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Data Graham posted:A show like, say... Big Mouth, lays them on so thick and fast that literally not a single word is not some kind of intricately twisted wordplay that you'd better have the subtitles on and be glued to the screen to have a hope of not just being washed away by it.
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It occurs to me that one of the best nu Simpsons jokes ever (in that it's one of the few good ones) is the gag where Moe throws Barney out of the bar repeatedly only for him to show up again in the background, and the reason that joke works so well is because they don't explain it at the end. They explain it in the middle, sure, but they let it sit at the end.
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Jan 19, 2021 03:55
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Decided Lisa Goes Gaga is the worst because it's wasted potential- Lady Gaga is a huge nerd likes weird stuff, she'd absolutely be down for a way more interesting premise than just being fellated onscreen for 22 minutes.
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Jan 19, 2021 04:35
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Decided Lisa Goes Gaga is the worst because it's wasted potential- Lady Gaga is a huge nerd likes weird stuff, she'd absolutely be down for a way more interesting premise than just being fellated onscreen for 22 minutes. But they had her cry diamonds! And uh... I dunno. Someone else can figure it out. If there was a half-hearted version of  I'd post it here.
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Jan 19, 2021 05:44
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Stunt_enby posted:big mouth doesn't have anything in it that's funny, though? i'm confused You know I saw a season 20+ episode of the simpsons that had a puberty monster shockingly similar to the one in big mouth, years before big mouth was released. Really makes you think.
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Jan 19, 2021 06:46
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FunkyAl posted:You know I saw a season 20+ episode of the simpsons that had a puberty monster shockingly similar to the one in big mouth, years before big mouth was released. Really makes you think. There's a reason Simpsons Did It is a thing. Go on long enough and they'll do nearly any concept at some point. Not to mention it's not exactly a new metaphor.
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Jan 19, 2021 06:50
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The first few episodes of Big Mouth are pretty dire, but it actually does get pretty funny and witty. It's never classic Simpsons-legendary level of joke writing but they're really good at comedic timing and they definitely don't dwell on jokes. There's still always a heavy doss of crass humor though so I won't fault anyone for not liking it.
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Jan 19, 2021 07:32
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Hrist posted:But they had her cry diamonds! And uh... I dunno. Someone else can figure it out. Had to un-repress my memory, but she had a train made out of eccentric shoes... I think. At least, that’s how she was introduced to the episode, right? It was like the intro to Soul Train with a reality-bending cartoonish hovering train... but it was made of shoes. 
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Jan 19, 2021 13:51
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Ive been rewatching Simpsons on Disney Plus and season 10 is where I am really starting to struggle
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Jan 19, 2021 14:57
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8 is the last solid gold season, 9 has a fair few good episodes written in the old style but introduces the thoughtless plots and caricatured characters of the bad era and season 10 is pure fail country imo. The only episode past that that stands out as worth watching is Behind thr Laughter, which is season ...11?
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multijoe posted:8 is the last solid gold season, 9 has a fair few good episodes written in the old style but introduces the thoughtless plots and caricatured characters of the bad era and season 10 is pure fail country imo. The only episode past that that stands out as worth watching is Behind thr Laughter, which is season ...11? That's why I always just pretend Behind the Laughter was the series finale. It gives you a standard good sitcom run, a rough first/second season, a multi-season golden run, a loss of steam season, then a bad last couple of seasons.
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Jan 19, 2021 15:19
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Ghost Leviathan posted:There's a reason Simpsons Did It is a thing. Go on long enough and they'll do nearly any concept at some point. Not to mention it's not exactly a new metaphor. It's true, yet there is no doubt in my mind Nick Kroll saw this episode at 4 AM, 6 hours before his meeting at netflix, drew the drawing on a napkin, and created "big mouth"
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Jan 19, 2021 15:59
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FunkyAl posted:You know I saw a season 20+ episode of the simpsons that had a puberty monster shockingly similar to the one in big mouth, years before big mouth was released. Really makes you think. lol I looked this up because I wanted to see and The Simpsons wiki says this is somehow a parody of Big Mouth, which came out 3 years after the episode aired.
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Jan 19, 2021 16:12
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They were both just ripping off Gamblor
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I was going to defend season 10 as being ok but I looked at the episode list and now I agree with everybody. Some of the episodes do still have fun bits in them (makeup shotgun in the Edison one, drunken mooch Ron Howard) but there's not a lot I'd really want to rewatch.
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Jan 19, 2021 17:10
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Comes to mind that Big Mouth has a particularly gross, caricatured, 90s Nick esque art style probably because doing otherwise with explicitly pubescent characters exploring sexual themes even realistically and deconstructively would come off as waaaay worse if they were meant to be visually appealing.
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No there's no good reason ever why you should go with "rejected Pelswick designs" as your art style.
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Jan 19, 2021 17:53
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Kaiser Mazoku posted:No there's no good reason ever why you should go with "rejected Pelswick designs" as your art style. Ha ha, you actually referenced that show as a point of comparision. Thats like assuming everyone knows Zodialogical Astronomy was created by the greeks in 785 BC.
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Cartoons are dead.
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Inspector Gesicht posted:Ha ha, you actually referenced that show as a point of comparision. Thats like assuming everyone knows Zodialogical Astronomy was created by the greeks in 785 BC. One of my professors was a writer for that show and was absolutely shocked I remembered it.
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!Klams posted:Been watching them all on Disney+ with my wife on our lunchbreaks / to fill 20 minutes, and the first episode with absolutely no redeeming qualities or jokes that land to us, is Season 12, Episode 20. While terrible, dude, that is after Simpson Safari and When You Dish Upon a Star, you should have pulled the chute long before
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Jan 19, 2021 19:12
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I saw Pelswick on some streaming service awhile back, thought "oh yeah, that was a thing", and watched a few episodes. It was surprisingly chuddy in places, which I didn't pick up on as an 11 year old. Guess that's not super surprising for a show where "Pelswick's pal, God" is a major character.
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i'm also not a fan of the whole 'explain a joke' trend that's been going on in recent years, but i'm also somewhat embarassed to admit that there's more than a few instances where i managed to miss the joke until it was explained by one of the characters  but that being said, while it is an annoyance, it's only one of multiple reasons why nu-simpsons sucks. Data Graham posted:There's something to be said for the joke delivery being just at the right rate for someone who's paying reasonable attention to absorb them all. A show like, say, Archer, or like, Big Mouth, lays them on so thick and fast that literally not a single word is not some kind of intricately twisted wordplay that you'd better have the subtitles on and be glued to the screen to have a hope of not just being washed away by it. oh god yes. haven't seen much of big mouth but archer is notoriously guilty of this. i felt it was okay in earlier seasons, but it seems in recent ones, they've just went overboard and it's getting to the point of being obnoxious. one of my big comedy pet peeves is when writers extend a joke a past the point of usefulness. with archer, they already have some scenes with great lines that they just tack on an extra ten lines on there just to be safe or something. it's almost like a never ending game of madlibs. Cemetry Gator posted:As evidence, I submit the first Netflix season of MST3K and compare it with the second season. In the first season, the jokes were so rapid fire, it really ruined the pacing. Even if the individual jokes were funnier, the delivery fell flat on its face. Season 2 slowed down the pace, and so the jokes had room to breathe and we're funnier. glad i wasn't the only one thinking that way about MST3K on netflix. i felt the jokes were a little too rapid fire, personally.
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My new favorite episode of MST3K is Mac n Me from Netflix's second season. The jokes are relentless but they're just absolutely killing it the entire time.
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SweetMercifulCrap! posted:My new favorite episode of MST3K is Mac n Me from Netflix's second season. The jokes are relentless but they're just absolutely killing it the entire time. "Cry Wilderness" and "The Beast of Hollow Mountain" are also great. I know some people had an issue with the rapid-fire joke pacing in the Netflix seasons, but I think they didn't miss a beat. Those seasons are as good as the golden years in my book.
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PostNouveau posted:"Cry Wilderness" and "The Beast of Hollow Mountain" are also great. I know some people had an issue with the rapid-fire joke pacing in the Netflix seasons, but I think they didn't miss a beat. Those seasons are as good as the golden years in my book. Oh yeah, those are great too! I remember thinking that the very first Netflix episode was pretty dire, and unfortunately may have turned people off to watching more.
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The second Netflix season really tightened things up, yeah. Some of the new ones are definitely among the best.
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Second Netflix season of MST3K was definitely when it found its groove, only let down by the lack of chemistry with the Mads, and I usually like Felicia Day and Patton Oswalt. I echo the sentiment that the jokes were too rapid fire (even when they were funny) in the first season. It was almost breathless. One reason old MST3K remains a constant rewatch for me is its chill, stoner vibe. Reboot MST3K felt like it was trying too hard at first.
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SweetMercifulCrap! posted:Oh yeah, those are great too! I remember thinking that the very first Netflix episode was pretty dire, and unfortunately may have turned people off to watching more. This was me. I quit about ten minutes in when they had already barked out like two hundred jokes. I'll have to go back one day, as I heard they took that particular criticism to heart.
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I started watching the Simpsons from S1, and I noticed how it feels like the older episodes feel like they are not trying so hard to be funny. They just are. I realized in the Tell-Tale Head after Rev. Lovejoy gives his sermon on the evils of gambling, and as the Simpsons are leaving church, you see all the signs for Monte Carlo night and bingo. Compare to modern Simpsons, where Martin is hanging on Kearny's laundry line for some reason. It feels like someone trying too hard to be funny, and so they're doing something that's easily identified as wacky. But it's not funny in context. It has no bite or wit.
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Jan 24, 2021 22:54
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Season 1 is bad anymore. Show didn't get good until partway through Season 2 and then 3 is when it really hit it's stride.
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Jan 24, 2021 22:57
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Cemetry Gator posted:I started watching the Simpsons from S1, and I noticed how it feels like the older episodes feel like they are not trying so hard to be funny. They just are. Classic Simpsons, when they had really hit their stride had a lot of effort put into it though. Each joke went through quite a few sets of eyes and were tweaked, and often were part of a stack of jokes that built off of each other. It's also how you get such a high ratio of jokes and gags condensed into each episode - but because each one usually builds into the next, it seems organic and unforced. The SuperEyepatchWolf video that we've all probably seen by now did a great breakdown of the malicious streetsweeper joke from Bart Sells His Soul as an exemplar of this. Every joke in that segment beautifully builds off the last, and it forms a self-contained mini-story in just a few seconds.
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Season 1 isn't that bad. It's rough around the edges, and there are a few episodes that don't land as sharply as they could, like Bart the Genius. But then you got Crepes of Wrath and Krusty Gets Busted, which are both very strong and really funny. The animation is pretty rough early on, and they didn't quite have the tone down. But all of the episodes have at least one joke worth telling. Season 2 starts off strong with Bart Gets an F and Simpson and Delilah. I love cool Martin! They really were getting the tone down.
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Jan 24, 2021 23:23
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I think season one of the simpsons is great. They’re not so much a wacky comedy show as they are these neat short animated films that tell satirical stories. Not to mention I think the animation is really great in that first season. Season one has a really cool experimental feel to it.
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Yeah, I like season 1 for different reasons than the later stuff but I still like. Definitely a few stinkers though, like the babysitter bandit episode.
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Vagabundo posted:Classic Simpsons, when they had really hit their stride had a lot of effort put into it though. Each joke went through quite a few sets of eyes and were tweaked, and often were part of a stack of jokes that built off of each other. It's also how you get such a high ratio of jokes and gags condensed into each episode - but because each one usually builds into the next, it seems organic and unforced. I'm not saying they didn't work on it, but it doesn't feel like they're trying when you're watching, in that colloquial sense. You know that person who's trying to be funny, and how grating it can be? That's modern Simpsons. The early seasons feel natural and effortless.
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The Moon Monster posted:Yeah, I like season 1 for different reasons than the later stuff but I still like. Definitely a few stinkers though, like the babysitter bandit episode. Yeah, that episode is, IMO, the first genuinely horrible episode from the Simpsons. I can't even remember any jokes from that episode because what is there to laugh at?
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Vagabundo posted:Yeah, that episode is, IMO, the first genuinely horrible episode from the Simpsons. I can't even remember any jokes from that episode because what is there to laugh at? Considering it was supposed to be the SERIES PREMIERE, thank god people went "what the gently caress is this poo poo" and yanked it to be retooled and reanimated, making it the season finale instead. Imaging if they had actually led with that instead of the Christmas episode, ugh
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bucksmash posted:Considering it was supposed to be the SERIES PREMIERE, thank god people went "what the gently caress is this poo poo" and yanked it to be retooled and reanimated, making it the season finale instead. Imaging if they had actually led with that instead of the Christmas episode, ugh they included the first run of animation of that episode on one of the DVD sets, and holy gently caress. it was off model and just lovely. the expense and delay nearly sank the show before it even aired
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Empty Sandwich posted:they included the first run of animation of that episode on one of the DVD sets, and holy gently caress. it was off model and just lovely. the expense and delay nearly sank the show before it even aired It looked so much worse than the later Ulman shorts too.
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