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Zzulu
May 15, 2009

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The market exists for rich people to manipulate it. Might as well let the masses manipulate it too

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tangy yet delightful
Sep 13, 2005



If it hasn't already happened big trading firms are going to start reading and/or maybe even posting on WSB aren't they?

The Nastier Nate
May 22, 2005

All aboard the corona bus!

HONK! HONK!


Yams Fan

Lib and let die posted:

i don't understand any of this poo poo, but if the market is so fragile that loving reddit can do stuff to it, maybe we shouldn't have the market?

pretty sure GameStop's business model at this point is to sell lovely 3rd party accessories and funko pops

Lib and let die
Aug 26, 2004

The Nastier Nate posted:

pretty sure GameStop's business model at this point is to sell lovely 3rd party accessories and funko pops

I peeked my head into a gamestop a few times when I was doing physical therapy last year. It's just funko pops, hot topic quality shirts and accessories, and used games that are almost definitely stolen

Grand Theft Autobot
Feb 28, 2008

I'm something of a fucking idiot myself

Zzulu posted:

The market exists for rich people to manipulate it. Might as well let the masses manipulate it too

Rich people super don't like shitheads being able to gently caress up their plans. It owns.

Carthag Tuek
Oct 15, 2005

Tider skal komme,
tider skal henrulle,
slægt skal følge slægters gang



Zzulu posted:

The market exists for rich people to manipulate it. Might as well let the masses manipulate it too

lol if you think the masses are coming out of this with more money than before

maybe one of the rich guys makes a little less, but some other rich guys make a little more instead

its not the masses who make anything

Dr Pepper
Feb 4, 2012

Don't like it? well...

It owns that a bunch of shitposters cost some big corporation millions.

indigi
Jul 20, 2004
Probation
Can't post for 21 hours!
what did wallstreetbets do exactly

Hurt Whitey Maybe
Jun 26, 2008

I mean maybe not. Or maybe. Definitely don't kill anyone.
if you do not already subscribe, Matt Levine at Bloomberg has great coverage of WSB/Robinhood investing in his newsletter, Money Stuff.

most of the time when you see stuff like GameStop it is basically a bunch of bored redditors running a pump and dump on WSB. Then Robinhood shows that it’s trending because of the volume and price volatility, and bunch of other morons get in it.

it’s had some pretty funny effects, like the time Hertz went bankrupt, effectively rendering its stock worthless. but then a bunch of Robinhood traders drove the price up, and Hertz even tried to sell some new issue stock, because if people want to buy worthless stock for more than zero dollars, might as well be the one who sells it to them. they got shut down eventually, but Robinhood has caused some pretty hilarious stock swings. see also: stocks with similar names to other stocks/products in the news, like Signal, last week.

Carthag Tuek
Oct 15, 2005

Tider skal komme,
tider skal henrulle,
slægt skal følge slægters gang



Dr Pepper posted:

It owns that a bunch of shitposters cost some big corporation millions.

ffs they didnt cost them anything

Biplane
Jul 18, 2005

Hurt Whitey Maybe posted:

if you do not already subscribe, Matt Levine at Bloomberg has great coverage of WSB/Robinhood investing in his newsletter, Money Stuff.

most of the time when you see stuff like GameStop it is basically a bunch of bored redditors running a pump and dump on WSB. Then Robinhood shows that it’s trending because of the volume and price volatility, and bunch of other morons get in it.

it’s had some pretty funny effects, like the time Hertz went bankrupt, effectively rendering its stock worthless. but then a bunch of Robinhood traders drove the price up, and Hertz even tried to sell some new issue stock, because if people want to buy worthless stock for more than zero dollars, might as well be the one who sells it to them. they got shut down eventually, but Robinhood has caused some pretty hilarious stock swings. see also: stocks with similar names to other stocks/products in the news, like Signal, last week.

rational actors

Shame Boy
Mar 2, 2010

Zzulu posted:

The market exists for rich people to manipulate it. Might as well let the masses manipulate it too

I say as I don my tophat and step into my model T and head downtown in 1929

Dr Pepper
Feb 4, 2012

Don't like it? well...

Carthag Tuek posted:

ffs they didnt cost them anything

They tried to short a stock, the price went up, how did they not lose money.

inferis
Dec 30, 2003

back in the early 2000s there was this introvert teenager who would buy lovely stocks and then hype them up on yahoo finance message boards and it was successful enough that the sec visited him

e: https://www.nytimes.com/2001/02/25/magazine/jonathan-lebed-s-extracurricular-activities.html?pagewanted=all&src=pm

inferis has issued a correction as of 23:48 on Jan 22, 2021

Carthag Tuek
Oct 15, 2005

Tider skal komme,
tider skal henrulle,
slægt skal følge slægters gang



Dr Pepper posted:

They tried to short a stock, the price went up, how did they not lose money.

by "them" i mean the capitalists in general. maybe a specific hedge fund hosed up, but the rich still got richer and the poor still got poorer.

you cant beat the market by daytrading

Shame Boy
Mar 2, 2010

I guarantee that it will somehow turn out that everything was structured so the only people who lost money are a bunch of pension funds and grandma's 401k

Dr Pepper
Feb 4, 2012

Don't like it? well...

Carthag Tuek posted:

by "them" i mean the capitalists in general. maybe a specific hedge fund hosed up, but the rich still got richer and the poor still got poorer.

you cant beat the market by daytrading

I was taking about a specific hedge fund.

Carthag Tuek
Oct 15, 2005

Tider skal komme,
tider skal henrulle,
slægt skal følge slægters gang



Dr Pepper posted:

I was taking about a specific hedge fund.

well, this:

Shame Boy posted:

I guarantee that it will somehow turn out that everything was structured so the only people who lost money are a bunch of pension funds and grandma's 401k

Jel Shaker
Apr 19, 2003

Hurt Whitey Maybe posted:

if you do not already subscribe, Matt Levine at Bloomberg has great coverage of WSB/Robinhood investing in his newsletter, Money Stuff.

most of the time when you see stuff like GameStop it is basically a bunch of bored redditors running a pump and dump on WSB. Then Robinhood shows that it’s trending because of the volume and price volatility, and bunch of other morons get in it.

it’s had some pretty funny effects, like the time Hertz went bankrupt, effectively rendering its stock worthless. but then a bunch of Robinhood traders drove the price up, and Hertz even tried to sell some new issue stock, because if people want to buy worthless stock for more than zero dollars, might as well be the one who sells it to them. they got shut down eventually, but Robinhood has caused some pretty hilarious stock swings. see also: stocks with similar names to other stocks/products in the news, like Signal, last week.

well it’s not like the professionals are much better, remember when they bid up nintendo to an insane degree during the pokemon go craze until it was pointed out that it was run by a different company

Main Paineframe
Oct 27, 2010

skooma512 posted:

The Heresy must be cleansed!


Also, why are they laying people off during a COVID surge when people are staying at home and getting delivery?

grocery stores are desperate for a piece of that home delivery pie, so instacart is offloading most of the labor onto them and their employees

PhilippAchtel
May 31, 2011

https://twitter.com/TheNYSocialist/status/1352819668575248385?s=19

Carthag Tuek
Oct 15, 2005

Tider skal komme,
tider skal henrulle,
slægt skal følge slægters gang




jesus your country is weird and bad

i mean all countries are, but yall are so blatant

Len
Jan 21, 2008

Pouches, bandages, shoulderpad, cyber-eye...

Bitchin'!


Carthag Tuek posted:

jesus your country is weird and bad

i mean all countries are, but yall are so blatant

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-gbEKy7eJak

Carthag Tuek
Oct 15, 2005

Tider skal komme,
tider skal henrulle,
slægt skal følge slægters gang



i reported that for being misleading and wrote a personal comment to the moderator

idk if its satire but i got mad

ToxicAcne
May 25, 2014
Edit: Wrong thread

ToxicAcne has issued a correction as of 21:55 on Jan 23, 2021

The Nastier Nate
May 22, 2005

All aboard the corona bus!

HONK! HONK!


Yams Fan
someone got me an uber eats gift card over Christmas and for the first time i used it to get a $17 order from a place a couple miles from me, the total cost ended up being about $28

there is a service fee, a delivery charge, a tip and an optional "priority fee" and my thought was i have no idea how much of that, if any, actually makes it to the drivers pocket.

i'd never use it myself, i'd rather just call the restaurant directly but since my co-worker already gave uber money, i have to use it.

Shame Boy
Mar 2, 2010

The Nastier Nate posted:

someone got me an uber eats gift card over Christmas and for the first time i used it to get a $17 order from a place a couple miles from me, the total cost ended up being about $28

there is a service fee, a delivery charge, a tip and an optional "priority fee" and my thought was i have no idea how much of that, if any, actually makes it to the drivers pocket.

i'd never use it myself, i'd rather just call the restaurant directly but since my co-worker already gave uber money, i have to use it.

As far as I know: service fee does not, delivery charge does not, tip generally does (that can even be enforced by law in some places), priority fee kinda sorta not really does

Fame Douglas
Nov 20, 2013

by Fluffdaddy
They should really add a "convenience fee" as well, because it is so convenient!

Main Paineframe
Oct 27, 2010

The Nastier Nate posted:

someone got me an uber eats gift card over Christmas and for the first time i used it to get a $17 order from a place a couple miles from me, the total cost ended up being about $28

there is a service fee, a delivery charge, a tip and an optional "priority fee" and my thought was i have no idea how much of that, if any, actually makes it to the drivers pocket.

i'd never use it myself, i'd rather just call the restaurant directly but since my co-worker already gave uber money, i have to use it.

service fee is a percentage of the food cost, and goes to Uber

if you don't buy much food, they tack on a small order fee which goes to Uber

delivery fee is a random number the algorithm makes up, and goes to Uber

priority fee goes to Uber

uber eats, like most gig services, claims that the tip goes entirely to drivers. some gig services cut workers' pay by the tip amount, but uber eats does not appear to be one of them

indigi
Jul 20, 2004
Probation
Can't post for 21 hours!

Main Paineframe posted:

service fee is a percentage of the food cost, and goes to Uber

if you don't buy much food, they tack on a small order fee which goes to Uber

delivery fee is a random number the algorithm makes up, and goes to Uber

priority fee goes to Uber

uber eats, like most gig services, claims that the tip goes entirely to drivers. some gig services cut workers' pay by the tip amount, but uber eats does not appear to be one of them

if they get paid in addition to tips then presumably some of the delivery fee is going to them, I’d like to know how much so I can adjust my tips upward accordingly

duz
Jul 11, 2005

Come on Ilhan, lets go bag us a shitpost


indigi posted:

if they get paid in addition to tips then presumably some of the delivery fee is going to them, I’d like to know how much so I can adjust my tips upward accordingly

with how much money they lose, they are paid more from vc than actual customers
also always tip in cash and never thru the app, help them avoid taxes

indigi
Jul 20, 2004
Probation
Can't post for 21 hours!
if only there was an app that has someone run to an ATM for you

Len
Jan 21, 2008

Pouches, bandages, shoulderpad, cyber-eye...

Bitchin'!


indigi posted:

if only there was an app that has someone run to an ATM for you

There's an app a guy I know has been using that does that with lottery tickets. You give them money and they go to a gas station and buy tickets that they then scan to you.

Jackpocket I think?

Main Paineframe
Oct 27, 2010

indigi posted:

if they get paid in addition to tips then presumably some of the delivery fee is going to them, I’d like to know how much so I can adjust my tips upward accordingly

driver pay is determined by the algorithm, and the amount a driver is paid for a particular order isn't necessarily directly linked to the amount a customer pays

for one thing, it's super gameified with things like surge pricing and boost area bonuses and stuff

presumably it's all setup to have some orders above cost and some orders below cost, so that the former can subsidize the latter

spacetoaster
Feb 10, 2014


That website. Holy cow is that some obvious bullshit propaganda.

spacetoaster
Feb 10, 2014

Fame Douglas
Nov 20, 2013

by Fluffdaddy
If he were alive today, MLK would simply order his dream on Amazon.

The Nastier Nate
May 22, 2005

All aboard the corona bus!

HONK! HONK!


Yams Fan

Len posted:

There's an app a guy I know has been using that does that with lottery tickets. You give them money and they go to a gas station and buy tickets that they then scan to you.

Jackpocket I think?

Do you mean scratch offs? The whole fun of that is the 30 seconds of dopamine you get while scratching the boxes to see if you won. Just having someone text you a QR code saying you lost sounds cyberdystopia as hell and possibly filled with chances of fraud

inferis
Dec 30, 2003

I mean do you never go to convenience stores? the real addicts scratch them on the counter, and the people who are even further gone buy them and have the cashier scan them right there.

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Danaru
Jun 5, 2012

何 ??
I got stuck behind a boomer who would get his tickets scanned, get new tickets with whatever he won, then have those scanned right away. The cashier for whatever reason was totally cool with him doing this for ten loving minutes

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