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lilljonas posted:Well that would depend a huge lot on their situation. Are they emigrating to Sweden from a EU country and mostly looking into how to get along with the culture? Are they in a relationship (which helps a ton with visa etc)? Exchange students planning to stay? Or are they a non-EU citizen who just decided that they want to move to Sweden? It's a non-eu citizen that is considering moving to sweden, I think they've bought in to the hype of this being a bit of a utopia, and I want to make sure they're making a well-informed decision before coming here Gedt posted:Who the gently caress trusts Denmark now? And for what? Never trust a dane, i suppose
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SplitSoul posted:10.8% of Danes would vote for a party that explicitly supports ethnic cleansing and allows nazis in its ranks. That's a conservative estimate; you can't convince me that all of the people who voted for Støjberg or Frederiksen's parties would refuse to vote for nazis and ethnic cleansing on principle.
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Zulily Zoetrope posted:That's a conservative estimate; you can't convince me that all of the people who voted for Støjberg or Frederiksen's parties would refuse to vote for nazis and ethnic cleansing on principle.
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McCloud posted:It's a non-eu citizen that is considering moving to sweden, I think they've bought in to the hype of this being a bit of a utopia, and I want to make sure they're making a well-informed decision before coming here If they’re American, feel free to PM me.
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Zulily Zoetrope posted:Oh. What is even the point of stealing those? I'm pretty sure we aren't running short, considering the amount of doses we have. We are not lackning the needed syringes now, but we will eat through our current stock pretty fast when the next batch of vaccine doses are coming in. This exact scenario is also happening in all other countries that can't produce their own supply, nicely mimicing the desperate scramble for PPE from last spring.
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At least the actual ethnic cleansing party didn't get enough votes for Folketinget. I don't think Nye Borgerlige are explicitly in favour, but I might just have missed it.
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Gedt posted:Who the gently caress trusts Denmark now? And for what? Apparently some Swedish businesses regularly import medical supplies via Denmark (because they're cheaper in Denmark), then quietly export them to Sweden. Also apparently the Danish government was reviewing supplies of medical consumables and found they had a lot less than they expected, partly due to people exporting them to other countries. So Swedes trying to dodge high Swedish prices results in Denmark blocking re-exportation of exactly these medical supplies, to Sweden. 
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Zulily Zoetrope posted:That's a conservative estimate; you can't convince me that all of the people who voted for Støjberg or Frederiksen's parties would refuse to vote for nazis and ethnic cleansing on principle. Well sure, like a fourth of the population favours expelling all Muslims, but I'm talking about the kind of nazis that'd proudly display a swastika, not simply far-right "ethno-nationalists" or whatever term is in vogue now. At this rate they'll be the largest in their bloc before next year.
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McCloud posted:It's a non-eu citizen that is considering moving to sweden, I think they've bought in to the hype of this being a bit of a utopia, and I want to make sure they're making a well-informed decision before coming here I'm born in Sweden, lived in the US 15 years, moved back here 2010 with American wife. Feel free to PM me if I can help.
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Well Denmark, I owe you an apology. https://www.aftonbladet.se/nyheter/a/vA33yV/dansken-erkanner-bluff-om-sprutorna-vi-lagger-oss-platt That said, these particular Danes pulled a dick move.
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Easier to lie and blame the government rather than admit you hosed up lol
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A Buttery Pastry posted:Fake news. 
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https://www.expressen.se/kvallsposten/kommun-forbjuder-munskydd-i-skolan/ What the gently caress is wrong with Sweden. Banning facemasks in school? What the gently caress for?
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fnox posted:https://www.expressen.se/kvallsposten/kommun-forbjuder-munskydd-i-skolan/
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A Buttery Pastry posted:Someone should stop the export of syringes and other medical supplies to Sweden until it has proven that it's gonna take the pandemic seriously. We can't keep throwing good resources after bad. Hey buddy gently caress you I haven’t seen my family in over a loving year, adhere to the WHO guidelines including face masks as best as I can and gently caress, there are many here that are going above and beyond to try and hinder the spread of this, despite the government seemingly throwing gas on a fire. There are some stuck here loving trying.
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I don't understand. What's really happening here? Why is Sweden completely deluded in its pandemic strategy? It's obviously not worked thus far, why are they doubling down on bad ideas?
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I mean we could compare ourselves with denmark and norway and by that measure its catastrophic. So its easier to compare ourselves with the rest of Europe and then things are just decidedly average here on par with the Netherlands or Austria or France, worse than Germany, better than Switzerland and Belgium and UK. And so there is likely no rush from those in charge to change course, now of all times. e: refering to these numbers https://www.ft.com/content/a2901ce8-5eb7-4633-b89c-cbdf5b386938 Threadkiller Dog fucked around with this message at 14:59 on Jan 23, 2021 |
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fnox posted:https://www.expressen.se/kvallsposten/kommun-forbjuder-munskydd-i-skolan/ This is one municipality out of +250 and everyone is calling them idiots and their banning of masks will likely go to court because it is actually illegal as implemented. I think it is just a local idiot politician.
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Threadkiller Dog posted:I mean we could compare ourselves with denmark and norway and by that measure its catastrophic. Of course, this is nowhere near a good reason to keep up these horribly failed tactics, but at least now we know *why* the Swedish government are clinging to them. "I know a bunch of people are dying, but look at these other countries failing just as hard as we do" 
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Sankta Lucia posted:Of course, this is nowhere near a good reason to keep up these horribly failed tactics, but at least now we know *why* the Swedish government are clinging to them. "I know a bunch of people are dying, but look at these other countries failing just as hard as we do" And you are lynching negroes as public health policy.
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teen witch posted:I haven’t seen my family in over a loving year, adhere to the WHO guidelines including face masks as best as I can and gently caress, there are many here that are going above and beyond to try and hinder the spread of this, despite the government seemingly throwing gas on a fire. There are some stuck here loving trying.  Zudgemud posted:This is one municipality out of +250 and everyone is calling them idiots and their banning of masks will likely go to court because it is actually illegal as implemented. I think it is just a local idiot politician.
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BlankSystemDaemon posted:Of course it's just one idiot, but it's marginally better to laugh at idiot politicians than it is to cry about everything - because from where I'm sitting, there doesn't appear to be much choice outside of those two options. Synthesis: 
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SplitSoul posted:Synthesis: 
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https://www.dn.se/debatt/det-ar-inte-strategin-som-forklarar-svenska-dodstalen/quote:Infektionsprofessorn Anders Björkman: Beläggen är svaga för att den svenska covidbekämpningen varit misslyckad. tl;dr: quite unsurprisingly most heavy lockdown stuff is mostly ineffective and there is no real correlation that says heavy restrictions => less spread. masks don't work nearly as well as people claim they do either and cannot be used as a substitute for isolation/social distancing (that's not an argument against using them, just an argument against using them to do things you wouldn't do without a mask). I'd assume full contact tracing of every single case could be effective but very few countries are even capable of doing that. basically, getting unlucky with very early spread reduces the effectiveness of all subsequent restrictions. also, sweden just closed the border for entries from norway. no, not the other way around. TheFluff fucked around with this message at 20:38 on Jan 23, 2021 |
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What is he talking about when it comes to Norwegian lunchbreaks? Why would a Norwegian be more likely to eat alone than a Swede?
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quote:Och munskydd verkar inte ha minskat andra vågen. I USA som har haft munskydd som huvudtema har flera stater haft de globalt sett värsta epidemierna. lol I invite him to come over here and see how much of a huvudtema masks are in the US
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Cynic Jester posted:What is he talking about when it comes to Norwegian lunchbreaks? Why would a Norwegian be more likely to eat alone than a Swede? Like he said, different norms around what constitutes a normal lunch and breaks.
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Cynic Jester posted:What is he talking about when it comes to Norwegian lunchbreaks? Why would a Norwegian be more likely to eat alone than a Swede? Swedes are like rats, crawling over each other for scraps at the table. Also, I understood it as norwegian lunch breaks being more at one's convenience while in Sweden it is more set times for everyone? Don't know how true that is though, in my own experience it's mostly just manufacturing and construction where common lunch breaks are really fixed.
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david_a posted:lol I invite him to come over here and see how much of a huvudtema masks are in the US I'm also wondering about the contention that Sweden's R0 was more than twice that of Norway's, and that testing had no effect. The first three weeks after either country hit 30 cases/day, the two were basically parallel in terms of the spread of the disease. THEN Norway ramped up testing, and positive rates fell alongside cases, presumably because catching infected allowed them to stop further spread. You see the same pattern in Denmark and Finland. I guess we were all just hiding in our secluded mountain cabins while the Swedes had their traditional work snogging sessions.
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A Buttery Pastry posted:the Swedes had their traditional work snogging sessions.
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BlankSystemDaemon posted:Ah yes, Swedes are well-known for the romantic nature like French and Russian people. Well, there sure is a lot more of them than us!
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This guy can gently caress off. Folkhälsomyndigheten deserves any and all the poo poo they've been getting because they've been wrong, and they've been doubling down on wrong measures that are empirically wrong, and are clearly there for economic reasons. They said earlier children can't spread the virus, they said that you're no longer infectious after 2 days of not showing symptoms, they said that at the beginning of the pandemic, where the R0 is supposed to come from. Besides, this poo poo with the masks, they obviously know masks work otherwise they wouldn't recommend it for people travelling using public transport on rush hours. The logic there being, you can't avoid not keeping distance, and you also don't have good enough air circulation. Why would that not apply to, say, going to the mall, or the store, or a public building? How about the workplace? What could possibly be different then? If they didn't go through these absurds logical leaps just to try and be different, we'd be in far better shape, maybe closer to our neighbors. But the reason why we're not doing how Norway or Denmark are doing, is because we're not loving following the same procedures.
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Another "men in black" demonstration in copenhagen. I don't know what's worse; their idiotic name or their moronic purpose. Jfc.
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Cynic Jester posted:What is he talking about when it comes to Norwegian lunchbreaks? Why would a Norwegian be more likely to eat alone than a Swede? Don’t norbaggar just eat a sandwich for lunch? I guess that means more people eat alone and/or at their desks. No heating requirements means less crowding around microwaves and stuff, and less restaurant visits
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Revelation 2-13 posted:Another "men in black" demonstration in copenhagen. I don't know what's worse; their idiotic name or their moronic purpose. Jfc.  I, uh, do hope that's a doll.
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zokie posted:Don’t norbaggar just eat a sandwich for lunch? I guess that means more people eat alone and/or at their desks. No heating requirements means less crowding around microwaves and stuff, and less restaurant visits The vast majority of places I've worked require you to eat your lunch in the breakroom. With other people.
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Revelation 2-13 posted:Another "men in black" demonstration in copenhagen. I don't know what's worse; their idiotic name or their moronic purpose. Jfc. I wonder how that'll work, once they realize that their beliefs are mutually exclusive, and then that everyone elses beliefs are dumb.
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TheFluff posted:https://www.dn.se/debatt/det-ar-inte-strategin-som-forklarar-svenska-dodstalen/ Eh, we all saw that there were clear differences in national policy for the crisis response last spring. By his argumentation it was the early response that set the difference in number of deaths and by that logic Sweden clearly stood out and as were later as shown in Uppdrag Granskning. FHM hosed up in the start and those mistakes made it worse in the autumn and winter despite FHM thinking it wouldn’t or that high early deaths would make the autumn better. Although I agree that heavy lockdown especially of schools was not particularly effective. For me, the number of deaths is the clearest measurement of failure ( in the same way of number of deaths is a measure of violence in society) and by that measure Sweden did horribly worse than other Scandinavian countries which are not significantly socially different from each other. 10x the deaths not being a failure is some ghoulish poo poo. One could also argue that his investigation is an abject failure since it fails to dissect why Sweden’s neighbours did significantly better. He is more or less saying it was random chance that Sweden got hit worse. Cardiac fucked around with this message at 06:59 on Jan 24, 2021 |
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