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There is actually a serious point behind that post, Scotland has cultural significance massively disproportionate to its population imo. Half the population of NI are tethered to the UK via Scotland and all the stuff that's been invented there
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knox_harrington posted:I guess a few posters here were in London that year before magic mushrooms were made illegal? Every other shop on Camden High Street was selling punnets of them for a fiver. It was a magical time, for sure. I spent a looot of time that year tripping in Amsterdam’s of London there, when they had a little cafe set up in the basement. They’d also sell weed under the counter back then and let you smoke it in the shop. Kind of crazy to think about now.
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Jan 23, 2021 02:24
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but still, nobody likes a whinger
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Jan 23, 2021 02:25
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forkboy84 posted:You certainly don't see British nationalist politicians Photoshopped poorly onto the cover of Mein Kampf, like Kieth or Priti Patel. Just a funny oversight I'm sure. 
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Jan 23, 2021 02:26
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Shyrka posted:Totally love how every time Scotland gets mentioned in the thread a bunch of people crawl out of the woodwork to tell us all how nationalism is a disease, very normal and cool. I mean if there were a number of posters telling us that English nationalism is cool and good and extolling the inherent superiority of the people living inside the magic line on the map there'd probably be a fairly strong reaction to that, I'm sure.
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Jan 23, 2021 02:32
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Guavanaut posted:Someone called? That's more like it.
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Jan 23, 2021 02:35
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English nationalism should be promoted by the nationalists of the other nations, surely the sooner to have themselves hived off the... is England a motherland or a fatherland? I've never understood why Russia is a motherland but generally your fascist countries be menfolk
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Jan 23, 2021 02:38
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goddamnedtwisto posted:I mean if there were a number of posters telling us that English nationalism is cool and good and extolling the inherent superiority of the people living inside the magic line on the map there'd probably be a fairly strong reaction to that, I'm sure. No one's doing that. All that has to happen is someone has to mention Scotland existing and the 'nationalism is a disease' posts come out immediately. It never comes up in any other context. It's very clearly meant to shut down any talk about Scotland and tell us to gently caress off and be quiet. edit: Like genuinely, the entire inclusive/comraderey feel of the thread goes out the window and it gets extremely weird and hostile every time Scotland comes up.
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Jan 23, 2021 02:40
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Are you being oppressed, op? I will not have the Scots oppressed on this forum, I will loving poo poo anyone who tries it you mark my words don't you worry, op 
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Jan 23, 2021 02:47
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Yeah it's a loving micro-aggression or whatever, I can't compare it to what Palestinians go through for example, it's just very tiring. Someone mentions something about scotpol, Alex Salmond's a sexmonster, whatever but oh no someone's got to come in unprompted and remind us all that nationalism is a disease. This is a reminder we always have to get when Scotland comes up but you can mention any other country in the world without it needing to be mentioned. We're diseased, we're bad, how dare we. Scotland wanting to become independent is exactly the same as skinheads chanting about no black in the union jack. It's just tiring.
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Jan 23, 2021 02:55
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I mean i am from Ni so I have a very distinct take on nationalism. Like here is a place where an actual majority of younger people have made a new identity that is liberated from two warring nationalisms just to loving be able to get on with life but yes nationalism is more nuanced than lumping people who like to wear kilts to work and vote SNP in with EDL skinheads, you definitely have a point there
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Jan 23, 2021 03:02
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goddamnedtwisto posted:I mean if there were a number of posters telling us that English nationalism is cool and good and extolling the inherent superiority of the people living inside the magic line on the map there'd probably be a fairly strong reaction to that, I'm sure. But enough about the Northern Independence Party.
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Jan 23, 2021 03:08
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honestly, a disease is a poor model. diseases are natural things, mostly, people pass them on unconsciously and largely without blame - no, nationalism as mind poison is a much better framing of it. that associates with the negative connotation and intent of "poison" and hangs it rhetorically with something like a narcotic without out and out stating as such. develop more persuasive ways of calling out social ills.
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Jan 23, 2021 03:14
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well i mean there are tangible regional power imbalances that really exist and any sentient being who is aware of an imbalance of power against them on this mortal coil has every right for to kick off imo
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Jan 23, 2021 03:16
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I wonder if it might be a good time to start using the scotpol thread for this stuff again, as there's probably going to be more of it as the holyrood vote in may snd its aftermath goes on, have all the eternally recurring arguments about nationalism concentrated in one place We do still have a scotpol thread hiding somewhere
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Jan 23, 2021 03:30
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can i just say that i'm dead against that, the NI posters here manage to keep up with each other just fine and i think it's important people here learn about what's going on in the whole of the country while it lasts
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Jan 23, 2021 03:33
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honestly i feel like it's been tried more or less on and off since the referendum and it's literally never sustained itself. nothing wrong with the idea but it didn't work - repeatedly, iirc? we're just too small compared to the impossible waves of US interest D&D to keep two threads going unless it's one poster doing periodic effortposts like that uk rail privatization thread.
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Jan 23, 2021 03:38
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well yes and there's an actual good, positive benefit in that UKMT readers get to see more stuff about scottish politics
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Jan 23, 2021 03:42
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I too think this thread gets un-comradely when scotland comes up sometimes but I'd rather scotpol stuff gets posted here so I can read it.
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Jan 23, 2021 03:50
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if nationalism is such mind poison how come's it nobody tells palestinians off for wanting a two state solution 
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Jan 23, 2021 04:00
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I think the crux of it though is that England is such a massive constituent and it's just offensive to lump together say Geordies and Scousers with little englanders
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Jan 23, 2021 04:03
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Ms Adequate posted:if nationalism is such mind poison how come's it nobody tells palestinians off for wanting a two state solution well, as i have explained before, it is unambiguously justified in the face of brutal colonial imperialism, everything is. terrorism is - nelson mandela was unambiguously justified even though he would have been comfortable doing terrible things. it doesn't mean i need to be morally comfortable with terrorism, just appreciative that in the face of state terror was both necessary and justified, unfortunately. Mr Phillby posted:I too think this thread gets un-comradely when scotland comes up sometimes but I'd rather scotpol stuff gets posted here so I can read it. oh i have, i think it's fair to say always preferred scotland. i tried very hard to go to uni there just this year, even, simply because even though i thought the timeline was unlikely i'd love another passport. i suspect i will always have an affection for it on a personal level, and consider it a shame i never wound up living up there. oh well.
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Jan 23, 2021 04:08
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and the londoners who aren't shitheads it's sad because there was so much potential for us to do stuff together, it could have been very good 
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Jan 23, 2021 04:15
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and politely - no one comes in here and goes "oh man english nationalism is so great/ethical" for reasons that seem extremely self evident. i talk about english nationalism or unionism in a negative way whenever they come up, as i happily will now it sucks rear end and is very funny sometimes, i have described the conservative party as an english nationalist party on numerous occasions and it is hard to describe starmer's labour as much anything else. i will also talk your ear off about the negatives of canadian nationalism, as clear a settlerist tumour on the planet that there ever was. it was ever thus.
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Jan 23, 2021 04:15
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lol come to think about it, a thoroughly left wing government right now would be the one thing that could hold the country together
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Jan 23, 2021 04:23
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as it is though these will be our last years together bring in games to play and we can all go home at lunch time
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Jan 23, 2021 04:24
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crispix posted:as it is though these will be our last years together it definitely has a surreal, twilight of the united kingdom feel right now huh? shame.
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Jan 23, 2021 04:26
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Sorry to keep saying it but as a NI person the break up of the UK was always seen as inevitable here, eventually. The government of the UK voluntarily committing economic and political suicide in front of the entire world was however unexpected and will massively accellerate the inevitable
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Jan 23, 2021 04:29
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crispix posted:and any sentient being who is aware of an imbalance of power against them on this mortal coil has every right for to kick off imo oh goody, I'll tell my fellow porridge goblins that you've given us the nod.
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Jan 23, 2021 04:36
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i really don't understand what you're talking about
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Jan 23, 2021 04:37
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On a personal level, codeine is how WhatEvil describes it. just loving lovely. On a more general level, my grand-dad was from cork, so i think I can apply for an IE/EUpassport if i can find the right paperwork on a ScotPol level, i am glad it gets posted itt, but at the same time tho i hate the smug loving snp voters, saying any day we will get independence (although i understand it). you were lied to in the last referendum. "the only chance to remain in the EU is with the UK". get over it. every voter is lied to. That is why england votes tory.
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Jan 23, 2021 04:40
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If your granda was born on the island of Ireland you are entitled to Irish citizenship and yes I lived in Edinburgh for 5 years encompassing the entire referendum and it was insufferable
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and to contribute belatedly to the drugs chat there i have only ever done alcohol (in the form of ale and very occasionally wine) and i had morphine for the first time last March when i had to gan till A&E with a prolapsed lumbar disc and it made the waiting room i had spend 2 hours in prior very much more hospitable of a place and it took on a pink and peach hue and became very much warmer and suddenly very welcoming and fuzzy
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crispix posted:and to contribute belatedly to the drugs chat there i have only ever done alcohol (in the form of ale and very occasionally wine) and i had morphine for the first time last March when i had to gan till A&E with a prolapsed lumbar disc and it made the waiting room i had spend 2 hours in prior very much more hospitable of a place and it took on a pink and peach hue and became very much warmer and suddenly very welcoming and fuzzy Got any Morphine pills left??? pm me I remember being on zomorph and oromorph after the last op. The oromorph the nurse would give you then gently caress off. The slow-release zomorph pill, she made sure u swallowed it before leaving. My dad has i think all the paperwork i need for an ie passport. just need to set the wheels in motion.
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You should be entitled to Irish citizenship, mate, i sent you the forms there
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Jan 23, 2021 05:33
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crispix posted:You should be entitled to Irish citizenship, mate, i sent you the forms there cheers mate, have pm'ed you
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Jan 23, 2021 05:43
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I mean there's also the fact that this is the UKMT, and Scotland is part of the UK. Most of the time when the diversions go north of the border, it's because someone discusses something Labour should do, the scots emerge to point out how it won't work because of Scottish issues, one particular group of posters gets pissy and tells them to shut up, someone calls someone else racist, and we end up not discussing the issues facing just under a third of the landmass we live on. I'm English by the way but I don't get the scotpol hate.
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After Brexit looked inevitable I scoured my family tree for any Irish or Italian ancestry and came up blank so I'm jealous. All my predecessors lived in the same lovely corner of England for generations unfortunately
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Bobby Deluxe posted:I mean there's also the fact that this is the UKMT, and Scotland is part of the UK. why's the landmass important
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