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BiggerBoat posted:I haven't watched it but the idea of an adaptation of The Stand with no real scale or "weight to anything" is incredibly hard to imagine. It's been a while since I did my second reading of the book but, holy poo poo, isn't scale, weight and how that motivates characters over an entire continent with dreamlike visions the entire motherfucking point? I think starting the show in the middle of the book is a big part of why it sucks. To me, so much of The Stand is following these characters from the collapse of society as they journey across the country to one camp or another, what they see, how it changes them, the world building as they come together. To have it kick off by basically saying "boy those sure were some weird dreams we had after the plague killed everyone, but at least we're all here in Colorado now" is just nonsense.
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Same for me. A huge part of why I loved The Stand was the build up. You got to experience a wide variety of characters dealing with the world going to poo poo around them, the changes they had to go through to survive, casting off parts of themselves and adopt new aspects out of necessity, etc. That's lost in this adaptation, and the flashbacks aren't a substitute. Instead of 'this is how they are' and watching them change it's now 'this is how they are' and also they were regular people like you once but we're only showing you snippets of that. It loses a huge part of what was The Stand for me. A relatability thing or something.
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joepinetree posted:Perhaps because I was never big on the stand, but I don't think this adaptation is that bad. It's very network TV, but entertaining enough. In fact, I think Harold and Tom Cullen are better in the show than in the book. I've heard those 2 actors were highlights but all the reasons they seem to be loving up The Stand revolve around them not understanding what's good about the source material, what makes it work and why people like it. Skipping around the timeline would seem to undo any tension or uncertainty that any given character might face going up against The End of the loving World where 99% of people are dead and Revelations seems real but maybe that's just me. I want The Long Walk (which I could make for 10 grand or turn into a play) and also some more Netflix adaptations. Gerald's Game and 1922 were both quite good. I haven't seen In the Tall Grass. The Berzerker posted:I think starting the show in the middle of the book is a big part of why it sucks. To me, so much of The Stand is following these characters from the collapse of society as they journey across the country to one camp or another, what they see, how it changes them, the world building as they come together. To have it kick off by basically saying "boy those sure were some weird dreams we had after the plague killed everyone, but at least we're all here in Colorado now" is just nonsense. Exactly. I've read the book twice and if I already knew how everyone turned out, who survived, went where and what role they wound up playing in the post apocalypse, I don't see how you build narrative tension at all. Or motivation for that matter. Only reason my second read worked, aside from the masterful writing, was because it had been 30 years since I'd read it and didn't remember how it all shook out. The book starts out with a blast (the killer flu) but from there it's a bit of a procedural slow burn with a lot of character development. Starting in the middle fucks all that up I would think. BiggerBoat fucked around with this message at 22:05 on Jan 15, 2021 |
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Get ready https://twitter.com/EricVespe/status/1350161689619144708?s=19
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nate fisher posted:
He's the psycho kid in Locke and Key too! He's got a type and he does it well!
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joepinetree posted:Perhaps because I was never big on the stand, but I don't think this adaptation is that bad. It's very network TV, but entertaining enough. In fact, I think Harold and Tom Cullen are better in the show than in the book. Poor Nat Wolff. He played Light Yagami in the terrible American Death Note movie.
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I was just about to ask where the hell the Trashcan Man was, as he's so integral to the plot. Hell, Floyd's character doesn't even really work without having Trashcan as the other right hand man he's jealous of.
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Today I was talking about a buffet place I used to go to which isn't open anymore and may never exist again and I used the phrase "The world moved on." I am very embarrassed.
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The Stand is my favorite book of all time and I've read it north of a dozen times by now (from the mid 90s until the early 00s I read it every single summer). The fact that there's a "big" budget adaptation dropping a new episode every week and the most I can muster is "oh yeah, I forgot about that. I'll go through a Hannibal episode or two first" says a lot, I guessTeriyaki Hairpiece posted:Today I was talking about a buffet place I used to go to which isn't open anymore and may never exist again and I used the phrase "The world moved on." I am very embarrassed. the older I get, the better a phrase "the world has moved on" becomes.
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Part of the embarrassment was from using a line from multiple Stephen King books, the largest chunk of embarrassment was using a line that is used in those books to describe the continuous rusting and falling apart of civilization and maybe the Universe to describe the possible end of buffet restaurants. It's not that serious.
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Teriyaki Hairpiece posted:Part of the embarrassment was from using a line from multiple Stephen King books, the largest chunk of embarrassment was using a line that is used in those books to describe the continuous rusting and falling apart of civilization and maybe the Universe to describe the possible end of buffet restaurants. It's not that serious. On the other hand, Roland being confused at Golden Corral would have fit in the movie very well
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Roland's very concerned about Golden Corral until he discovers they have Pepsi products, and then he's really okay.
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Jan 19, 2021 21:38
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I have forgotten the can of my soda.
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Roland get your face out of the chocolate fountain!
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I hope Harold still gets to go by Hawk, or a potentially more silly name.
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Had a weird coincidence the other day. On my daily walk I've been listening to the audiobook for The Green Mile and I stopped at the part right after Del's execution. I turn on the TV and the movie is on at exactly the same place.
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Mister Kingdom posted:Had a weird coincidence the other day. On my daily walk I've been listening to the audiobook for The Green Mile and I stopped at the part right after Del's execution. I turn on the TV and the movie is on at exactly the same place. Sorcery is afoot in the world. I've been rewatching Psych lately, and the other day the episode that was up was the Clue inspired episode. Watched that, then went to watch the newest episode of the Goldbergs and it was...a Clue inspired episode. Please help I don't know what to do with these powers
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Oh no, this character whose name I barely knew and had almost 10 whole seconds of screen time got shot in the face, and this other character who's been on screen for five whole minutes got blown up.
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Stephen gets mad at Kubrick’s take of the Shining but praises this new Stand pile of garbage. New Trashcan Man is almost powerful enough to make me fast forward.
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That's because the new Stand isn't openly critical of King himself.
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You can't really take King's praise for any of his adaptations seriously because A) he raves about all of them, and B) he wrote and produced the 97 Shining.
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This Stand miniseries sure is something. I was still kind of on board until we got to the casino which is full of people in their underwear humping each other with big smiles on their faces.
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I don't remember a lovely King adaptation the man hasn't endorsed in the past decade. I think at this point it's safe to say King would shill for any King related product as long as it's not the one that outshone (lol) his own work. Given how little respect some of these adaptations have shown to the source material it's pretty silly for king to claim his views on the shining have anything to do with artistic disagreement, he was just prissy that Kubrik was a celebrated director that made a movie that was more culturally significant than the novel it was based on.
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emanresu tnuocca posted:I don't remember a lovely King adaptation the man hasn't endorsed in the past decade. I think at this point it's safe to say King would shill for any King related product as long as it's not the one that outshone (lol) his own work. Nah, given that he himself recommends it in ON WRITING. It's easy to see why King has a personal connection to that story though, and why it annoyed him that Kubrick jettisoned all that. As well as reducing Wendy to shrill passivity. He's just doing the glad handing that James Cameron does every time they roll out a new Terminator movie. He praised UNDER THE DOME too (and wrote on it) until fairly recently when he was like yeah that show wasn't very good. Plus he's writing the last episode of this so what else is he going to say? Authors don't tend to get pissy in public about adaptations before they come out, it's bad for business. This is literally how E.L. James got to write the script for FIFTY SHADES OF GRAY and how she managed to get her husband - who isn't a writer - the job of writing the sequels: by threatening to bad mouth them until they caved.
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I have no idea what that was.emanresu tnuocca posted:I don't remember a lovely King adaptation the man hasn't endorsed in the past decade. I think at this point it's safe to say King would shill for any King related product as long as it's not the one that outshone (lol) his own work. Yeah, Im not buying this read. King made a very personal book about redemption and overcoming addiction as he was going through his own thing, a great director gets it and...turns it into a movie about succumbing to addiction and leaving your family. Theres no ultra read or mystery of why he wouldn't like the movie beyond the obvious necessary.
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Darko posted:I have no idea what that was. Yeah, the shining is perhaps the most personal of all the stories King has ever written. Not just about addiction, but about being a father: quote:"Sometimes you confess. You always hide what you're confessing to. That's one of the reasons why you make up the story. When I wrote The Shining, for instance, the protagonist of The Shining is a man who has broken his son's arm, who has a history of child beating, who is beaten himself. And as a young father with two children, I was horrified by my occasional feelings of real antagonism toward my children. Won't you ever stop? Won't you ever go to bed? And time has given me the idea that probably there are a lot of young fathers and young mothers both who feel very angry, who have angry feelings toward their children. But as somebody who has been raised with the idea that father knows best and Ward Cleaver on 'Leave It To Beaver,' and all this stuff, I would think to myself, Oh, if he doesn't shut up, if he doesn't shut up... So when I wrote this book I wrote a lot of that down and tried to get it out of my system, but it was also a confession. Yes, there are times when I felt very angry toward my children and have even felt as though I could hurt them. Well, my kids are older now. Naomi is fifteen and Joey is thirteen and Owen is eight, and they're all super kids, and I don't think I've laid a hand on one of my kids in probably seven years, but there was a time..." https://constantreaders.org/home/2018/8/16/the-shining-book-essay-blk-stg-stephen-king Like, of course he doesn't give a gently caress that under the dome was terrible or that the lawnmower man had nothing to do with the story. Those are just stories. But the story that he explicitly wrote to be about addiction and about his own conflicting feelings about being a young father will of course be different. And not only is there a difference in terms of whether Jack resisted or succumbed to addiction, but also the relationship to his kids.
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Yeah of all the King books, The Shining is the most "write a novel because your Doctor told you to"
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Stevesy hates sex and he really hates fat people but he knows what's going on with the mind of an addict. Like he really understands addiction in a way you wouldn't expect from a purveyor of Spooky Stories. Really addiction is the scariest thing more than vampires or haunted houses and Stevesy gets that
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The Shining the book is Stephen King going "guys I'm kind of a bad person I think" and The Shining the movie is Stanley Kubrick going "yeah, you really loving are a bad person."
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Or "I realize I'm a bad person and trying to improve" vs. "you're always poo poo, forever. Die."
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Baron von Eevl posted:The Shining the book is Stephen King going "guys I'm kind of a bad person I think" This is exactly what makes chapter with Jack on the roof, thinking about George Hatfield, so loving good. God i am not a son of a bitch. Please. edit - what the poo poo was this last episode of the stand, oh my god Eason the Fifth fucked around with this message at 07:23 on Jan 23, 2021 |
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Lloyd walking thru the casino with his group of lackeys and the random shots of the most unsexual orgy ever put to film has to be one of the worst things I have watched in quite awhile. It is so bad. Also my biggest shock is how bad they did Nick, who was a great character in the book. Eliminating his backstory(especially his relationship with the sheriff) and giving him very limited screen time just made him into a side character who never matter. Trashcan Man? I’m so pissed over the other stuff they got wrong, that I’m fine with this out of bounds take on the character. Worst recent adaptation?
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nate fisher posted:the most unsexual orgy ever put to film THANK YOU
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How do they keep loving this up? What is arguably King's greatest book? OK, I guess it's a complicated novel. But we still don't have even one attempt of what is also arguably his greatest book that's an incredibly uncomplicated novel which could be filmed on a shoestring budget? The Long Walk I'd be surprised if anyone took another shot at The Stand for next 25 years.
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Baron von Eevl posted:The Shining the book is Stephen King going "guys I'm kind of a bad person I think" and The Shining the movie is Stanley Kubrick going "yeah, you really loving are a bad person." It's fair for King to have and hold dear his catharsis novel about addiction, the fallibility of fathers, insecurity about your talent, etc. but it's also fair for someone else's interpretation to be that there are some things that you never get to decouple from the inherent parts of who you are regardless of how much "growth" you undergo, oh and by the way your talent means piss all if you allow it to be the thing that drives you towards harmful rationalizations. Not saying the the adaptation is a direct indictment of King (it could be, IDK, I've not read up on the tensions between him and Kubrick) but that's just art. It's your kid, not your pet, and it's going to maybe interact with the world in ways that are uncomfortable for the creator. All part of the game. BiggerBoat posted:How do they keep loving this up? What is arguably King's greatest book? OK, I guess it's a complicated novel. Someone will try again when King dies. It'd be a good thing for a streaming service to pick up and run for 3-4 seasons, just pared down a bit.
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Finally watched It chapter I and I was really impressed. Did chapter II really gently caress it up that badly?
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Pope Corky the IX posted:Finally watched It chapter I and I was really impressed. Did chapter II really gently caress it up that badly? Yes. Yes it did.
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