UKMT January 2021 - i have no chin and i must chitterwagger

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CoolCab: Apr 17, 2005; glem

oh and the hawthorne studies, much like most of what taylor "proved", was super clearly a bunch of cherry picked and massaged bullshit. if i ever need to write on taylor again i feel like i could take a reasonable crack on making an analogy between "scientific management" and "scientific racism" - particularly comparing the strain that was running around in taylor's time.

ronya it's 330, i have the excuse of cramming for this paper, why are you up.

# ? Jan 21, 2021 04:32

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Bobby Deluxe: May 9, 2004

Josef bugman posted:

I don't know why but I just like things that change into other things.

Please, Graham might be reading.

# ? Jan 21, 2021 04:34

CoolCab: Apr 17, 2005; glem

oooh, while i'm on follet, the wikipedia page and about a hundred trillion different websites including textbooks, news articles, blog posts - genuine and credible looking sources etc attribute her with saying:

Wikipedia posted:

Mary Parker Follet defined management as "the art of getting things done through people"

or some variation thereof. give it a google, see what i mean. the only problem is as near as i can tell she loving well didn't? i can't find a single good source of her saying anything of the sort even though it is all over the internet - it's been on wikipedia for, i think like a decade or more, since i can see people complaining about it in on independent websites in 2010 although idk how to read wikipedia's weird editing history. a full decade at least of people attributing to her something that, again as near as i can tell she never said nor even implied?

just wild. makes me approach a lot of things i read more critically, for sure.

# ? Jan 21, 2021 04:44

ronya: Nov 8, 2010; I'm the normal one.

You hate ridden fucks will regret your words when you eventually grow up.

Peace.

tbf radical intellectuals in the late long 19th century are all big fans of eugenics. it was a running theme in British radicalism incl on the left. The more radical, the bigger the fan. It ran the whole spectrum from JBS Haldane's Soviet-line Marxism to Emma Goldman's anarchism

Taylor is of course pretty far from alone in a "it's me, I'm the Science of Scientific Society, the True Hard Fax derived through pure Reason" tune in that period - a certain other notable figure also did so with massive subsequent consequence throughout the 20th century... He has a big bushy beard! You may have heard of him.

# ? Jan 21, 2021 04:51

CoolCab: Apr 17, 2005; glem

ronya posted:

tbf radical intellectuals in the late long 19th century are all big fans of eugenics. it was a running theme in British radicalism incl on the left. The more radical, the bigger the fan. It ran the whole spectrum from JBS Haldane's Soviet-line Marxism to Emma Goldman's anarchism

Taylor is of course pretty far from alone in a "it's me, I'm the Science of Scientific Society, the True Hard Fax derived through pure Reason" tune in that period - a certain other notable figure also did so with massive subsequent consequence throughout the 20th century... He has a big bushy beard! You may have heard of him.

i think it would be stretching to call them contemporaries - i mean when marx published the communist manifesto taylor wouldn't be born for another eight years. i did see some period very not mad business people saying that taylor was more influential and impactful than marx, which is very amusing.

e: also please answer my question re: why you're up i'm curious

# ? Jan 21, 2021 04:56

Just Another Lurker: May 1, 2009

crispix posted:

I do hope old Joe doesn't go in the night any time soon

In NI they've brought in the army (the British army) to the hospitals, it's that much of a shitshow here already https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-55735237

There were crazy dissidents trying to shoot down a civilian helicopter last week so they're clearly bored. having army medics working in hospitals here is not without risk

You know things are lovely when they actually bring troops into the N.I. equation.

On the plus side the tories are proceeding with their plan to sell off the NHS in future trade deals, loving idiots... the NHS was the only thing worth keeping. :cry:

# ? Jan 21, 2021 04:59

ronya: Nov 8, 2010; I'm the normal one.

You hate ridden fucks will regret your words when you eventually grow up.

Peace.

I did argue a while ago in dadchat that Marxism was being sidelined the leading prophet of socialism before hilariously roaring back to the forefront, and I still stand by that analysis

ronya posted:

If the Bolsheviks had failed in 1917 - and they were arguably a train accident or two from doing so, it was a close-fought thing - Marx as an intellectual influence would have declined with it. There were other socialists and other thinkers; Marx was just another one of them. He wasn't even the most anti-establishment. The Paris Commune influences Marx but its leaders were not Marxists. When Ravachol is bombing Paris two decades later he is still not a Marxist. The leading radicals were the likes of Kropotkin and Malatesta.

In another very similar universe Lavrovism becomes the official ideology of the Russian revolution... Lavrov's followers were more numerous amongst the larger narodnik grouping.

The Afro-Asian periphery decades later draws on socialism for the combination of nationalist development and land redistribution - but neither of these are even terribly Marxist as one's choice of 19th century ideologies goes. As a reference for dismantling quasi-feudal land structures, orthodox Marx is not a terribly enlightening guide. Primitive accumulation is just a thing that happens in the distant European past, whilst there were many other socialist or nationalist thinkers at the turn of the century who did attack these topics directly

...

Marx as the official intellectual of the SPD was also nearly the reformist consigned to the dustbin of history - at the First International, the radical wing that is condemning the Marxist tendency as too reformist and too compromising and too parliamentary is Bakunin. Bakunin eventually successfully manoeuvrers the Marxists out, who flounder and collapse in relevance internationally. The SDP was then faced domestically with rapidly-evolving German politics and could not adhere to a rigid programme to juggle its slow big-tent entry into mainstream politics, be it Gotha or Erfurt, and so both were relegated to be party touchstones rather than actual intellectual documents. The appropriate analogue today is the place historically seminal white papers occupy in contemporary party politics - they may have been enormously decisive at a particular moment, but in a tactical way rather than having any lasting intellectual impact, and only history geeks geek out over it.

I mean, more people know about the Gotha Programme from Marx's attack on it than of its any continuing relevance

Marx would have, I think, gone on to occupy a role similar to the Sidney and Beatrice Webb in the UK Labour Party - influential but essentially irrelevant to all but historians - had not some exiled dissidents with very little to do except participate in domestic German intellectual quarrels then bring home a strain of German Marxism that is the opposite of reformist and compromising and parliamentary, and indeed actively embraces the rob-banks-and-assassinate-officials tendency that split the First International all those years previous

It would be this obsession with factionally refighting that intellectual debate, itself already old and tired in Germany, that would go on to give the Bolsheviks their well-known scholasticist focus on The Inerrant Truth handed down decades prior, compared to e.g. the SPD itself. For everyone else, Marx was just some guy from last generation's intraparty bickering, like declaring yourself a Bevanite/Gaitskellite (again by analogy to Labour) by the 1980s - likewise three decades afterwards (1880s to the 1910s, compared to 1950s-1980s).

if you were a radical in 1890 distilling your frenzy from, as they say, 'some academic scribbler of a few years back', Marx would not have been at the top of the list. The Manifesto - a pamphlet from 1848 - was almost completely moribund within decades ("By the middle 1860s virtually nothing Marx had written in the past was any longer in print" - Hobsbawm) - it would be Marx's hot take on the ferocious French culture war over the Commune which would give his two/three decade-old pamphlet a sexy pedigree for a while - like a left activist today re-reading Tony Benn's Alternative Economic Strategy as a liturgy for the Britain which didn't come to pass, decades after the fact - but certainly far from mandatory in being left-wing or embracing it as the bible of philosophy and strategy alike. In fact, the more left-wing and radical you are, the more you'd contemptuously regard Marxism as the ageing theoretician favoured by those who mouth words of revolution but orient all their energies around the Imperial Diet, defending always the pursuit of the minimum programme.

An observer in the late long 19th predicting Marx's irrelevance is... not unreasonable? Although yes hilarious in retrospect.

# ? Jan 21, 2021 06:18

Junior G-man: Sep 15, 2004; Wrapped in a mystery, inside an enigma

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I won't deny going slightly off last week when I realised that the UK, US, and NATO are still in Afghanistan, so some shownotes were involved. Also we talk about that hideous Guardian piece on how the left should embrace Little England:

https://twitter.com/PraxisCast/status/1352170496461254656?s=20

(if anyone has got some feedback or something on the show, we'd love to hear it!)

# ? Jan 21, 2021 09:35

Jedit: Dec 10, 2011; Proudly supporting vanilla legends 1994-2014

ronya posted:

modern management patter derives a great deal from continuous improvement,

Whoever brought Kaizen into the British workplace needs to be crucified upside down in a sewer.

# ? Jan 21, 2021 09:52

Niric: Jul 23, 2008

CoolCab posted:

e: also please answer my question re: why you're up i'm curious

Ronya has always been very reticent about answering even the vaguest of personal questions in UKMT. IIRC years ago someone made pretty a persuasive case that they likely live somewhere with onerous Internet/censorship laws (in se Asia maybe?), but I might be getting my posters mixed up here

[edit: this is purely from UKMT by the way. For all I know Ronya is poo poo posting it up in fyad and adtrw talking about how it sucks living in weston super mare or whatever]

Niric fucked around with this message at 10:09 on Jan 21, 2021

# ? Jan 21, 2021 09:59

Guavanaut: Nov 27, 2009; Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998; Toilet Rascal

ronya posted:

tbf radical intellectuals in the late long 19th century are all big fans of eugenics. it was a running theme in British radicalism incl on the left. The more radical, the bigger the fan. It ran the whole spectrum from JBS Haldane's Soviet-line Marxism to Emma Goldman's anarchism

But crucially not in the anti-Malthusian working class radicals, who viewed it as more working class population control which would be better served through coal and iron than the condom.

Bobby Deluxe posted:

Please, Graham might be reading.

As Graham Linehan awoke one morning from uneasy dreams he found himself transformed in his bed into an enormous TERF.

goddamnedtwisto posted:

TBH most Egyptian Revival buildings in London are just neoclassical ones where they've squared off the columns and done them in sandstone or brown marble, so the idea of just doing the same thing with gothic architecture isn't that weird.

I went to sleep on the burning idea that there must be something better than Classical but brown and square or endless fiddly crenelations, but I'm not sure what the answer is.

I'm fairly sure that the answer definitely isn't Streamline Moderne Tower Bridge, but that's the one that woke me up.

Jedit posted:

Whoever brought Kaizen into the British workplace needs to be crucified upside down in a sewer.

Ah, the 5S strategy.

# ? Jan 21, 2021 10:25

a pipe smoking dog: Jan 25, 2010; "haha, dogs can't smoke!"

Guavanaut posted:

I'm fairly sure that the answer definitely isn't Streamline Moderne Tower Bridge, but that's the one that woke me up.

Public loos for giants

# ? Jan 21, 2021 10:36

Miftan: Mar 31, 2012; Terry knows what he can do with his bloody chocolate orange...

Guavanaut posted:

Now do Buckingham Palace.

# ? Jan 21, 2021 10:38

Guavanaut: Nov 27, 2009; Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998; Toilet Rascal

# ? Jan 21, 2021 10:54

OwlFancier: Aug 22, 2013

And now I'm having a general lol about microsoft procgen building simulator 2020.

The one where someone set the data points wrong and it built a 2000 storey house in the middle of a town somewhere was great.

# ? Jan 21, 2021 10:56

goddamnedtwisto: Dec 31, 2004; If you ask me about the mole people in the London Underground, I WILL be forced to kill you; Fun Shoe

Guavanaut posted:

I went to sleep on the burning idea that there must be something better than Classical but brown and square or endless fiddly crenelations, but I'm not sure what the answer is.

I'm fairly sure that the answer definitely isn't Streamline Moderne Tower Bridge, but that's the one that woke me up.

Thanks I hate it.

Personally I'm a fan of the proto-Modernist style that often gets lumped in with Art Deco because it was built between the wars and was white, but Art Deco is the same "For fucks sake someone take his pencil away" greebling on that style as late-Victorian Gothic Revival was to the original Gothic buildings.

Anyway what I'm saying is I'd have been happier if Charles Holden had been allowed to design even more of London than he actually did - form follows function, but there's no reason why you can't make that form itself pretty without tacking a load of poo poo all over it. Basically architects should be forced to stick to a strict polygon count.

# ? Jan 21, 2021 11:22

Reveilled: Apr 19, 2007; Take up your rifles

I think if I was taking commissions for a building, I'd send back all the fancy artist impressions of how the architect envisions their beautiful, shiny new building looking and request a render showing how it will look in 50 years if it isn't cleaned.

# ? Jan 21, 2021 11:34

Guavanaut: Nov 27, 2009; Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998; Toilet Rascal

goddamnedtwisto posted:

form follows function, but there's no reason why you can't make that form itself pretty without tacking a load of poo poo all over it. Basically architects should be forced to stick to a strict polygon count.

Streamline Moderne itself started off as undoing most of the unnecessary poo poo that got added on to Art Deco, but then they got fully enveloped in their own farts and started making poo poo that looked like dieselpunk battleships made entirely out of Russell Hobbs retro toasters, so maybe the answer has to be a permanent revolution of architects.

e: ^^^
Brutalists: yes, that's the point.
Albert Speer: wait, you expect it to last 50 years?!

# ? Jan 21, 2021 11:35

His Divine Shadow: Aug 7, 2000; I'm not a fascist. I'm a priest. Fascists dress up in black and tell people what to do.

NoneMoreNegative posted:

Speaking of home heating, saw this ad on insta, anyone have experience with similar installed? My house boiler is auld and knackered, if I could get a �7k freebie replacement bit of kit I wouldn't be put out

Are those the kind extract heat out of the air, they're usually pretty efficient. Parents replaced their old boiler with one of those and a small wood heater that's very efficient (80%>) for extra heat.

# ? Jan 21, 2021 11:39

Sanford: Jun 30, 2007; ...and rarely post!

Last night at about 11.30 I got three calls from a withheld number and answered the third. A man (English accent) said

�Hello sir it�s [someone something] I�m sorry to disturb you so late but I need to let you know that our officer on red watch has gone SI.�

I was silent for ages and then went what and he said oh I�m sorry, do I have the wrong number? I said you definitely have and he apologised for disturbing me and went.

People in this thread know everything (people posting on this very page often seem to know everything). Anyone any idea what red watch is, or what it means to go SI?

# ? Jan 21, 2021 11:40

Reveilled: Apr 19, 2007; Take up your rifles

Sanford posted:

Last night at about 11.30 I got three calls from a withheld number and answered the third. A man (English accent) said

�Hello sir it�s [someone something] I�m sorry to disturb you so late but I need to let you know that our officer on red watch has gone SI.�

I was silent for ages and then went what and he said oh I�m sorry, do I have the wrong number? I said you definitely have and he apologised for disturbing me and went.

People in this thread know everything (people posting on this very page often seem to know everything). Anyone any idea what red watch is, or what it means to go SI?

This is a complete stab in the dark, but I know firefighters in London are split into shifts names after colours like "Red Watch", "blue watch" etc.

SI could be Serious/Severe Incident? Maybe some sort of fire that required the head of the station (that's you, now) be notified.

EDIT: Or Smoke Inhalation, like the watch officer has been hospitalised and now you need to call up one of your other officers and ask them to come in?

Reveilled fucked around with this message at 11:55 on Jan 21, 2021

# ? Jan 21, 2021 11:52

josh04: Oct 19, 2008; "THE FLASH IS THE REASON
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Loving the incredible new tactical ploy this morning by the Foreign Secretary, we're going to force the individual EU nations to negotiate with us by pretending the EU doesn't really exist.

# ? Jan 21, 2021 11:56

Jose: Jul 24, 2007; Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer

Liberals are loving obsessed with grown ups lol

https://twitter.com/IanDunt/status/1352207538142539777?s=19

# ? Jan 21, 2021 11:57

knox_harrington: Feb 18, 2011; Running no point.

His Divine Shadow posted:

Are those the kind extract heat out of the air, they're usually pretty efficient. Parents replaced their old boiler with one of those and a small wood heater that's very efficient (80%>) for extra heat.

Yeah I have a heat pump in my little holiday home :guillotine:

, it's really great and gets about 4x efficiency. Heating costs are really negligible even when it's super cold. I had to turn the settings down because it was too warm to light the fire.

https://ctc-heating.com/file-download-product/14134a1004e9dc5a76e199c6ffa56b38.pdf

It produces steady warmth rather than UK systems which are more "OK warm NOW please". If I was getting one for a home in the UK I would also try and make sure it was as well insulated and draught sealed as possible.

# ? Jan 21, 2021 11:59

ozebane: Nov 4, 2009

Going back a page or two to time and motion studies, but I used to work for a big supermarket in online deliveries out of stores. Basically, we loaded vans in a different way to OFFICIAL POLICY, just because everyone found it a little simpler to manage. When the new big cheese Head of Online came in one day on a �meet the peasants� visit, we briefly explained it to him and he seemed impressed.

Zoom forward to a few weeks later and two head office spods turned up with a video camera and filmed our guys loading vans our way, followed by THE OFFICIAL WAY. They went back upstairs for a few hours, came back down and declared that our way was slightly slower, to the tune of around 5 seconds. Stop doing it that way, follow the rules. Obviously, we ignored them because... what does it matter if the workers found it easier to manage, eh?

This was 2017.

# ? Jan 21, 2021 11:59

Bobstar: Feb 8, 2006; KartooshFace, you are not responding efficiently!

josh04 posted:

Loving the incredible new tactical ploy this morning by the Foreign Secretary, we're going to force the individual EU nations to negotiate with us by pretending the EU doesn't really exist.

17th time's a charm!

# ? Jan 21, 2021 11:59

peanut-: Feb 17, 2004; Fun Shoe

Jose posted:

Liberals are loving obsessed with grown ups lol

You get the sense that they latently believe they're running against Trump and are trying to win the American election.

# ? Jan 21, 2021 12:00

Borrovan: Aug 15, 2013; IT IS ME.
🧑‍💼
I AM THERESA MAY

Sanford posted:

Last night at about 11.30 I got three calls from a withheld number and answered the third. A man (English accent) said

�Hello sir it�s [someone something] I�m sorry to disturb you so late but I need to let you know that our officer on red watch has gone SI.�

I was silent for ages and then went what and he said oh I�m sorry, do I have the wrong number? I said you definitely have and he apologised for disturbing me and went.

People in this thread know everything (people posting on this very page often seem to know everything). Anyone any idea what red watch is, or what it means to go SI?

Redwatch used to be a fascist project doxxing left-wing activists. It's probably nothing to do with that.

# ? Jan 21, 2021 12:03

goddamnedtwisto: Dec 31, 2004; If you ask me about the mole people in the London Underground, I WILL be forced to kill you; Fun Shoe

Sanford posted:

Last night at about 11.30 I got three calls from a withheld number and answered the third. A man (English accent) said

�Hello sir it�s [someone something] I�m sorry to disturb you so late but I need to let you know that our officer on red watch has gone SI.�

I was silent for ages and then went what and he said oh I�m sorry, do I have the wrong number? I said you definitely have and he apologised for disturbing me and went.

People in this thread know everything (people posting on this very page often seem to know everything). Anyone any idea what red watch is, or what it means to go SI?

Odd. Red watch is a Fire Brigade term (not exclusively), but they wouldn't use "officer" as a singular for a watch - they use management-speak now for their ranks but even before that "officer" was for senior staff who weren't attached to a single watch.

"Gone SI" definitely sounds military but it's not ringing any bells (geddit? Watch? Bells?), but AFAIK none of the Forces use the four-watch system any more.

# ? Jan 21, 2021 12:04

communism bitch: Apr 24, 2009

Guavanaut posted:

I went to sleep on the burning idea that there must be something better than Classical

There isn't. Palladianism is the summit of human architectural achievement. I will also allow Baroque for interiors.

# ? Jan 21, 2021 12:05

Sanford: Jun 30, 2007; ...and rarely post!

Borrovan posted:

Redwatch used to be a fascist project doxxing left-wing activists. It's probably nothing to do with that.

That�s exactly where my mind went, and why I didn�t try and �play along� to find out more. I wish I knew what SI was.

# ? Jan 21, 2021 12:06

Reveilled: Apr 19, 2007; Take up your rifles

This reminds me of an experience I once had where I phoned a customer for work, dialled the wrong number, and was connected to a recorded female voice that said "Welcome to the Worldwide Network of Global Communication" in a weirdly ominous voice four times before just cutting to a dead line. That might sound very bland but I promise the voice was proper creepy.

Tried googling the phrase and the wrong number to see if I could work out what the gently caress it was, but there was literally nothing I could track down.

# ? Jan 21, 2021 12:13

Private Speech: Mar 30, 2011; I HAVE EVEN MORE WORTHLESS BEANIE BABIES IN MY COLLECTION THAN I HAVE WORTHLESS POSTS IN THE BEANIE BABY THREAD YET I STILL HAVE THE TEMERITY TO CRITICIZE OTHERS' COLLECTIONS

IF YOU SEE ME TALKING ABOUT BEANIE BABIES, PLEASE TELL ME TO

EAT. SHIT.

josh04 posted:

Loving the incredible new tactical ploy this morning by the Foreign Secretary, we're going to force the individual EU nations to negotiate with us by pretending the EU doesn't really exist.

Specifically:

UK and EU in row over bloc's diplomatic status

BBC posted:

A diplomatic row has broken out between the UK and EU over the status of the bloc's ambassador in London.

The UK is refusing to give Joao Vale de Almeida the full diplomatic status that is granted to other ambassadors.

The Foreign Office is insisting he and his officials should not have the privileges and immunities afforded to diplomats under the Vienna Convention.

It is understood not to want to set a precedent by treating an international body in the same way as a nation state.

As it stands, the ambassador would not have the chance to present his credentials to the Queen like other diplomatic heads of mission.

The British decision is in marked contrast to 142 other countries around the world where the EU has delegations and where its ambassadors are all granted the same status as diplomats representing sovereign nations.

...

One EU source said: "It seems petty. This is not about privileges, it's about principle. What does it say about the UK, about how much the British signature is worth?"

Some in the EU also fear hostile states might copy the UK and downgrade the protections granted to EU diplomats in their own countries. This could open them up to being harassed and make them easier for them to be expelled.

A European Commission spokesman said: "The UK, as a signatory to the Lisbon Treaty, is well aware of the EU's status in external relations, and was cognisant and supportive of this status while it was a member of the EU.

"The EU has 143 delegations, equivalent to diplomatic missions, around the world. Without exception, all host states have accepted to grant these delegations and their staff a status equivalent to that of diplomatic missions of states under the Vienna Convention on Diplomatic Relations, and the UK is well aware of this fact."

I have no idea what they're trying to do but it doesn't seem like a great idea.

# ? Jan 21, 2021 12:14

ThomasPaine: Feb 4, 2009; We have no compassion and we ask no compassion from you. When our turn comes, we shall not make excuses for the terror.

crispix posted:

How much bonking is equivalent to a few nights rumpy pumpy

Right wing papers like the Sun seem to have a lexicon all of their own - 'bonking', 'boffins' etc - that despite the huge sales haven't really transferred to society at large for some reason. You could probably write a thesis on why that is and where they came from, someone probably has tbh

# ? Jan 21, 2021 12:15

Z the IVth: Jan 28, 2009; The trouble with your "expendable machines"; Fun Shoe

Private Speech posted:

Specifically:

UK and EU in row over bloc's diplomatic status

I have no idea what they're trying to do but it doesn't seem like a great idea.

They'll just ha Macron ~~squeeze the UK's balls~~close the Chunnel again until the Tories capitulate.

# ? Jan 21, 2021 12:20

Jaeluni Asjil: Apr 18, 2018; Sorry I thought you were a landlord when I gave you your old avatar!

ThomasPaine posted:

Right wing papers like the Sun seem to have a lexicon all of their own - 'bonking', 'boffins' etc - that despite the huge sales haven't really transferred to society at large for some reason. You could probably write a thesis on why that is and where they came from, someone probably has tbh

"Panties".
I don't any UK-based woman at all who refers to her underthings as 'panties' - it's knickers or pants.
The word in the UK seems to be used exclusively by rightwing red tops in salacious articles of the old News Of The World "I made my excuses and left" variety.

# ? Jan 21, 2021 12:20

goddamnedtwisto: Dec 31, 2004; If you ask me about the mole people in the London Underground, I WILL be forced to kill you; Fun Shoe

ThomasPaine posted:

Right wing papers like the Sun seem to have a lexicon all of their own - 'bonking', 'boffins' etc - that despite the huge sales haven't really transferred to society at large for some reason. You could probably write a thesis on why that is and where they came from, someone probably has tbh

Eh, I've used both those words in non-ironic ways, they're just a bit archaic nowadays - it's actually a little bit of 50s language preserved in amber because journos are nothing if not creatures of habit. If forced to guess, I'd assume it started as an attempt to use informal language to differentiate themselves from the broadsheets and now you've got 25 year olds using words like "rumpus" because that's what they've been told to use.

# ? Jan 21, 2021 12:23

Angepain: Jul 13, 2012; what keeps happening to my clothes

Now don't spread this around too much because it's kind of need-to-know at the moment, but my sister's boyfriend's brother works in the military and he tells me that the Red Watch is one of the main teams involved in the ongoing food distribution project maintaining the massive lasagne in Wembley Stadium. The Red Watch is there to ensure that the sauce is created correctly, transported efficiently and treated hygienically at all stages of the process. "gone SI" is very concerning in this context - it means that the main officer in charge of overseeing sauce production has Stolen Ingredients. Why would one of our brave boys stoop so low? Is there sabotage within the ranks of the lasagne project? Will this add further delays to an already way-overdue project? People are depending on this.

# ? Jan 21, 2021 12:24