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stephenthinkpad posted:Slightly related. The US not saying anything about Modi government oppressing the Muslim in India through the CAA and actually killing numbers of Muslim in Kashmir yet calling China genocide is very hypocritical. I don't follow Kamala Harris I don't know if she has uttered a word about it. she has but her answer has consistently depended entirely on whos asking the question and why
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Jan 20, 2021 14:40
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Also the genocide in Yemen that the US is directly funding and supporting militarily, which nobody in the US knows about because our media almost never reports on it
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Jan 20, 2021 14:53
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so the PLA rocket force seems like the winner of the most chill chinese military branch https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v8VCMY7KjrI
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Jan 20, 2021 21:35
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Ferrinus posted:it literally is, in the most straightforward terms. for all its faults the chinese government is vastly more beholden to the public good than the US government is and this is illustrated clearly by its covid response Tell that to the parents of the many Chinese children who died in earthquakes cuz their schools were made out of tofu. The central government may intend to do better than the US, but they are constantly sabotaged by corrupt lower-level governments throughout the country.
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Jan 20, 2021 22:50
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Jan 20, 2021 23:05
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haha we made the world a worse place! - mike pompeo https://twitter.com/CarlZha/status/1351682898189971457
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Jan 20, 2021 23:25
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whats hot off the presses re biden foreign policy
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Jan 20, 2021 23:26
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its bad
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Jan 20, 2021 23:42
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lollontee posted:you cant both believe in a racial ethnicity and identarian ethnicity. "russian speaking ukrainians are not ethnically russian" is an insane statement. Somaen posted:no, what a bizarre position. eastern europe is ethnically complicated and the language you use at home and day to day life, the ethnicity you identify with and the nationality you have can be three different things. there are russian speaking ukrainians/belarussians/latvians who do not identify themselves as russian or have a connection to the state but use the language natively. Ardennes posted:Russian in most of the former Soviet Union is more of a lingua franca (for lack of a better comparison) than anything else and in Belarus/Eastern Ukraine it is the primary daily language even if they are separate nationalities. I hate to drag this discussion back in since the thread moved on, but I am shitposter so I'll do it anyway. How can you separate language from culture? There's a reason that Ukraine made a big push for recovering their "lost" language and alphabet. There's a reason why there's a split in the orthodox church now. The difference between Ukraine and Russia is entirely cultural and is something that has developed after Soviet Union stopped existing as an overriding cultural force in the region.
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Jan 20, 2021 23:46
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sincx posted:whataboutism much? God you're corny
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Jan 21, 2021 00:27
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fart simpson posted:did you vote? Yes. God’s candidate. Kanye. I also like how the USA is like. “Isn’t it great that we got rid of BRICs” (ignore that China now can take on USA power alone).
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Jan 21, 2021 01:27
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Lostconfused posted:I hate to drag this discussion back in since the thread moved on, but I am shitposter so I'll do it anyway. This reminds me of Hindi and Urdu, which were considered interchangeable until communalist groups started purging Persian and Sanskrit derived words respectively. The variety spoken in everyday life is still the same language. I was surprised to learn from Wikipedia that most people in Ukraine prefer to use Russian in daily life as well.
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Jan 21, 2021 01:38
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excellent talk with Michael Hudson about China and US economic development https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IquO_TcMZIQ
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Jan 21, 2021 04:38
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drat they've gotten pretty brazen https://twitter.com/izak_novak/status/1352069529053106182
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Jan 21, 2021 05:57
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Jan 21, 2021 06:08
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Mirello posted:biden's blob rear end sec of state said china is commiting genocide. I know this is ridiculous, but cant we all just loving get along. It's so obvious that all the uigher poo poo/ hong kong poo poo is just to line defense comps bottom lines. Saudi arabia opresses its citizens worse every day but the us govt cant get enough of them. literally this bitch said "trump was right about china" I remember 4 years ago everyone was calling him a racist on china. as an american living in BJ, gently caress this poo poo man
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Jan 21, 2021 06:30
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comedyblissoption posted:you know americans bloviating about chinese genocide are usually concern trolling since they do not care about the mass murder capital G Genocide in yemen which could not happen without direct US support initiated by Obama a lib coworker of mine just said over lunch “im glad biden’s guys are using the word genocide, so now the us can use that as leverage and say we will remove the tariffs if you stop the genocide” lol
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Jan 21, 2021 07:02
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https://twitter.com/NickKnudsenUS/status/1351950438900277250
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Jan 21, 2021 08:59
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mmmmm sanctions are good again! awooooo! (Wolf Warrior howl)
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Jan 21, 2021 09:05
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Luckily for Bannon he got all his gold out already
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Jan 21, 2021 09:12
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What are these sanctions even going to do? Do any of them own any property or have financial holding in China?
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Jan 21, 2021 09:58
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It's just meant to be a final "gently caress you", I'm pretty sure.
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Jan 21, 2021 10:25
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Lostconfused posted:How can you separate language from culture? There's a reason that Ukraine made a big push for recovering their "lost" language and alphabet. There's a reason why there's a split in the orthodox church now. The difference between Ukraine and Russia is entirely cultural and is something that has developed after Soviet Union stopped existing as an overriding cultural force in the region. i'm a dumbass slovenian, and for us the language is extremely central to culture in past we were under this or that german/italian empire almost 100% of the time, and i very much doubt there's any slovenians who have a clean slav lineage, so language is literally the only reason the national/ethnic identities even exist. it's an extremely powerful political tool, and gets used and abused all the time lmao
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Jan 21, 2021 11:19
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Forceholy posted:What are these sanctions even going to do? It's because US sanctioned HK government officials. Unrelated, Twitter locked the account for Chinese embassy in Washington, so US embassy's weibo account is probably going to be locked soon.
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Jan 21, 2021 12:32
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https://mobile.twitter.com/vicjkim/status/1352126702051233792 there is a very good metaphor in here for how the bureaucracy in south korea has been running under liberal control
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Jan 21, 2021 14:41
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That's a nice new avatar
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Jan 21, 2021 15:02
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comedyblissoption posted:you know americans bloviating about chinese genocide are usually concern trolling since they do not care about the mass murder capital G Genocide in yemen which could not happen without direct US support initiated by Obama Americans talking about Muslims in China is the new Americans talking about gays in the Middle East. You can't talk about how we discriminate you! Did you know there countries would actually kill you because of your identity?! So shut up and be thankful for what you get.
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Jan 21, 2021 16:18
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don't worry; biden's on the case: https://twitter.com/rickdunham/status/1352279072932552706
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Jan 21, 2021 17:08
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Truga posted:i'm a dumbass slovenian, and for us the language is extremely central to culture deffo that imho the thing with Ukraine though is that while nationalism is a force that inclines naturally to reactionary effect, it seems that the case there is that reaction itself is more important than the Ukrainian people, the culture or language. in my limited perspective and knowledge, it feels that this has more to do with reacting against the socialist value of internationalism which, at worst case, was badly upheld in many situations by the USSR, but still was upheld. It comes back to the point that a large majority in all countries involved (except Estonia and Lithuania iirc because they were exempt?) wanted the Union to continue. A cultural platform that is practical only in the sense of "opposing Russians" is not one that makes a country, particularly more so in these times
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Jan 21, 2021 17:15
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Forceholy posted:What are these sanctions even going to do? it should prevent them from getting jobs or board memberships in companies that want to do business with China
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Jan 21, 2021 17:33
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Jan 21, 2021 18:18
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genericnick posted:Let's see if the curse works in reverse. I posted this some days ago, because I mixed up the Europe and Eurasia threads, but it might actually be topical. That guy is now the chairman of Germany's conservative party, which makes him the most likely candidate to be Merkel's successor. So I guess if you're desperate for signs of Washington's decline as a hegemonic power you could read it as that (When Merkel was opposition leader she gave verbal support to the Iraq war). Of course he might also have no idea what his Twitter intern does.
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Jan 21, 2021 23:03
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Lostconfused posted:I hate to drag this discussion back in since the thread moved on, but I am shitposter so I'll do it anyway. dead gay comedy forums posted:deffo that the point being that national identity in ukraine acts as the cenre of a nationalist centre of power that claims independence from any other nearby centres, but being that nothing immediately physical ever divided ukranians from any of their neighbours before in (recent) history, the borders between ukrainians and russians are by necessity lines in sand drawn by the very nationalist centre of power. borders between identities, composed of invented and observable qualities, define the extent of power of nationalist states, and by extent the very existence and future of all nationalist projects. you create a state by defining its composing identity, resulting in a nationality. and when the empire that used to rule your area collapses, that national identity allows for the construction of a national state. and with ukraine, the post-soviet ambiguyity of ukrainian national identity is what ultimately came to head when the western empires supported the... orange flag movement? anyway, centers of gravity are defined by their orbits
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Jan 22, 2021 00:35
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This is dope.
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Jan 22, 2021 01:09
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To be clear, in Ukraine's particular case, there is a pretty clear historical cleavage between Eastern Ukraine and Western Ukraine which historically fell into the Russian/Polish orbits respectively. There isn't "just" Ukrainians since the historical experience of Ukrainian nationals is so clearly different. Also, Euromadian if anything has only highlighted these divergences further. Am example of this, despite recent changes, there is still a Ukrainian Orthodox Church that recognizes the Patriarch of Moscow that still dominates Eastern and Central Ukraine even through other factions in the West were recognized by Constantinople. It is why the effort to attack anything and everything associated with Russia has led to a further split in Russian political culture, as much of Eastern Ukraine isn't really on onboard with Bandera or being forced to speak Ukrainian in their daily lives. Not that they don't think they are Ukrainian, but their form of Ukrainian identity is just different from what is being pushed from Galicia. From a Western perspective, there is only "Russians" and "Ukrainians" but the reality is far more complicated. Zelensky himself was trying to steer a "middle course" between the two and it has mostly failed for predictable reasons (many of them material) and it is abundantly unclear what happens from here. The Pro-Russian opposition party (OPZZh) is slowly gaining at Zelensky's expense and it very well may be that the Western Ukrainian nationalists (Poroshenko/Tymoshenko) would have to ally to keep them from gaining the Rada, the problem is they absolutely hate each other and any coalition would be extremely fragile. Also, at the end of the day, it seems like the EU as a whole is less and less interested in actively tangling with Moscow and this has led to far more ambiguity. Ardennes has issued a correction as of 01:25 on Jan 22, 2021 |
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Jan 22, 2021 01:16
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Well the politically fractions in the opposite spectrum form an alliance briefly in Italy, until the far right populist leader went full Trump. Is the eastern and western Ukraine cultural split somewhat comparable to the Taiwan Benshenren (Taiwanese speakers who lived under the Japanese rule for half a century) and Waishenren (Mandarin speakers who came to Taiwan with KMT) divide? I think Taiwan slowly losing economic relevance is also comparable to Ukraine. stephenthinkpad has issued a correction as of 01:35 on Jan 22, 2021 |
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Jan 22, 2021 01:32
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stephenthinkpad posted:Well the politically fractions in the opposite spectrum form an alliance briefly in Italy, until the far right populist leader went full Trump. In Ukraine's case, almost all the nationalist factions are right-wing/far-right, their leaders though absolutely hate each other. quote:Is the eastern and western Ukraine cultural split somewhat comparable to the Taiwan Benshenren (Taiwanese speakers who lived under the Japanese rule for half a century) and Waishenren (Mandarin speakers who came to Taiwan with KMT) divide? I would say much deeper and goes back at least 500 years to when Poland-Lithuania and late Muscovy were pushing into Tatar territory and different cossack hosts were allied with either side. From that point forward, there was always a fairly strong linguistic, religious, and arguably cultural cleavage. That cleavage continued to exist after Poland was partitioned and then restored. It is arguably why Ukraine is probably going to be continually unstable since neither side can really ever fully overcome the other side. (Ukraine has had 3 revolutions in 30 years.) It is pretty much impossible to say who is the "real native" since Kievan Rus was demolished before either Poland/Muscovy had a grip in the region.
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Jan 22, 2021 01:43
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Ardennes posted:In Ukraine's case, almost all the nationalist factions are right-wing/far-right, their leaders though absolutely hate each other. a cleavage going down 500 years huh. until one tit overcomes the other, there will always be cleavage between the russian boob and the ukrainian boob. yeah the cause of violence ist that there was no cleavage before, there were only tits in moscow, and tits kiev
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Jan 22, 2021 02:06
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I am not familiar with medieval history of region, some brief searches implied that the antagonism developed when the metropol shifted to Muscovy from Kiev. That's why the derogative term for russians is still muscovite to this day. It's just a historical joke, if you wil,l that the failures of bolsheviks led to the restoration of Moscow as the capitol.
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Jan 22, 2021 02:12
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All I remember from Russian history is every event involved like 10 million people dying
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