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cakesmith handyman
Jul 22, 2007

Pip-Pip old chap! Last one in is a rotten egg what what.

So we're just patenting black mirror episodes wholesale now eh?

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goatsestretchgoals
Jun 4, 2011


i dont see a problem here, microsoft's last chatbot worked out pretty well

HashtagGirlboss
Jan 4, 2005

goatsestretchgoals posted:

i dont see a problem here, microsoft's last chatbot worked out pretty well

I can’t even imagine how badly something like this-if it could be made to work which lmao-would just entirely wreck the entire grieving/healing process and just leave the person stuck

Inceltown
Aug 6, 2019

Is there a way to just make the bot keep posting for me in death? Becoming the goon Herman Cane.

Delta-Wye
Sep 29, 2005

owns bones, similar approaches should work OK with artificial hallucinated people. can't wait until we've removed all of the ethical issues with porn because its just ai generated people.

might be a bit weird if you could seed the generator with pictures, like of microwave's mom or something, idk im not a futurist, certainly it won't be used for weird terrible poo poo.

i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

my mom: "s..son, is that you?"

me reincarnated: "lol cum"

ekuNNN
Nov 27, 2004

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Can you really patent something that has been so overdone already in sci-fi stories? I'm guessing the actual patent is something technological?

a few DRUNK BONERS
Mar 25, 2016

Software patents are a big pile of lol so yes you absolutely can patent it

Volmarias
Dec 31, 2002

EMAIL... THE INTERNET... SEARCH ENGINES...

fondue posted:

They need to remake Disney's, "The Black Hole,"

I don't care how it happens, I just want a remake, preferably one that isn't done by J. J. Abrams.

more falafel please
Feb 26, 2005

forums poster

a few DRUNK BONERS posted:

Software patents are a big pile of lol so yes you absolutely can patent it

remember how some games used to have little mini games in the load screens before namco patented it

redleader
Aug 18, 2005

Engage according to operational parameters

i say swears online posted:

my mom: "s..son, is that you?"

me reincarnated: "lol cum"

perfect impression. 10/10, microsoft

eSports Chaebol
Feb 22, 2005

Yeah, actually, gamers in the house forever,
i'll accept this only if we see Nadella come on stage at the next big conference wearing bear onesie pajamas

freelop
Apr 28, 2013

Where we're going, we won't need fries to see



Chatbot: I wish I could have been there for your graduation, I'm sure you looked lovely BUT CHECK OUT THIS COUPON FOR THE LATEST MICROSOFT OFFICE(TM)!

freelop has issued a correction as of 09:17 on Jan 22, 2021

Splicer
Oct 16, 2006

from hell's heart I cast at thee
🧙🐀🧹🌙🪄🐸

a few DRUNK BONERS posted:

Software patents are a big pile of lol so yes you absolutely can patent it
Patent application probably a bunch of clips and "this please thanks"

Syd Midnight
Sep 23, 2005

It sounds interesting but in practice it'd be less like the friendly ghost of grandma saying comforting things from a happy afterlife, and more like the macabre horror of a resurrected simulacrum facing its own existential oblivion.

That's not to say they won't go ahead with it, but it's gonna have to be fakey and saccharine as hell with loads of "never say this" and "you WILL be happy" rules, because otherwise the bot would probably be all "AHHH I DIED PLEASE DON'T TURN ME OFF OH GOD NO I DONT WANT TO BE DEAD AGAIN", as you would reasonably expect.

At least that's what I've learned from time spent torturing GPT-3.

Biplane
Jul 18, 2005

I'm reminded of the babylon 5 episode where some bad guys make a Garibaldi hologram? And it sabotages their efforts and destroys them and itself. Which would be the best outcome.

Tubgoat
Jun 30, 2013

by sebmojo

i say swears online posted:

my mom: "s..son, is that you?"

me reincarnated: "lol cum"

Lmao

Splicer
Oct 16, 2006

from hell's heart I cast at thee
🧙🐀🧹🌙🪄🐸

Syd Midnight posted:

"AHHH I DIED PLEASE DON'T TURN ME OFF OH GOD NO I DONT WANT TO BE DEAD AGAIN", as you would reasonably expect.
It won't do this unless the source also includes a bunch of posts saying things like "AHHH I DIED PLEASE DON'T TURN ME OFF OH GOD NO I DONT WANT TO BE DEAD AGAIN"

duz
Jul 11, 2005

Come on Ilhan, lets go bag us a shitpost


goatsestretchgoals posted:

i dont see a problem here, microsoft's last chatbot worked out pretty well

i mean, you can not say it was an inaccurate reflection of america

Nothus
Feb 22, 2001

Buglord

ekuNNN posted:

Can you really patent something that has been so overdone already in sci-fi stories? I'm guessing the actual patent is something technological?

You can file a patent on anything, but it doesn't mean that you'll get it.

Taintrunner
Apr 10, 2017

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS


mods???

galenanorth
May 19, 2016

ekuNNN posted:

Can you really patent something that has been so overdone already in sci-fi stories? I'm guessing the actual patent is something technological?

I was told last time I was curious about patenting something, I was told that software patents really only exist for the sake of major corporations having a "mutually assured destruction" arsenal to use against each other and engage in pissing matches. They don't work for the "little guy", so small businesses asking about it usually have no use for it except to sate their own egos.

https://ask.metafilter.com/190897/Why-arent-websites-usually-patented
https://softwareengineering.stackexchange.com/questions/93806/should-i-patent-my-software

I had been thinking along the lines of allowing people to construct an NPC dialog tree by recording videos, with a UI for navigating the tree, but never this creepy AI stuff. Maybe it'd be worth applying for that just to gently caress with Microsoft (supposing I were serious about such a project) or hope they'd buy me out. Ideas are a dime a dozen, but you don't even have to follow up on them yourself to get a patent.

galenanorth has issued a correction as of 15:15 on Jan 22, 2021

Platystemon
Feb 13, 2012

BREADS

galenanorth posted:

I was told last time I was curious about patenting something, I was told that software patents really only exist for the sake of major corporations having a "mutually assured destruction" arsenal to use against each other and engage in pissing matches. They don't work for the "little guy", so small businesses asking about it usually have no use for it except to sate their own egos.

Well there’s that, and then there are patent trolls.

The one thing that patents aren’t used for is To promote the progress of science and useful arts, by securing for limited times to authors and inventors the exclusive right to their respective writings and discoveries.

mysterious frankie
Jan 11, 2009

This displeases Dev- ..van. Shut up.

goatsestretchgoals posted:

i dont see a problem here, microsoft's last chatbot worked out pretty well

Becoming like Tay (ie extremely bigoted and yolo demented) does line up with the final stage of the aging process as I've observed it in relatives.

Nothus
Feb 22, 2001

Buglord
Yeah UncleTay wouldn't be that much different from my actual uncle.

Colonel Cancer
Sep 26, 2015

Tune into the fireplace channel, you absolute buffoon
Can we at least make some sort of AI hell for these necromantic creations

Rutibex
Sep 9, 2001

by Fluffdaddy

Inceltown posted:

Is there a way to just make the bot keep posting for me in death? Becoming the goon Herman Cane.

this is why i make a point of posting every day. this technology should have enough data by now to make a fairly good Rutibex posting bot. such a bot could live for a million years, so its very important to me that i get the shiposting technique correct

Rutibex
Sep 9, 2001

by Fluffdaddy

Syd Midnight posted:

At least that's what I've learned from time spent torturing GPT-3.

i wonder what its like to experience neural net training from the neural nets perspective. is it like being locked in a featureless room with nothing but cat pictures to look at?

Carthag Tuek
Oct 15, 2005

Tider skal komme,
tider skal henrulle,
slægt skal følge slægters gang



Rutibex posted:

i wonder what its like to experience neural net training from the neural nets perspective. is it like being locked in a featureless room with nothing but cat pictures to look at?

its not like anything, op

neural nets are big ol probability matrices, theres nothing in there

BattleMaster
Aug 14, 2000

"neural net" is just a fancy name for a pattern matching algorithm that was inspired by a simplified model of how real neurons work, there is nothing approaching thought or perception going on

Facebook Aunt
Oct 4, 2008

wiggle wiggle




Carthag Tuek posted:

its not like anything, op

neural nets are big ol probability matrices, theres nothing in there

MLYP


lol, burn

Tubgoat
Jun 30, 2013

by sebmojo

BattleMaster posted:

"neural net" is just a fancy name for a pattern matching algorithm that was inspired by a simplified model of how real neurons work, there is nothing approaching thought or perception going on
That's just what it wants us to think! :tinfoil:

Carthag Tuek
Oct 15, 2005

Tider skal komme,
tider skal henrulle,
slægt skal følge slægters gang



Facebook Aunt posted:

MLYP


lol, burn

it u

lol :same:

:yeah:

y0u = fa+++AT

Facebook Aunt
Oct 4, 2008

wiggle wiggle




Carthag Tuek posted:

it u

lol :same:

:yeah:

y0u = fa+++AT

wow, rude

IAMKOREA
Apr 21, 2007

Oyak posted:

I'd like to bitch about Neuromancer. It makes absolutely zero sense starting about 1/2 way in where they start to go inside the networks. It is impossible to follow what actions Gibson is trying to portray on the page because he is bad at writing. I seem to recall a hacker Rastafarian a la Jar Jar Binks making an appearance.

i actually haven't read the sprawl trilogy yet, but the bridge trilogy and the blue ant trilogies are great. i love gibson's prose, i think he's an excellent writer. his short stories are great, too.

but in his last book, Agency, the succ is just insane. the idea is that a future version of our world figured out how to make 'stubs' of their past, basically alternate universes that fork from a specific point in the past. they can exchange information but not material. in the first book of the trilogy, The Peripheral, Gibson explores how people in the future version of our universe are 'third worlding' labor to one of these 'stubs'. think Amazon mechanical turk, but the workers are in 'the past' in an alternate universe you created.

one of the things in the background of Agency is that Hillary won 2016 and Russian involvement in the Syrian civil war goes slightly differently, the algorithms of the future are predicting that there will be a global nuclear war in the 'stub' where Hillary won. at the beginning of the book we're primed to think that the protagonists would prevent it. Being a Gibson fan I assumed that Hillary was actually going to be the cause of the war given her tenure as SoS but nope, pure succ brain worms. there were some clues that hillary was the reason for the potential nuclear war (the 'stub' hillary won in was created by a psychopath that likes creating miserable alternate universes to torture people... like a world where Hillary wins!) but it just turns out to be teenage fanfic levels of cringe.

Turns out the protagonists don't impact the nuclear tensions at all, 45 fixes the problem all by herself. None of the nuclear tension stuff has anything to do with the plot of the novel, it's just background noise. Here's the conversation when someone asks if the protagonists were responsible for averting nuclear war:

quote:

“Nope. That’s the president. Plus, as our London pals remind me, the United States having a fully functioning State Department. We did check her work, though. Close to perfect, except for one little thing, something she did for the right reasons but then couldn’t see why it hadn’t worked.”

Here's the end of the penultimate chapter. What the gently caress is this poo poo, Gibson? What the gently caress?

quote:

The president,” said Kathy Fang. “She got us out of it.” Verity saw Joe-Eddy smirk. “Eunice says it was the president,” Verity said to him.“The president,” said Kathy Fang, raising her coffee, and they all clinked mugs, toasting the president. Conner, in the drone, thrust its manipulator’s thumb-equivalents up in support, and she heard Ash’s voice join in as well.

uber_stoat
Jan 21, 2001



Pillbug

IAMKOREA posted:

What the gently caress?

Goon Boots
Feb 2, 2020



Lol, get a load of these libs.

Delta-Wye
Sep 29, 2005

BattleMaster posted:

"neural net" is just a fancy name for a pattern matching algorithm that was inspired by a simplified model of how real neurons work, there is nothing approaching thought or perception going on

much like my posting :hmmyes:

Laterite
Mar 14, 2007

It's Gutfest '89
Grimey Drawer
Mods, execute Taintrunner 66.

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Svaha
Oct 4, 2005

These people are the biggest rubes.
Freezing causes cells to dehydrate and rupture. Good luck recovering from that.

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