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Terror Sweat posted:Only if you read the comics The Sword logo was on the helicopter drone in an earlier episode, and in the Previously On in this episode, so it works as a callback to, "She's part of something not right." thrawn527 fucked around with this message at 22:23 on Jan 22, 2021 |
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Wasn't even in the last Spider-man movie? By mention and everything. That's how I know what is Sword.
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Jan 22, 2021 22:26
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Desperado Bones posted:Wasn't even in the last Spider-man movie? By mention and everything. That's how I know what is Sword. Fury was shown on some sort of space ship far from earth, and people naturally assumed it had something to do with SWORD, but I don't think it was ever explicitly called out as such.
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Jan 22, 2021 22:29
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Klungar posted:Fury was shown on some sort of space ship far from earth, and people naturally assumed it had something to do with SWORD, but I don't think it was ever explicitly called out as such. Wasn't that a Skrull ship, though? Like, other than Fury, I thought everyone you saw was a Skrull.
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Jan 22, 2021 22:49
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thrawn527 posted:Wasn't that a Skrull ship, though? Like, other than Fury, I thought everyone you saw was a Skrull. Yeah, but the Skrull’s seem to be working for Fury since they were providing his cover on Earth while he’s away. I’d figure SWORD having alien agents would make sense in the MCU, and with how Agents of Shield ended.
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Klungar posted:Yeah, but the Skrull’s seem to be working for Fury since they were providing his cover on Earth while he’s away. I’d figure SWORD having alien agents would make sense in the MCU, and with how Agents of Shield ended. It's also a much better ending to have a group of Skrulls start working with humans to protect a new home than to go "yeah, humanity isn't ready for these new people yet; better have them go someplace else entirely".
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Jan 22, 2021 23:01
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Plus more Ben Mendelsohn is rarely a bad thing.
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Jan 22, 2021 23:02
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eke out posted:i hope there isn't some dramatic Vision Dies At The End thing and this is just an excuse for him to be alive again. i don't know if Bettany has already ruled out doing more Marvel or what, but he's a delight my prediction is that Vision will be dead again at the end of the series (though Bettany could still return in flashbacks/cameos/etc) and that Wanda's failure to bring him back will be the main thing that drives her into whatever her role in Doctor Strange 2 is
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Jan 22, 2021 23:25
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Barry Convex posted:the below is just a joke tweet, but if the sitcom aspect were more like this, I'd honestly be a lot happier with it Honestly, getting James Spader in as 'Vision's dad coming to visit' would be a masterstroke.
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Jan 22, 2021 23:30
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Ultron as Robert California
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Barry Convex posted:my prediction is that Vision will be dead again at the end of the series (though Bettany could still return in flashbacks/cameos/etc) and that Wanda's failure to bring him back will be the main thing that drives her into whatever her role in Doctor Strange 2 is Alternatively she succeeds in bringing him back but he comes back wrong. Sometimes dead is better.
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So... Considering that next episode will probably be set in the 80s, would you say that Wanda and Vision are Married... With Children?
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Whoever's doing the score for this show is spot-on. The 70s sitcom background tracks felt really authentic. It's also really fun to see Elizabeth Olsen change her acting style with each decade. Vision is kind of always Vision because he's supposed to be, but Wanda's been a different type of sitcom wife every episode.
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cant cook creole bream posted:So... Can't wait for those cheesy 90's family sitcom adventures. sticklefifer posted:Whoever's doing the score for this show is spot-on. The 70s sitcom background tracks felt really authentic. That color palette was  same as the costumes. The lady who worked on the wardrobe design seemed as she had the time of her life.
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Desperado Bones posted:Can't wait for those cheesy 90's family sitcom adventures. The show will throw us for a loop and parody That 70s Show.
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stev posted:Alternatively she succeeds in bringing him back but he comes back wrong. An excuse for emotionless chalk white Vision? I'm here for it.
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cant cook creole bream posted:The show will throw us for a loop and parody That 70s Show. They already got one of the cast members!
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Desperado Bones posted:Touché. There has been 40 year olds playing younger characters so it's not a impossible. And indeed it would be a fun and unexpected! Paul Bettany is 50, and Vision is, like, two.
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Necrothatcher posted:It's cool that that Twilight Zone episode takes just 25 mins to make its point. I suppos, but that episode had a different point than this show. The TZ ep was how people try to "normalize" even the most horrific circumstances (imprisoned by a cruel, thoughtless God child). WandaVision seems to be more about the intersection between "super" and "human" in a superhuman person. Yes, Wanda is amazingly powerful now, re-writing minds, even re-writing reality and re-winding time. However, the problems she's facing are very human in nature. Pain, Grief. Loneliness. This show is how Wanda is trying (and failing) to deal with very human problems with Super abilities. Barry Convex posted:The change in aspect ratio actually makes sense, given that this is the first time we've seen the "real world" in the series (aside from the bit with the monitors at the end of the first episode, which was also in widescreen One thing is that I don't think people have quite grasped what's happening here. Wanda hasn't gone into a small town, cracked up is now living there with a fake Vision and mind controlled people - at least she hasn't just done that. Recall the bit from the control room in the first episode. I think Wanda has actually used her powers to transform the town into a television show that actually airs in the MCU. Basically people in the MCU are turning on their TVs and seeing "WandaVision" as an actual television show. There's no real physical town to enter, exactly. There's probably some kind of intermittent portal/opening to let SWORD send a helicopter/beekeeper/radio signal/Monica inside, but it's not like Nick Fury can just fly a Helicarrier over a physical town going "All right, Wanda, cut the poo poo and snap out of it." because there is no physical town anymore. There's just some kind of TV signal.
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BizarroAzrael posted:Paul Bettany is 50, and Vision is, like, two. Excuse me, he is like 10 
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Desperado Bones posted:Excuse me, he is like 10 I guess it depends on whether he ages with those periods.
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He's probably like two days old.
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McSpanky posted:An excuse for emotionless chalk white Vision? I'm here for it. Yea I've been expecting that for ages now.
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I hope they don’t just reset to ‘lol sitcom’ at the start of every episode. Stakes should rise sometimes.
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Desperado Bones posted:That color palette was I love the slightly over-saturated look of the 70s era. Both Kathryn Hahn and Paul Bettany's blue eyes being way too blue was a really nice touch. The_Doctor fucked around with this message at 01:19 on Jan 23, 2021 |
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Everyone posted:I suppos, but that episode had a different point than this show. The TZ ep was how people try to "normalize" even the most horrific circumstances (imprisoned by a cruel, thoughtless God child). Doesn't entirely explain why they can't just ask Dr Strange to pop by and do some mojo. Could even say that the Eye of Agamotto makes him immune to her rewinds. (I do hate that they just made the Eye a fancy case for the Time Stone, it's way cooler in the comics as an anti-illusion/deception widget
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Gaz-L posted:Doesn't entirely explain why they can't just ask Dr Strange to pop by and do some mojo. Could even say that the Eye of Agamotto makes him immune to her rewinds. (I do hate that they just made the Eye a fancy case for the Time Stone, it's way cooler in the comics as an anti-illusion/deception widget That said, Strange really shouldn't have any power or protection over time now that the Time Stone is gone. In fact, my current theory is that Wanda actually absorbed and developed the power of all the Infinity Stones, which gives her power over reality, the power affect time, even power over souls.
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Dr strange is always off in some dream dimension and never around because otherwise every problem becomes “just get strange to deal with it”
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cant cook creole bream posted:So... I think 80s will be like a Wonder Years or even Stranger Things type palette. If the the 80s is a Halloween episode where Wanda and Vision dress as there traditional comics costumes as is hinted by the trailer, I think those two come to mind most, despite Stranger Things not being an actual 80s show. I think thats speaks volumes for their production to make it look so natural despite having the advantage of modern tech.
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swickles posted:I think 80s will be like a Wonder Years or even Stranger Things type palette. If the the 80s is a Halloween episode where Wanda and Vision dress as there traditional comics costumes as is hinted by the trailer, I think those two come to mind most, despite Stranger Things not being an actual 80s show. I think thats speaks volumes for their production to make it look so natural despite having the advantage of modern tech. Neither of those shows are sitcoms though or even contemporary to the time periods they aired. I would think the 80s episode would be more along the lines of Growing Pains or Family Ties, then for the 90s they'd go more Full House/Home Improvement/Rosanne.
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cant cook creole bream posted:So... No joke, there was an issue of What The?!? (Marvel’s late 80s-early 90’s comedy/parody comic) that DID this. They had a reimagining of Vision and Scarlet Witch as basically Al and Peg, with all their bad guys and allies as neighbors, and even had a parody of the theme song... it’s probably not as good now as it was when I was 12 😂
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robot roll call posted:Neither of those shows are sitcoms though or even contemporary to the time periods they aired. I would think the 80s episode would be more along the lines of Growing Pains or Family Ties, then for the 90s they'd go more Full House/Home Improvement/Rosanne. Going just by the trailers. The 80s house gives me a Family Ties feel and the 90s outfit say Roseanne to me. Though they have to give a nod to Full House, if only because of Elizabeth's sisters.
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BrianWilly posted:I mean, they might do just that. We don't know yet. Am I misremembering Endgame? I thought the stones all went back to where they started?
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Gaz-L posted:Am I misremembering Endgame? I thought the stones all went back to where they started? Back in time, where they would wait until Thanos would gather them and destroy them after dusting half the universe. The present day of the MCU has 0/6 Infinity Stones, though I’m not sure how that squares with the Ancient One’s lesson on what happens to doomed time lines that lose an Infinity Stone.
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Gaz-L posted:Am I misremembering Endgame? I thought the stones all went back to where they started? Nope. The stones that went back where from another time line/universe. The stones in the original time line were destroyed forever by Thanos. The moment they did the time travel a new time line branch was created. Don't think a lot about it, it probably won't make a lot of sense.
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tsob posted:One other thing I found interesting looking at the trailers again is that [episode 3 spoilers]when Wanda asks Monica who she is, Monica in the trailer has a really confused "I don't know" response, while she seems to know who she is and be trying to infiltrate Wanda's reality in the episode as is. I wonder if there was a slight change in plans at some point. Or if maybe Monica was losing herself in the new reality despite stepping in there with a specific purpose. This was probably just misdirection in the trailer but also doing it in a way that showcases that things are Not Right.
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I do think that given the movie connection, we may get a cameo from Strange (speculation so not gonna tag it), maybe with some kind of cool one-liner about how Wanda doesn't need another magician, she needs a doctor.
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Gaz-L posted:Am I misremembering Endgame? I thought the stones all went back to where they started? The Stones gathered in the "Time Heist" were sent back to where they came from. However, think back to the final battle in Infinity War when Wanda is trying to kill Vision. She focuses her power on the Mind stone. Thanos knocks the various heroes away and comes for her. And she holds him back. She actually splits her focus, using part of her power to attack the Mind Stone and the other part to hold back Thanos, who wields the Guantlet with the other five Stones. In Endgame, Thanos states that he used the Stones to destroy the Stones - he used their power against them. Perhaps Wanda did something similar, pulling part of their power into herself and using it against them. That might explain the... tenderness that Thanos showed to her then. Wanda wasn't just someone who had killed one she loved out of need. She was someone who understood on some level the burden of wielding the Stones. It also explains why she was Snapped. Part of it was likely that Thanos wanted to give her the peace of death. But part of it might also be that Thanos knew what would happen next. Thanos destroyed the Stones, but he didn't necessarily destroy their power - just scattered it and made it unusable since it was no longer harnessed to physical objects. Or was it unusable? Perhaps instead of scattering, the Stones' powers was drawn back to the where it was last used, Earth. And for five years it stayed there, waiting. When the Hulk did the UnSnap, he brought everyone taken by the Snap back. Including Wanda. Who had previously (unconsciously) shown her affinity for the Stones by using their power previously. So, the Stones' went into the most compatible vessel. Thanos, Hulk and Stark needed an Infinity Gauntlet to use the Stone and using them badly injured or killed them. Because they weren't truly compatible. Wanda doesn't need an Infinity Gauntlet. At this point, Wanda Maximoff is the Infinity Gauntlet. You make now mock my speculation.
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Another point i think is worth noting is despite her best efforts, Wanda seems to be unable to stop Vision from noticing things are wrong over and over again. I assume there's some kind of 'she made him from her memories, but because of that, he's too close to the real thing to accept the lie'.
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