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this sounds terrible
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# ? Jan 23, 2021 03:56 |
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# ? May 27, 2024 20:02 |
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indigi posted:this sounds terrible it may not be a perfect system, but it's still the best one there is.
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# ? Jan 23, 2021 03:58 |
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When I did a couple root canal in GZ 10 years ago it was cheap as gently caress. It was like a couple hundreds RMB. Here in the US you would have to pay $300 just for the copay. And you probably have to spread it out to 2 years because your health insurance can't cover it.
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# ? Jan 23, 2021 03:59 |
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yeah it's generally a lot cheaper than american healthcare prices. i went in to see a dermatologist a year ago and got diagnosed with shingles, they prescribed me some antivirals and other stuff, like 4 different medicines. total bill including the medicines was about $25
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# ? Jan 23, 2021 04:03 |
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fart simpson posted:the normal insurance here is like a subsidized health savings account and generally you have to pay up front or they won’t treat you. I forgot to mention this, the most important part, lol. You pay up front. If you can't, you die. Far worse than the US healthcare system in that specific regard. Here, at least they have to pretend to treat you before shoving you out the door if you show up at the ER.... even if it usually happens on the brink of death because you typically couldn't afford prevention. That's an improvement, although debt is a separate issue. A 17 year old streamer kid recently died in China, of malnutrition and from complications from diabetes type 1. They were super poor and abandoned by their family in early childhood after the parents divorced. The streamer kid tried to raise crowd funding on shuidichou.com to pay for their diabetes treatment. But in order to qualify they would have had to provide paperwork up front documenting their condition, which required a doctor visit, which they could not afford in the first place. A whole bunch of people were sad when they died. Happy Thread has issued a correction as of 04:18 on Jan 23, 2021 |
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indigi posted:this sounds terrible "Paying up front" usually means a very modest (i.e. less than 10RMB/USD$2) "registration" fee. For the vast majority of people the barriers to access primary care are low enough as to not really be much of an issue at least in momentary terms, the bigger barrier is that because the fee is so low, "good" urban hospitals are very busy. Most things are pretty cheap because the system is either subsidized or entirely owned by the state in one way or another e.g. a lot of hospitals are run by the PLA or some large SOE or university, although that's not so different from the US. There are lots of issues that are sort of idiosyncratic to this system, e.g. the doctors and hospital for the most part don't make any money on consultations, so they make money by prescribing massive amounts of drugs that have higher profit margins at the hospital pharmacy. I guess the item with the highest amount of profit are plastic IV bags and saline solution because every single drug or treatment comes in the form of an IV drip and hospitals just have whole floors with rows and rows of nothing but infusion stations which is pretty weird to a westerner. I've never had an IV for anything in my life in the west but in China it's normal to get an infusion for a mild cold. The whole process to see a doctor and get treatment is pretty streamlined and efficient if you are willing to advocate for yourself or have friends/relatives who can. My Chinese family and spouse actually find western healthcare systems ridiculously and frustratingly inefficient because although we've always either lived in western countries with universal healthcare or otherwise had the best employer provided insurance money could buy, every single god drat thing requires an appointment and authorization from 3 levels of administration, which, along with fancier offices and more nurses doing busywork, seems to take up much of the difference in cost. Whereas in China you just showed up, paid the modest fee and got to see someone right away. Most of them vastly preferred the Chinese system at least for fairly uncomplicated and common healthcare needs.
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# ? Jan 23, 2021 04:46 |
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Throatwarbler posted:"Paying up front" usually means a very modest (i.e. less than 10RMB/USD$2) "registration" fee. Ehhh, I dunno. For minor unimportant things sure, this is true. And it's great, way better than the US system, I get my Sudafed when my nose gets all jacked up from the air and it costs next to nothing, and involves almost no wait. But serious things, life or death things, can get really expensive. Especially expensive on a Chinese not-Shanghai or something wage. I had a friend who recently had a stroke (he's quite old, he's fine but you know) and it very quickly required thousands, up front at the city people's hospital. It was affordable to him on an expat wage but many of my friends who are recent college grads are making about 3000 a month. A whole lot of people are making far less than that. Happy Thread posted:A 17 year old streamer kid recently died in China, of malnutrition and from complications from diabetes type 1. They were super poor and abandoned by their family in early childhood after the parents divorced. The streamer kid tried to raise crowd funding on shuidichou.com to pay for their diabetes treatment. But in order to qualify they would have had to provide paperwork up front documenting their condition, which required a doctor visit, which they could not afford in the first place. A whole bunch of people were sad when they died. My girlfriend's neighbor died from almost exactly this just about two months ago, except type 2 diabetes and there were further complications from other recent medical things. If I had to guess I don't think that family could have been making more than 2k a month, and the complications led to the costs getting out of hand, she couldn't manage it properly, and then she died. It was a very brutal death, her children screaming, the whole neighborhood watching as they try to revive her, etc. But, the point is, there is a huge portion of China making very little money who cant actually afford to pay up front for anything serious. In a lot of ways it's better than the hellscape US system, but that's not a very high standard. Korean healthcare is better. By a lot.
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# ? Jan 23, 2021 05:49 |
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Taiwan healthcare #1
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# ? Jan 23, 2021 11:50 |
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https://twitter.com/AnonJoxter/status/1352825410283855872 isn't Hong Kong hermit a goon?
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# ? Jan 23, 2021 15:41 |
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Chomskyan posted:isn't Hong Kong hermit a goon? Probably a moderator tbh
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# ? Jan 23, 2021 15:53 |
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sincx has issued a correction as of 05:32 on Mar 23, 2021 |
# ? Jan 23, 2021 17:34 |
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Ferrinus posted:i'm always torn between blaming the fall of the ussr barely/not at all on gorbachev because explaining history through the actions of important individuals is liberalism, and massively/entirely on gorbachev because he just sucks so bad gorbie was incredibly bad, immensely so, to the level he is the best point in favor of Trotsky's argument about bureaucratic degeneration imho hahaha
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# ? Jan 23, 2021 18:27 |
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Is this the same Navalny protest or a separated protest happened at the same time? https://twitter.com/mjluxmoore/status/1353036333388849152?s=20 The center must hold! https://twitter.com/mjluxmoore/status/1352976547716747270?s=20
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# ? Jan 23, 2021 18:51 |
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stephenthinkpad posted:Is this the same Navalny protest or a separated protest happened at the same time? LIb trash
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# ? Jan 23, 2021 19:11 |
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stephenthinkpad posted:Is this the same Navalny protest or a separated protest happened at the same time? I would assume they would be the same, but overall they seem moderately larger than the 2017 protests but smaller than 2011 protests. I heard about 20-40,000 in Moscow. Ardennes has issued a correction as of 19:32 on Jan 23, 2021 |
# ? Jan 23, 2021 19:19 |
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sincx has issued a correction as of 05:32 on Mar 23, 2021 |
# ? Jan 23, 2021 19:23 |
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eh, avatar seems fine. The protests are related to Navalny but all the coverage is mainly just about police brutality. It's all about pigs doing their thing and nothing about what is being protested.
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# ? Jan 23, 2021 19:30 |
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I vaguely remember someone posting in the D&D China thread with that name, but what's their deal aside from apparently being a pedo?
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# ? Jan 23, 2021 19:36 |
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Are the protests pro Navalny or anti Navalny
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# ? Jan 23, 2021 19:45 |
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Here's a thread going over the protests. I doubt this will lead to much but the amount of arrests is high. https://twitter.com/mjluxmoore/status/1352883315246821377?s=19 And a highlight of the police response. https://twitter.com/biannagolodryga/status/1353011116671168513?s=19 Not So Fast has issued a correction as of 19:53 on Jan 23, 2021 |
# ? Jan 23, 2021 19:48 |
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Can Russian goon tell me what are they yelling in the video? That twitter guy has a lot of videos. I know one of them is "Putin's thief."
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# ? Jan 23, 2021 19:58 |
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Russia appears to be entering what is known over here as the "Cool Zone" ФСБ (State Police) car getting snowballed https://2ch.hk/po/src/41636942/16114253002120.mp4 Aggressive protestors chanting FREEDOM being taken away by brave police officers https://2ch.hk/po/src/41643419/16114065692412.mp4 Beached Whale has issued a correction as of 20:14 on Jan 23, 2021 |
# ? Jan 23, 2021 20:04 |
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stephenthinkpad posted:Can Russian goon tell me what are they yelling in the video? That twitter guy has a lot of videos. I know one of them is "Putin's thief." Путин Вор ie Putin's a thief is the common one and another common motto is Россия без Путина ie Russia without Putin, тhe protests are far more anti-Putin than pro-Navalny and a lot of it stems from the 2018 pension reform. That said, going into the protests, Putin's approval rating was pretty stable in the high 60s.
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# ? Jan 23, 2021 20:06 |
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Putin vor = Putin's a thief Otpuskaj = let him go Doloj carya = Remove the czar Svobodu = freedom Zhuliki i vory 5 minut na sbory = thieves and criminals, 5 minutes to gather your things (some meme by Navalny apparently)
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# ? Jan 23, 2021 20:06 |
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Beached Whale posted:Russia appears to be entering what is known over here as the "Cool Zone" quote:Things getting very testy at the riot line with molotovs this is kyiv 2014
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# ? Jan 23, 2021 20:13 |
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Vasukhani posted:snow balled, would never waste egg Ah my mistake, thank you for clarifying!
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# ? Jan 23, 2021 20:13 |
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Beached Whale posted:Ah my mistake, thank you for clarifying! Thanks for posting the other two though! Unless we start seeing signs of the coercive apperatus joining the protestors, I'm afraid this will probably simple be supressed.
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# ? Jan 23, 2021 20:16 |
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Vasukhani posted:Thanks for posting the other two though! I can't really disagree, especially with the Duma elections this year I think Putin takes no chances
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# ? Jan 23, 2021 20:20 |
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sincx posted:let me just say again: ahahahahahhahahahahahhahahahahhahahahahhaha I'm annoyed that they specify it as 'anime titties' when that's clearly a sonic character, which is 1. furry and 2. games get yr redtexts right fool
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# ? Jan 23, 2021 20:21 |
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FBK are calling for people to come out next week too. Some chance this turns into a weekly event just like Minsk/Khabarovsk if people are emboldened enough
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# ? Jan 23, 2021 20:21 |
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are there even any communists left or is this entirely right-wing focused
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# ? Jan 23, 2021 20:23 |
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i saw some antifa flags in the crowds... young leftists support this and want a different system because right now they are getting silenced, put in prison or killed and any movement towards a freer society is preferable to socialism for oligarchs and austerity for everyone else
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# ? Jan 23, 2021 20:28 |
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Grapplejack posted:are there even any communists left or is this entirely right-wing focused Yeah, plenty, but they are mostly sitting on the sidelines because this is really a battle between Navalny (and people who just don't like Putin) supporters and the government. It is anecdotal, but a lot of people I know that are more sympathetic to the Soviet Union, also really don't like Navalny, and for good reason. Navalny is openly for privatization, lower taxes and deregulation, it would be a paradise for oligarchs.
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# ? Jan 23, 2021 20:33 |
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Grapplejack posted:are there even any communists left or is this entirely right-wing focused The leftist opposition is larger than the right in russia
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# ? Jan 23, 2021 20:34 |
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it'd be funny if navalny ended up yeltsin mk 2
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# ? Jan 23, 2021 20:36 |
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Ardennes posted:It is anecdotal, but a lot of people I know that are more sympathetic to the Soviet Union, also really don't like Navalny, and for good reason. navalny's politics are just like generic nationalist, in some way's further right than putin, who is kinda anti-political/personalistic. quote:In 2011, Navalny stated he considered himself a "nationalist democrat".[254] International media have often commented on his ambiguous but non-condemnatory stance toward ethnic Russian nationalism.[255][256] He also has been a co-organizer of the "Russian march",[257] which Radio Free Europe describes as "a parade uniting Russian nationalist groups of all stripes" and noted that Navalny had also endorsed a nationalist-led campaign called Stop Feeding the Caucasus to end federal subsidies to the Caucasian republics.[258] In 2011, Navalny defended his attendance at the march, where BBC News reported that racist slogans were chanted, saying to reporters that the rally was an outlet for anger at the government.[259][260] In a 2011 profile, The New York Times said that Navalny espoused Russian nationalist views and that he starred in a video that compared "dark-skinned Caucasus militants to cockroaches".[261] In 2011, Navalny defended riots by nationalists in a Moscow district on his blog which was sparked after a murder was blamed on a migrant.[262][263]
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# ? Jan 23, 2021 20:36 |
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Vasukhani posted:this is kyiv 2014 looking forward to all the completely wrong video and disinformation or should i say.... Dezinformatsiya
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# ? Jan 23, 2021 20:38 |
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Just cut and pasted from his 2018 Presidental party website quote:Our program includes a wide range of measures to free entrepreneurs from the pressure of the bureaucracy, security officials and monopolies. We are implementing a program to demonopolize the economy and reduce monopoly prices. We will reduce the number of regulatory bodies, and we will liquidate some of them. We will prohibit business inspections - control of operations will be transferred to an electronic form, and inspections directly at enterprises will be carried out only by a court decision if there are serious suspicions of violations. We will abolish separate tax accounting and completely switch to accounting reporting in accordance with international standards. We will prohibit the initiation of criminal cases in the case of considering the same case in the framework of a commercial dispute, as well as placing entrepreneurs in custody for economic crimes pending a verdict. quote:
quote:There are enough resources in the country to ensure high rates of economic growth and the welfare of citizens. It's just that these resources are being eaten up and plundered, and the resulting gaps in the country's economy are plugged by ever-increasing extortions from the population. It is mostly snake oil and if you read between the lines you clearly can see he wants to sell off as much of the country as humanly possible. He also wants a strict visa regime with Caucasus/Central Asian countries, but his stance on immigration isn't news. Ardennes has issued a correction as of 20:43 on Jan 23, 2021 |
# ? Jan 23, 2021 20:40 |
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if there's something that looks like a color revolution in russia, then the US intelligence services are heavily involved. whatever legitimate grievances people have will be harnessed into something that will probably destroy or weaken russia
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# ? Jan 23, 2021 20:40 |
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# ? May 27, 2024 20:02 |
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drat, that guy is no angel i'm convinced, better stay with the devil you know, the Ozero cooperative
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