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Continuity NIP posted:Labour is never getting another good MP or councilor lol As far as I can tell they haven't been getting any for like 20 years anyway
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Tarnop posted:Priti Patel has a serious brain injury found some important analysis in the replies, think this is what she was trying to say https://twitter.com/pete_tonkin/status/1352627544034594819
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forkboy84 posted:Nationalism is a disease, but weirdly they never seem very fussed by British nationalism, at least not to the same degree. You certainly don't see British nationalist politicians Photoshopped poorly onto the cover of Mein Kampf, like Kieth or Priti Patel. Just a funny oversight I'm sure. yeah you never see any criticism of Starmer or the Tories in this thread 
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serious gaylord posted:Theres some big brains in here and I was hoping you could help me with the ICO data protection fee. We had the letter and I've just decided to pay it rather than waste my time figuring it out. It's deliberately vague, the "are you exempt" checklist basically needs you to know every definition of "data", "processing" etc. before you start, they won't tell you. If you use computers, names and addresses there's probably some loophole they'll decide you're liable for and stick a fine in the post. Think I've only got a week to do it, hope I don't forget again.
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Jan 23, 2021 14:26
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Julio Cruz posted:yeah you never see any criticism of Starmer or the Tories in this thread Yeah but they're just poo poo, aren't they? Windrush? poo poo. Trump's wall? poo poo. Uyghurs being put in concentration camps? poo poo. Saudi Arabia bombing Yemen? poo poo. "Nationalism is a disease" is a unique meme in the thread that only ever needs to be mentioned when the uniquely depraved Scot rears his ugly head. Any other evils in the world that could be attributed to nationalism aren't. And Scotland doesn't have to perform any particular evils for it to be mentioned, no one was talking about putting concentration camps on Orkney or rebuilding Hadrian's wall or bombing Rockall. All it took was mentioning a topic relating to Scotland for us to be once again reminded of how uniquely diseased we are. No one responds to a post about Boris Johnson's many illegitimate children with "Nationalism is a disease." feedmegin posted:No Sealed Knot equivalent up there then? I mean I expect most people in England to have at least heard of Cavaliers and Roundheads. Closest would've been the stuff with Bonnie Prince Charlie and that was after we joined the UK.
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Lungboy posted:I don't think so but don't know for sure. Did your dad do the formal citizen bit before or after you were born? If before then I think you can use his rather than your grandmother which should simplify it. Long after. He only found out his mum was Irish in the early 2000s when adoption records were briefly opened up.
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The reason for "nationalism is a disease" is an expression of the fact that it explicitly poisons left wing politics when you try to inject it into it. Also, like, the thread actually does complain about the loving delusional belief of britnats to loving love the tories and idolize this nonexistent past of the UK, like a lot. Like that delusion is literally the majority of the tory platform, appealing to idiots with their brains half melted who just want to loving clap like seals and wave flags and lick the queen or whatever the gently caress else they do. It is literally nauseating, I do not have the words to describe the level of disgust I feel knowing that I am probably in close proximity to people like that at any given time. But while I could make the thread an ongoing diary of my inability to process my emotional response to having to interact with other people or even conceptualize them that would make my posts even more unreadable than they are so you mostly get that when I am too angry not to do it, I try to find other things to post about the rest of the time. OwlFancier fucked around with this message at 14:45 on Jan 23, 2021 |
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Shyrka posted:All it took was mentioning a topic relating to Scotland for us to be once again reminded of how uniquely diseased we are. Also nationalism is a disease except when you want to do wacky ironic quasi-racist belittling of Scottish people, then nationalism is juuuuuuust fine.
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A bit of USPOL spilling out into our interests: https://twitter.com/swin24/status/1352766592334102528 If only.
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I thought MyPillow was a joke about trumpkins and anime body pillows and trump waifus at first, but reality continues to be dumber than anything else.
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The entirety of brexit is a pretty great example of nationalism melting brains, especially as it seeped from being rhetoric by the tory party into their actual beliefs causing them to buy into the idea that Britain is the protagonist of the world and wondering why anyone would act in any way that didn't serve Britians best interests, including foreign states.
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sassassin posted:We had the letter and I've just decided to pay it rather than waste my time figuring it out. It's deliberately vague, the "are you exempt" checklist basically needs you to know every definition of "data", "processing" etc. before you start, they won't tell you. If you use computers, names and addresses there's probably some loophole they'll decide you're liable for and stick a fine in the post. Thats exactly how I feel. Its so deliberately vaguely worded that Im sure i'd fall foul of something. Easy way to get 40 quid though.
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Jan 23, 2021 15:08
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Blueshirt posted:Also nationalism is a disease except when you want to do wacky ironic quasi-racist belittling of Scottish people, then nationalism is juuuuuuust fine. Someone in this very thread compared Scotland to Palestine, if that's not loving Grade A Farage-strain brainworms going on I don't know what is.
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Resignations from Senedd: Welsh Tory Leader & Chief Whip: https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/jan/23/welsh-tory-leader-paul-davies-resigns-drinking-during-alcohol-ban quote:The leader of the Conservatives in the Welsh parliament has quit after he was seen drinking in the Senedd during a pub alcohol ban. Our tory AM was also involved but not mentioned in the article.
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OwlFancier posted:(I think the point is there are people in the UK who are on a different landmass) Scotland is a large part of the UK, and even if the population size isn't that huge, the pressure the SNP exerts on Labour is a significant factor every single election. To understand the SNP you need to understand the parties they're under pressure from. Otherwise yes, Scotland becomes a black box, unknowable apart from the usual posters trying to sellotape a note to it that says 'racist, do not touch.' I get increasingly frustrated when listening to the pod and Elijah and James have to apologise for briefly going into scotpol stuff, because I find it interesting, and it helps me understand that aspect of UK politics. It's just weird that there's a core of posters who have turned 'oh god not scotpol' into a meme and come out the other side seeming to genuinely hate anyone discussing it. crispix posted:and yes I lived in Edinburgh for 5 years encompassing the entire referendum and it was insufferable Bobby Deluxe fucked around with this message at 15:35 on Jan 23, 2021 |
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goddamnedtwisto posted:Someone in this very thread compared Scotland to Palestine, if that's not loving Grade A Farage-strain brainworms going on I don't know what is. No one did that, someone simply asked why "Nationalism is a disease," doesn't get trotted out to shut down discussion of Palestine. Fine if there's a set level of oppression that must be met before nationalism is acceptable which Palestine meets and Scotland doesn't, that's at least intellectually honest, no one's criticising that. I'm not going to dig down and ask where you set the level because it's an emotive subject and we're not robots. Like genuinely I don't give a poo poo if you think Scotland should or shouldn't be independent or if you want Ireland to rejoin the UK or if you want NI to join Ireland by 2024 for the Star Trek memes. I'm just loving sick of being told how diseased I am every time Scotland gets mentioned in this thread.
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TACD posted:She’d do great on Just A Minute repetition of "across the world" in the first 10 seconds 
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The independence referendum was an absolutely great time and honestly I felt like the whole thing broke through the alienated apathetic drudgery that formal politics often is in the UK and energised people (particularly young people) in a way that felt a lot like what corbyn later did for the rest of the country. It was really vibrant and everyone had an opinion and it felt like suddenly there was something to maybe feel positive about and a visible route to making things that little bit better. Whether in practice any of it would have worked out like that doesn't really matter, it was such an important thing for getting people to think about and articulate a vision for what we could be rather than just miserably complaining about what we are. Granted I did live in Glasgow and most pro indy people I knew were socialists first, the scary actual nationalists were always weirdos. I can imagine other parts of Scotland had a much different tone. Still, it's important for English posters to recognise that support for independence and nationalism are not the same thing, because as others have said this thread really does have a huge issue with knee jerk responses to everything Scotland.
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More of the Grate Brexit Dividend: Yes we have no bananas: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-tariffs-bananas-africa-farmers-b1791225.html quote:At least £100,000 of tariffs have been slapped on Fairtrade bananas from Africa because of Brexit, prompting mounting anger that farmers face ruin. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_hF05ik5TFQ
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And support for brexit wasn't necessarily support for farage/tories, but that was clearly going to be the most likely outcome regardless of why you personally might have voted for it, so your personal identity does not override the effect of your decision.
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Jaeluni Asjil posted:More of the Grate Brexit Dividend: but at least the bananas we don't have are bendy! TWO WORLD WARS AND ONE WORLD CUP ENGERLUND
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Scotland is part of the U.K. and this is the U.K. thread. If people have an issue with people talking about Scottish politics in the U.K. thread then I find that very weird and those posters should have a word with themselves. Scottish nationalism is also an entirely different phenomenon to something like white or English nationalism when talked about in the context of this thread. Nation states are bad generally but they don’t seem to be going anywhere soon and Scottish nationalism has become the phrase for support of Scottish independence - sure that might kinda suck that it has this word nationalism attached but let’s not pretend it’s the same as the nationalism of England or Britain as a whole.
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The potential outcome of the indyref was never as clear as 'Brexit led by Tories will be a car crash', and there was a huge amount of radical interest, including within the political system itself. The SNP is poo poo a lot of the time but it does have a left wing, not to mention that independence would have almost certainly meant it would fracture after probably a single triumphal term in charge. Compared to the UK c2014 the idea offered a lot of hope and material potential compared to staying put. Comparing it with the Brexit referendum is really dishonest, they were not at all like for like.
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Jose posted:Lol the general secretary can just rule our a candidate i'll bet they'll be really top quality people like forensic keir there with the article in GQ about him being able to take minutes at a meeting and not poo poo himself or whatever Bobby Deluxe posted:Oh sweet, my wife's gran is Irish. I'll see if she can apply and then green card myself in. Is that possible? (I know there'll be a long wait). yeah i think your wife qualifies to be Irish. they will be very busy, yeah :/ it's going to be interesting in coming years to see how much of the diaspora discovers their heritage due to brexit lol if people start moving back the island will need more facilities i shouldn't wonder, they're not great as it is crispix fucked around with this message at 16:10 on Jan 23, 2021 |
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ThomasPaine posted:The independence referendum was an absolutely great time and honestly I felt like the whole thing broke through the alienated apathetic drudgery that formal politics often is in the UK and energised people (particularly young people) in a way that felt a lot like what corbyn later did for the rest of the country. It was really vibrant and everyone had an opinion and it felt like suddenly there was something to maybe feel positive about and a visible route to making things that little bit better. Whether in practice any of it would have worked out like that doesn't really matter, it was such an important thing for getting people to think about and articulate a vision for what we could be rather than just miserably complaining about what we are. This is so true, there was a real feeling of political engagement in the months leading up to the independence referendum but as is often the case it kinda brought out the worst in people. I personally didn't vote either way because I just didn't feel informed enough to know what was the right decision - that and pushy family members insisting we voted for independence without any real explanation or breakdown on why. Not gonna lie though, was a little big cringey to see all those "45%" badges and facebook profile photos for months afterwards .
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Everytime I see the thread decide to push away Scotland issues (particularly when it relates to Independence) I get the feeling that if these forums had been around in the 1910's, they'd be saying the same thing around Ireland. Also more posters would have huge moustaches.
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I have already pointed out the inherently predatory nature of the independence movement on left wing UK wide governments as a whole, so I do not at all believe in its supposed left wing or internationalist credentials. Nor do I feel any differently about the new NIP chancers either. I'm sure both are very good news for the politicans and people who aspire to be in charge of them and I see no reason why they would be any good for the rest of us, opportunities to hoard vaccines from the despicable southerners aside.
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The Question IRL posted:Everytime I see the thread decide to push away Scotland issues (particularly when it relates to Independence) I get the feeling that if these forums had been around in the 1910's, they'd be saying the same thing around Ireland. But they’d be bad twirly hipster ones instead of the much cooler hulk hogan style
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JollyBoyJohn posted:This is so true, there was a real feeling of political engagement in the months leading up to the independence referendum but as is often the case it kinda brought out the worst in people. The most vivid memory i carry from the time was walking through the meadows - just coming up to the hill where the university is - and there were two gentlemen there having an argument. They looked to be in their 60s and were very well dressed. One had a sort of Morningside accent and the other sounded like he was from somewhere in the home counties. I'd heard the voices raising as I'd been approaching for a good few minutes. They were arguing about what would happen to the nuclear weapons after independence (lol). Anyway just as I was walking past one of them took the strap of his little man bag thing off his shoulder and swung it round to belt the other with it. Then the other one took off his hat and sort of went to hit the other with it, and then they sort of locked arms and scuffled and sort of spun around a bit there were Yes campaign people who had been giving out the little blue book things at a table across the road who ran over to intervene but i just stood there watching and having the best laugh i'd had in years hehehehehhehe i think that was the day before the vote
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TACD posted:She’d do great on Just A Minute Um on the 11th word and repetition on the 13th she'd be terrible.
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crispix posted:
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ThomasPaine posted:The potential outcome of the indyref was never as clear as 'Brexit led by Tories will be a car crash', and there was a huge amount of radical interest, including within the political system itself. The SNP is poo poo a lot of the time but it does have a left wing, not to mention that independence would have almost certainly meant it would fracture after probably a single triumphal term in charge. Compared to the UK c2014 the idea offered a lot of hope and material potential compared to staying put. Comparing it with the Brexit referendum is really dishonest, they were not at all like for like. It did reduce the Leave vote, as desired, but not as much as desired, leaving the Leaving to be conducted entirely on a mandate of Global Britane, people who thought that Brussels was to blame for British Pakistanis, and quasi-fash exceptionalism. If there'd been a significant minor section of people pushing for an outspoken anti-racist anti-european Brexit the narrative might have looked different. thespaceinvader posted:Um on the 11th word and repetition on the 13th she'd be terrible.
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I don't think the narrative made any difference when the people with the actual power to negotiate were the far right of the conservative party and were always going to be. And also lol there are virtually no actual people in the UK who oppose the EU because it's too racist.
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Guavanaut posted:I can't help but wonder if the aggressive silencing of all the people pointing out that the EU was a eurocentric racist shitshow with 'Brexit led by Tories will be a car crash' was in part self fulfilling. Absolutely, and Labour would have won if they'd realised that
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OwlFancier posted:And also lol there are virtually no actual people in the UK who oppose the EU because it's too racist. i do and they bullied the Greeks 
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Yes and I do too but what we think makes absolutely no difference because there is no popular support for that position and certainly no institutional support for it even if there was.
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Julio Cruz posted:yeah you never see any criticism of Starmer or the Tories in this thread Not what I said you plank. I said you don't see them criticised for their British nationalism specifically. Which they absolutely, indisputably are, BritNats. Nationalism is poo poo but frankly if nationalism is what it takes to stop being governed by inbred Etonian twats I will make alliance with nationalists in the short-term. Lest we forget, I put aside Scottish independence after the referendum & went all in one Corbyn. Didn't really work out so gently caress it, burn this union to the ground. Ideally there'd be an added bonus that weird people who still think that Britannia Rules The Waves will get a stark realisation of Britain's actual place in the 21st century but lol.
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