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forkboy84 posted:Yes, it's a valid vote but it's also poorly understanding the electoral system. If you're the rare Irish Nationalist in Belfast East & vote Sinn Fein X you've wasted your vote. But if use your vote as intended then it'll in the end count against a 3rd DUP MLA, or a PUP MLA, whatever. I think that's showing levels of political engagement rather than about the voting system. If there's one party that's won you over or you are a tribal voter than that's what you want and putting time and thought into how less bad the others are or could be and listing that isn't how people engage with politics. The number of tactical voters has to be pretty insignificant compared to those who want to vote for the winner in any system.
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Will be pretty funny if the Tories keep flailing at the "woke left" and continue to ignore the material conditions driving independence movements. Well, maybe less "funny", more "insanely predictable"
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namesake posted:So long as it counts as a valid vote though then that's saying 'This party or I don't care who'. Not taking the time to rank a list of 5 or so when you don't really care at all isn't really a problem. yeah it can be taken as a first preference vote if there's just one X but the point is that so many people don't understand how such a simple (but very important) thing works and if those people understood how it works and why ranking in order of preference matters, and the difference it can make to the outcome of STV elections, they would probably vote differently crispix fucked around with this message at 13:34 on Jan 24, 2021 |
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Seems like they understand that they only give a poo poo about one party.
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you don't know that for sure, i think educating people about how to vote is a good thing
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lmao at this being peston finally attempting journlaism https://twitter.com/Peston/status/1353313494335164416?s=20
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you could even do it in a way thick people can understand - have mrs brown demonstrate the differences between fptp and stv voting with hilarious and bawdy anecdotes oooooh ah fell on me erse bajaysis fock nyehehehehhhh like that
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Just saw Norwegian news talking about "the English virus", sad to see divisive scotnat language making headway even here.
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crispix posted:you don't know that for sure, i think educating people about how to vote is a good thing Yeah, but one of the points of non-FPTP systems is supposed to be to stop the need for tactical voting, and requiring people to spend two hours with a ready reckoner to work out the least-bad outcome of their vote seems like the opposite. I don't actually know if there *is* a way of designing a voting system that doesn't end up with these endless edge cases - even pure PR ends up with parties (and voters) playing silly buggers with the tail end of their party lists - but I don't think you can criticise a voter if the voting system requires them to do more than decide "this is the person/party I want to represent me".
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big scary monsters posted:Just saw Norwegian news talking about "the English virus", sad to see divisive scotnat language making headway even here. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uxEtNM9au5E natIOnAlIsm IS A dIseaSe
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Jose posted:lmao at this being peston finally attempting journlaism also, i desperately wish for bojo's thumbs to just fall off, wither away, liquefy, whatever. get rid of them! i'm sick of the loving things!
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goddamnedtwisto posted:Yeah, but one of the points of non-FPTP systems is supposed to be to stop the need for tactical voting, and requiring people to spend two hours with a ready reckoner to work out the least-bad outcome of their vote seems like the opposite. i wasn't suggesting anything like that, just that if people voting in STV elections thinking it's a FPTP system knew they had the option to pick other preferences some likely would
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big scary monsters posted:I visited Ely the one time and my impressions were: lol this is not a city; why did they build this town on a swamp; I think Dave Greenfield of the Stranglers lives here?* It's a Cathedral City. It has a Cathedral. It's a nice place to go sometimes, it's a pretty good Cathedral and the area down by the river is good too.
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wooger posted:Does it? Seems no more of an issue than any other area, and the results are far more predictable. There is a grim humour to the fact that the Tories have consistently managed to equate the SNP breaking up the union with voting Labour, and the two times it's been closest to happening (indyref and now) have been under Tory rule. Partly I think because the tories make such a huge deal of it, their friends in the press follow suit, and it becomes an issue. Billboards of Alex Salmond with Gordon Brown / Ed Milliband in his pocket aren't cheap, and were well known enough for Momentum to parody them with Farage / Boris IIRC. Also geographically Scotland does take up just under a 3rd of the UK according to wikipedia . Maybe not in terms of population or vote share, but that's all land, landowners have power, and we are kind of fond of having access to their offshore gas and hiding nuclear power stations up there instead of in nice, visible English places. Even as 'empty' space it still has a huge draw on the UK overall. Also just to go back to this: OwlFancier posted:A thing I am definitely doing, yes.
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i would make voting mandatory and have classes on voting and citizenship for the children and a 24 hour learning zone ( ) channel for adults
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i find it just very sad that the youth of today will never have the experience of waking up on the sofa of a sunday morning next to a half eaten curry chips and fried rice in a foil carton and an almost empty pint glass belonging to a pub, with the television on, and the first thing that comes to mind is some newly acquired information about glaciers or gender and sexuality in victorian england
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You can have far more interesting things to wake up to if you leave youtube on autoplay.
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Vitamin P posted:Good post otherwise but good lord what do you think the livespan of human beings is? Absolute gen x erasure itt vince was actually born in 1960, according to wikipedia he's five years too old
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goddamnedtwisto posted:Yeah, but one of the points of non-FPTP systems is supposed to be to stop the need for tactical voting, and requiring people to spend two hours with a ready reckoner to work out the least-bad outcome of their vote seems like the opposite. The thing is, STV is pretty intuitive, I don't think it does take 2 hours to understand it. You just stick a 1 next to the good guys & then throw other numbers next to other parties so you can put UKIP/BNP/NF/Tories last depending on who is running in your constituency. I dunno, it feels like having a say in how your country is run is a pretty big decision & not being willing to put a tiny bit of effort in before voting is kind of irresponsible. You don't have to read every manifesto but gently caress, would be nice if people could think for 5 minutes.
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Dead Goon posted:It's a Cathedral City. My experience of Ely is "changed a train there, which was great because the train I was on had a leaky window, the only seat on board was at that leak & it was a table that was a wee pond & any time the train accelerated or decelerated a load of water ended up in my lap. Ah, privatised railways.
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OwlFancier posted:You can have far more interesting things to wake up to if you leave youtube on autoplay.
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CGI Stardust posted:desperately redefining the laws of physics so he can continue to believe the government pr team is telling him the truth about everything No I mean hes actually right on this one. It looks bloody weird but the phone is actually to the side of him, not in front, which is why it looks like its going straight down in the mirror. The picture is still staged loving garbage, but the rest of the pose is identical in the mirror, there would be no reason to photoshop it.
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Yeah, cable is headed towards the mirror forming a catenary curve, so it looks straight down but bending weirdly outwards in the mirror at the angle the camera is. All far more likely than the government putting that much effort into a photoshop with a mirror boris dressed identically but holding a phone differently.
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serious gaylord posted:No I mean hes actually right on this one. It looks bloody weird but the phone is actually to the side of him, not in front, which is why it looks like its going straight down in the mirror. It's obviously a staged photo anyway and so no reason at all to resort to photoshop. Also Pesto doesn't seem able to see that reflection of the cable running down the anti-Boris' shirt front. So much other important stuff Pesto could get worked up about, but he chooses this!
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Sloth Life posted:Can confirm. I was put on a plan because I had too many days off sick (MH not regulated by meds at that time). The plan lasted a year and I got grilled every sick day by that boss. I'm pretty sure it went on my record because it was brought up at every 121 that year. Oh, I've also had employer observation therapy. I tell them every loving time - you want me to get better, then keep the gently caress away the ones who think they mean well, or think they appear to mean well, are the worst. "oh but i'm so 'worried' for u, so not you both need to show improvement and pretend to be thankful or I'll act offendedl, twist my volume knob and start my questions from the top again" gently caress bosses, they're filth
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Guavanaut posted:Start of with dadrock and wake up to Elsa Spiderman Finger Family Final Solution. i don't know what that is but you never see finger sandwiches these days, do you
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Juche Couture posted:When I came back to work my HR asked ‘how I could avoid similar absences in the future’. Given that I’d been off with Covid and work in a hospital, I just asked if that was a serious question and if I could have the name of their supervisor, which seemed to poo poo them right up. lmao "I will avoid similar situations in the future by having lots of anti-bodies against covid. I have already taken the necessary precautions by developing these anti-bodies. Please schedule a meeting with my memory T-cells if you would like further details."
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They don’t need photoshop to fake a picture of Boris being in the phone. They just go into his office and have him hold the phone up to his fat face. E: in other news, it’s only loving snowing, lads!
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It's settling!  crispix posted:i don't know what that is but you never see finger sandwiches these days, do you 
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My apologies, I checked the Express for the latest on this major snow incident and it's not a snowpocalypse, it's THUNDERSNOW quote:Shocked residents took to Twitter, and one even thought there had been an explosion. thanks express for the twitter reckons
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serious gaylord posted:No I mean hes actually right on this one. It looks bloody weird but the phone is actually to the side of him, not in front, which is why it looks like its going straight down in the mirror.
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I still can't believe that the genuine small business advice for dealing with the border red tape is to incorporate in Europe. How about we all just incorporate in Europe. We could move the whole country to be part of Europe even then there'd be no red tape for anyone. That'd be crazy radical though.
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Form some kind of union.
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Is it just me or has the use of 'wokery' increased tenfold in the Gutter Press in the last few weeks? Did Gammon Churchill-Shagger get bored of namby pamby Elf N Safety? Genuinely never even heard the word used in real-life.
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JeremoudCorbynejad posted:SNOWPOCALYPSE Three or four inches here, and still going. I love the snow, and since I moved up here we’ve had more snow days than non, it feels like. Makes me excited like a little kid every time, too.
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forkboy84 posted:https://twitter.com/LeftieStats/status/1353078801966583811?s=20 It's weird as I'm sure there was a period in the early days of the parliament where people generally split their vote as Labour/SNP or Labour/LibDem to effectively freeze out the Tories. The 'Both Votes SNP' tactic is paying off I guess, though could you imagine the salty Yoons if a tactical SNP/Green majority was the landslide winner?
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Pencils R Cool posted:Is it just me or has the use of 'wokery' increased tenfold in the Gutter Press in the last few weeks? Did Gammon Churchill-Shagger get bored of namby pamby Elf N Safety? Genuinely never even heard the word used in real-life. It's been slowly building, but yeah, theres been a flurry lately. Especially poo poo like this wonderful irregular verb  When I rename things for political reasons its defending my culture, when you do it its virtue signalling wokery.
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