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I actually think Net+ is a decent cert if you have no experience with networking. Much better than A+. I've never taken Sec+ but I know it's not well-regarded, though it is apparently required for any DOD-adjacent gig.
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Certs are what helped launch me out of help desk and definitely furthered my career. But no one is going to drop everything and give you a six figure job just because you got your CCNA or something. So they'll help you advance some, maybe open up some more opportunities but you still have to do the work to learn and progress in whatever field you enter.
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guppy posted:I actually think Net+ is a decent cert if you have no experience with networking. Much better than A+. I've never taken Sec+ but I know it's not well-regarded, though it is apparently required for any DOD-adjacent gig. Yeah I agree with this. Understanding networking is a fundamental skill that too many people are bad at. The cert might not get you incredibly far, but the skillset sure as hell will. Ime, it’s a faster progressing and more interesting experience vs staying in the Windows landscape the whole time.
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Working on certs is a nice signal to hiring managers - not just that you're trained in networking or security or system administration or whatever, but that you're the sort of person who cares enough out their professional development and is motivated enough to improve themself as an employee to go out and get certificates. They aren't a substitute for work experience, but they are proof that you are someone interested in doing more than the bare minimum required to get by and keep a job. Consider what a hiring manger sees when he looks at two resumes - A: A+, 24 months on a help desk B: A+, 18 months on a help desk, CCNA, MCSA, working on RHCSA Sight unseen, person B comes across as the sort of person who is serious about learning and improving their IT skills (and organized and task-oriented enough to jump through all the hoops necessary to earn those certifications) and might be worth consideration for being tracked to supervisor status or even management. Dudes with their A+ and some time as an L1 help desk tech are a dime a dozen. Dudes who have that and a track record of seeking out and passing higher-level certifications are not, and good hiring managers notice them.
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As far as I can tell work experience and nepotism are probably the two most crucial factors in getting to an interview for outside of helpdesk. Outside of that, get certs/degrees until someone takes pity on ya. edit: guppy posted:I actually think Net+ is a decent cert if you have no experience with networking. Much better than A+. I've never taken Sec+ but I know it's not well-regarded, though it is apparently required for any DOD-adjacent gig. I think certs are widely panned in general, because being able to retain useless trivia for the span of about 3 hours doesn't equal aptitude to solve problems in a domain. For my money I think the OSCP is the only cert I've heard about that gives me pause if I heard someone got it. That and that really rare cisco cert that only like ten people have. Not sure about the Net+ in general, but the Sec+ tested on some pretty arbitrary stuff that very few people are gonna be able to bark on command and fewer still will have any cause to need it. Defenestrategy fucked around with this message at 22:43 on Jan 21, 2021 |
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The Cisco certs have lab questions which are ~not really about memorization and IIRC it's impossible to pass if you score perfectly but fail every lab. The RHCSA is similarly a lab-only exam, so it holds some weight in that regard. They're worth pursuing, but in general I would rather see a single "deeper" cert (CCNA, MCSA, RHCSA) than a wide, but shallow, array of certs (Sec+, Net+, A+). 12 rats tied together fucked around with this message at 22:59 on Jan 21, 2021 |
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12 rats tied together posted:The Cisco certs have lab questions which are ~not really about memorization and IIRC it's impossible to pass if you score perfectly but fail every lab. The RHCSA is similarly a lab-only exam, so it holds some weight in that regard. My memory may be failing me because it was like 6 years ago now but, my CCNA had "Lab" questions, in the sense that it had a series of questions that build on each other, so one wrong answer leads to another and another. That is why it's impossible to pass if you fail the "lab" parts, it just ends up as too many wrong answers on a test that requires a really high % to pass (800-850 out of 1000 total points, which on a small test means only a few wrong) I feel like people are more impressed with my CCNA (in route switch) out of all my certs because it's generally considered to be a difficult test. Which is always funny to me because everything about the CCNA was extremely dated when I took it minus the things that generally don't change about IPv4 networking. I mean I had Frame Relay questions on mine. TheFace fucked around with this message at 23:27 on Jan 21, 2021 |
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Yeah I think we took the same CCNA (2013 for me) and I've experienced a similar effect -- one of my labs was a virtual terminal where I had to fix a config issue for RIP, fortunately I think I avoided any actual frame relay configuration and just had to answer some trivia questions about it instead. A lot of questions were the same network diagram 5 times, maybe with a minor change each time, and yeah you would absolutely get every followup wrong after one mistake. I think it's a good test, in that way, and it definitely felt like I was just going through the published test criteria and demonstrating understanding of each item, even if some of the items on it were absolutely useless.  I understand that newer CCNAs no longer include RIP and frame relay and instead include some basic BGP which is a great call on Cisco's part.
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Jan 21, 2021 23:36
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Biowarfare posted:I had a VM that originated from a Russian company that was set to English after-the-fact, but Russian was still partial display language. Like the "logging in" spinner after lockscreen was in Russian, the titles in the pins like "Recently added" were Russian, but everything else was in English Yes, Windows is unbelievably bad at languages, but in this case it was installed from a German image, with English added later. There has never been a Russian on this machine, and it reported its version properly when it was running 1809, but now with 1909 it went Russian on us. Just baffling.
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Jan 22, 2021 00:03
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Japanese Dating Sim posted:I got passed over for an internal promotion from my current role (tier-3 service desk with a lot of SCCM work - setting up and deploying app packages, basic reports, PXE OSD task sequences, etc) for a Systems Administrator I role for an external candidate. Thought I had a good shot, but alas. So since I posted this (12/29/20): - The person they supposedly picked has not started. - The VMWare to Nutanix refresh project appears to have begun. - I have been the key person in resolving something I don't feel comfortable talking about, but suffice it to say, REALLY seems like a job for a sysadmin. - Have just been asked to be in a meeting with a sysadmin, the sysadmin team supervisor, and the section manager (so the two people who chose this non-existent person to fill the role over me) to "brainstorm" the project for deploying the feature update for Windows 10 that they're transitioning to. The last one really made me livid. The make-up of that group, and how obviously someone with my job title stands out given who else is in it, was really the perfect cap on a week that has been very irritating (end of the loving Trump administration aside).
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You’re looking for a new opportunity right?
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They passed you up for that work. gently caress them, they just don't want to pay you more.
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skipdogg posted:You’re looking for a new opportunity right? Short answer, yes. Long answer, I'm sure it'll take a while, and there's plenty of other aspects to my job that I like, so I'm not in that big of a rush, ranting aside. I am 95% WFH lately and it doesn't seem like most of the places around here offer the same. That alone is worth a significant amount of money to me. Japanese Dating Sim fucked around with this message at 00:55 on Jan 22, 2021 |
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FWIW, I have an A+, Net+, and a CCNA, and several years of networking-specific experience. I can't say how a given employer will interpret any given certification, I can only tell you that I studied for and passed Network+ when I didn't have much industry experience and I thought it was valuable. Not specifically whether you passed the test or not, just that the information you're expected to know for it is useful, which is not something I can say about the A+. As I mentioned, I can't speak to the Sec+ except by reputation, because I haven't taken it. As far as whether I'd rather see A+/Net+/Sec+ vs CCNA/MCSA/RHCSA, I see that as a false dichotomy. Of course a candidate with one of the latter certifications is going to be a more attractive candidate. Those certifications are much harder and much more involved. But for that exact reason, I would expect to see them on the resumes of people at different stages of their careers. I don't expect to see a lot of CCNAs without a couple years of networking experience, and if I did see someone with a CCNA and no experience, I would be a bit uncertain of their ability to perform in a real-world setting.
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Jan 22, 2021 00:48
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Japanese Dating Sim posted:Short answer, yes. Remember not to limit yourself to jobs in your local area. Tons of places are hiring 100% remote folks. I think indeed has a remote filter now to help find those jobs.
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Japanese Dating Sim posted:So since I posted this (12/29/20): You are irreplaceable. Who else will do your level of work for no title and low pay? You are the perfect tech employee.
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Jan 22, 2021 01:45
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Japanese Dating Sim posted:So since I posted this (12/29/20): My hot take, Volunteer as much as possible. Put as much effort as you are able into the Nutanix project without degrading your current responsibilities. When it's performance review time, go through everything you did bit by bit and hopefully get a massive raise or promotion. After all, why wouldn't you get one? If they don't give you one then it's time to  but you'll be leaving the company with Nutanix experience on your resume.
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Sickening posted:You are irreplaceable. Who else will do your level of work for no title and low pay? You are the perfect tech employee. Kind of a mean-spirited take, no? Or maybe it's just a tone on the Internet issue on my part. I'll be talking to the manager about that invite tomorrow, and I wouldn't call what I make "low pay". That's actually one of the things I'm grappling with - most of the positions with the title/work I want pay less than I make now.
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Japanese Dating Sim posted:Kind of a mean-spirited take, no? Or maybe it's just a tone on the Internet issue on my part. Doesn't seem mean spirited, seems like a blunt telling of the truth. As I read your story, You are a non-sysadmin about to be dragged into sys-admin work, for not sysadmin pay after your company decided you are not to be promoted/transitioned to it. You are in essence what every jerk off manager type wants. A presumably competent dude, doing work above his pay grade.
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Yea you really need to bring up to your manager that while you appreciate the opportunity to be working with the team and tech, you were explicitly denied the job that this work was for and that they stop bringing you into the meetings. It's rough but they made their decision and you need to stick up for yourself.
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Defenestrategy posted:Doesn't seem mean spirited, seems like a blunt telling of the truth. I suppose. In fairness, the invite to that meeting probably came because the non-supervisory employee in the group likes working with me (and I know he pulled for me being part of the team), and not from either of the managers. Fairly likely it was a surprise to them. As far as the other project I've been involved in, I jumped on that because it was a critical thing that I knew the most about. I'll be pointing out that it's now at a point where it should be handed off to someone on that team and leave it at that. I'll be talking to the manager soon and am not really one of those employees that lets themselves get walked over, I was mostly venting about two emergent things that had happened this week alone. I realize that I while venting I presented a snapshot of my week and made it sound like I was being abused, but I am really not. If this week is a sign of a pattern, then that's another story. But again, yes, I am getting my ducks in a row to be able to jump on the right opportunity when it comes along.
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Japanese Dating Sim posted:Kind of a mean-spirited take, no? Or maybe it's just a tone on the Internet issue on my part. I am not trying to be mean, I am trying to be honest. I was you once upon a time. I was working well above my pay grade for little more than smiles and pats on the back. I too was trying to break into sysadmin when sysadmin stuff was king poo poo and I was doing a ton of the work for none of the pay. I once had people make me feel like I owed THEM for doing their computer janitor duties on my hands and knees begging. Its going to sound silly and cliché, but Something Awful changed my loving life in 07 just by letting me know I was being a loving chump.
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I agree that this is bullshit and they should go find a new job that appreciates them more, but they are not in a position to say no to doing the work. You can do that kind of thing when you're pretty senior, but I don't see that going well for him here.
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guppy posted:I agree that this is bullshit and they should go find a new job that appreciates them more, but they are not in a position to say no to doing the work. You can do that kind of thing when you're pretty senior, but I don't see that going well for him here. Covid times makes sticking up for yourself a little more dicey. In a more normal job market, you definitely should be sticking up for yourself this way. Its going to be rare for someone to give you something you don't ask for. Its going to be incredibly common for people to let you do important things for none of the benefit. You should not accept higher responsibility for no gain for yourself. That is someone abusing your good faith.
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I was in a similar position at my previous job, a poo poo-tier (aren’t they all?) family-owned MSP. It’s really demoralizing knowing that you are underpaid but feeling like you can’t do much about it. I was getting burned out doing helpdesk/field tech/system admin work constantly. And then I was also the only one who knew their lovely systems so I was always ‘on call’. It took getting into an admin position at another company to stop feeling inadequate. My starting salary was a 50% increase over what I made at the old company after being there for 5 years. gently caress those guys.
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A quick look at indeed and I see a poo poo load of remote jobs that are help desk/it solutions. Granted they’re only like 50k a year. Just apply man. Worst they say no.
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If anything being laid off from a company on Monday said we were flush with cash to Friday where we laid off 30% of the company. Always be looking. You don’t owe them anything. Luckily I got laid off during covid money. The next 40% was laid off after covid money rant out. In short. gently caress every ceo and take them for everything they’re worth whenever you can.
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jaegerx posted:In short. gently caress every ceo and take them for everything they’re worth whenever you can. 
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The funny part is google was gonna buy us but we had too many customers in China and trump was pushing down on us to sever. So that was probably 40% of our income.
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Internet Explorer posted:You worked for TikTok?!? No, but huwaie and chinese telecoms were our biggest customers. e: also a little moba riot game kinda thing
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Guess the org:quote:Essential Duties & Responsibilities: The Seattle Kraken NHL expansion team.
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Thanatosian posted:Guess the org: not gonna lie, if i got a job at the spurs i'd do it for real cheap
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Internet Explorer posted:You worked for TikTok?!? I don’t know why you always want to fight me. The janitor poo poo was 4 years ago.
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jaegerx posted:I don’t know why you always want to fight me. The janitor poo poo was 4 years ago. I wasn't trying to start poo poo with you, I was just chatting. Sorry if that came across otherwise.
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Thanatosian posted:Guess the org: And let me guess, you've got one junior tech under you who's been with the organization for ten years in the same role and no other headcount. Ever.
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Sports teams are pretty notorious for underpaying and overworking staff because you're working a job that everyone thinks they want to do and hoping you get some lottery ticket chance at becoming a GM or upper level decision maker.
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Japanese Dating Sim posted:- The VMWare to Nutanix refresh project appears to have begun. i can't think of nutanix as anything other than some kind of protein powder you mix into milk
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Sickening posted:You are irreplaceable. Who else will do your level of work for no title and low pay? You are the perfect tech employee. Both hilarious and true at the same time. Don't let yourselves get taken advantage of! Japanese Dating Sim posted:Kind of a mean-spirited take, no? Or maybe it's just a tone on the Internet issue on my part. I got really pissed when you first posted about this because I thought they saw you as a resource on a spreadsheet. It's even worse than that. They have negative respect for you. If someone did this poo poo to me I'd be quitting on the spot just to test the boundaries of my worth to the organization. And if they let me walk, gently caress them.
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