sony wanted another one
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I didn't play Resistance 1 or 2 but 3 was an awesome linear level based campaign with awesome guns that was reminiscent of Half Life 2 but without the gimmick levels and with some really meaty gimmicky guns. Campaign only FPSs are great, they don't have to balance the guns into boring machine guns and SMGs and snipers and instead can have some wacky poo poo.
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JollyBoyJohn posted:between cyberpunk 2077 releasing in a blatantly unfinished state and IO Interactives fuckup with the importing of Hitman 1 and 2 levels in Hitman 3 theres has never been a better time to tell people who play videogames not to rush out and buy things day 1 The bumpy hitman 3 launch has been overblown. Importing was broken for a few hours but is now fixed (and this really only means a few of your unlocked tools/guns/costumes will be available in hitman 3 and isn't related to importing the levels). Epic/ioi have both reassured everyone that nobody who owns 1/2 on steam will have to buy them again on epic but that this will take a little longer to do. There's nothing about this stopping you from playing Hitman 3, which is excellent and constitutes another layer of polish and performance over hitman 2, unless you were really dead set on playing the first two games in the Hitman 3 engine first. poverty goat fucked around with this message at 14:53 on Jan 21, 2021 |
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Avirosb posted:The excessive fatalities is the weakest aspect of Mortal Kombat. When I was a kid I thought Mortal Kombat had the best story setup - a recurring tournament that decided the fate of universes was both epic and gave a good reason for the 1v1 battles. You could have all sorts of wrestling style grudge matches and behind the scenes drama take place. Instead only MK1 & 2 feature the actual Mortal Kombat tournament and the rest of the games just make zero sense why everyone is fighting 1v1 best out of 3 matches. It's a complete waste of a setting. In fact I'm going to say fighting games in general make way too little use of wrestling tournament style story telling in favor of generic game stories with 1v1s thrown in. And the new brutalities are better than fatalities except for the name. They should just call brutalities fatalities and get rid of the long animation fatalities at this point.
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Barudak posted:Was the soldier in black armor and eyes glowing red? If so Killzone if not Resistance. Yes definitly red eyes! I think it maybe came with a gun which you could plug the ps3 controller in or some dumb poo poo?
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poverty goat posted:The bumpy hitman 3 launch has been overblown. Importing was broken for a few hours but is now fixed (and this really only means a few of your unlocked tools/guns/costumes will be available in hitman 3 and isn't related to importing the levels). Epic/ioi have both reassured everyone that nobody who owns 1/2 on steam will have to buy them again on epic but that this will take a little longer to do. There's nothing about this stopping you from playing Hitman 3, which is excellent and constitutes another layer of polish and performance over hitman 2, unless you were really dead set on playing the first two games in the Hitman 3 engine first. I still have hitman 2 to finish so thankfully i dont have to pay full price day one just to get burned my lazy developers lol
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JollyBoyJohn posted:Yes definitly red eyes! Im pretty sure that was Killzone 2 and the statue came with a plug or something but I refuse to think anymore about a game at the time of playing it I was forgetting things about
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