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Our lovely housing policy has actually probably legitimately made places like AZ non-trivially bluer. I get the impression that most of the people that move to Texas are right wing though. Beto won the native Texan vote but lost the election in ‘18 because out of staters broke for Cruz.
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I had one friend move last summer(to somewhere near Houston), and I've lived here all my life, and it's more common for people to move here than otherwise. Also, home prices have not gone down, and home sales volume has gone up, I think, so there's even less to panic over. The LA times covered it. Lots of reasonable reasons to move out, including cost of living and home prices, but the article doesn't treat it as a mass exodus like out of state (or in-state republican) politicians are viewing it as. EDIT: the article in question: https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2021-01-12/california-exodus-intensifying-retirees-musicians-teachers-actors sb hermit fucked around with this message at 04:13 on Jan 25, 2021 |
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Jan 25, 2021 04:11
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Eric Cantonese posted:My Youtube feed is infested with "Why I'm leaving California!" videos due to going down the financial Youtube rabbit hole. What's the coverage like in California over people moving out? As a percentage of the population, the number of people leaving California for other states like Texas is negligible (though this isn't really here or there, see below) . As for voting preferences, it probably depends on why they're moving (job making them relocate vs. moving because they don't feel like paying income taxes). The bigger question is how much this will end up impacting the economy because population growth is slowing, but I think the reason for it is pretty simple-- housing is expensive. Sure, eggs are a bit more expensive in California, and gas prices suck, but the absolutely gargantuan housing prices are the biggest problem. I don't know how it's really being covered in California though, but I can tell you that I hear about it plenty in Texas because Greg Abbott can't shut the gently caress up about it. The reasons that these companies say they are moving though (horrible socialist California policies or whatever) are a complete joke though. Companies in developed social democracies do fine. It's just a race to the bottom and the country will ultimately be worse off for it, IMO.
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There really isn't a mass exodus. Two states in the US grew faster than California in the last ten years and it was Texas and Florida. Other states seeing a disproportionate number of California expats as compared to other states isn't a function of California's population disintegrating, it's a function of the population of the US being California, then Texas, and then everybody else.
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What folks in other states don't seem to grasp when they talk about about 100,000 Californians (or whatever number) moving out of the state is that the population of California is 40 million. Not 11 million (Georgia), 8 million (Washington), 6 million (Colorado), 7.5 million (Arizona), 22 million (Florida), or even 29 million (Texas). Forty million.
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Also, keep in mind that for a lot of tech companies expanding outside of California, they are moving corporate functions, not technical functions. Their existing technical teams will stay in place, in Silicon Valley, because that's where the talent is. They can get paid what they're worth or get poached by another startup or big company and it makes no sense to move to where the demand for their skills does not translate to higher pay or workers' protection. Also, as mentioned above, a lot of the allure is less the taxes and more the available space. San Francisco is crowded. San Diego is crowded. Los Angeles and its tech heavy suburbs and satellites are crowded. And as a result, traffic is terrible and housing is bad and homelessness just gets worse. Young college grads are more likely to go to a place where you can opt to own at a reasonable percentage of your income without having roommates.
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It's the price of housing. You gotta make a ton of money to be moved by the tax structure which isn't many people. Is just housing
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Jan 25, 2021 04:34
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I'm legitimately considering moving out of state this year as I look at other blue states where I can make basically the same money but pay half the rent for 2.5x the living space, and maybe even entertain being able to own my own place before I turn to elementary particles via heat death. I really want to stay in California but this state is beyond hosed when it comes to housing.
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There are a lot of things that drive people out of CA, cost of housing is by far the biggest in my opinion though. That being said our failed government is starting to show pretty bad. The weather and air have actually been getting noticeably worse. Like this years fire season was INSANE, it felt like living in Mordor for several weeks. Some people in our state don't even have dependable electricity. If I didn't have friends and family I loved here I likely would have moved to New England a long time ago like my brother did.
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Jan 25, 2021 06:03
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Jan 25, 2021 06:19
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My wife and I are officially leaving California next month. We're two boring middle class earners who don't feel like hustling and scraping every penny to barely afford a shitbox somewhere near Tracy about twenty years from now if we're lucky. If homeownership was ever a remote possibility we'd reconsider leaving. I can stand the taxes. I can stand the traffic. I can even stand the fires (they're going to eventually run out of things to burn, right?). This game of musical chairs we're playing with rentals is really getting old, though. Just about everywhere west of the Rockies is getting stupid, too. Even in Phoenix you can't get anything decent for south of 350k. I guess Vegas isn't that bad yet and everyone keeps telling me that there's actually some cool stuff to do there besides but living in a cookie cutter home in a Hendersonville subdivision just doesn't sound like a good time to me.
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ProperGanderPusher posted:My wife and I are officially leaving California next month. We're two boring middle class earners who don't feel like hustling and scraping every penny to barely afford a shitbox somewhere near Tracy about twenty years from now if we're lucky. If homeownership was ever a remote possibility we'd reconsider leaving. I can stand the taxes. I can stand the traffic. I can even stand the fires (they're going to eventually run out of things to burn, right?). This game of musical chairs we're playing with rentals is really getting old, though. Vegas is only fun for about a weekend. I actually moved out of the country from LA and haven't looked back. It started as an ESL English monkey job, but then a credential and a few interviews later, I'm teaching at a fairly respectable international school out here in Beijing. The rent here is still high for China standards, but it's nice to be able to afford to life and have an actual life, for once.
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Jan 25, 2021 07:09
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ProperGanderPusher posted:(they're going to eventually run out of things to burn, right?) That’s not how fire ecology works bro. Rain makes poo poo grow, which is fuel that burns a few seasons later. Sometimes you get lucky and the rain just washes the soil down the hillside and you get debris flows instead of future fires.
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Jan 25, 2021 07:57
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Open 'er up! https://twitter.com/ZavalaA/status/1353569666212401152?s=20 https://twitter.com/ZavalaA/status/1353571262593789954?s=20
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Jan 25, 2021 08:05
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E:beaten like the US thinks Covid is.
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Isn't So Cal still at 0% ICU capacity?
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Jan 25, 2021 08:06
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Forceholy posted:Isn't So Cal still at 0% ICU capacity? Yeah but in 4 weeks it should be..... *spins wheel* 2.3%! Open ‘em up!
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Jan 25, 2021 08:15
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cunning plan by newsom to make the virus even worse to derail biden's presidency and set up a primary challenge
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Jan 25, 2021 08:33
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I'm gonna get so many haircuts tomorrow.
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Jan 25, 2021 08:37
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to be honest, I really need a haircut. I love my hiking hats but they don't go with my work outfits
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Jan 25, 2021 08:41
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Yeah my head looks like poo poo. On the other hand I don't wanna die. Hard choices.
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Jan 25, 2021 08:46
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Kenning posted:Yeah my head looks like poo poo. On the other hand I don't wanna die. Hard choices. I'm probably going to wait until icu levels are at a good level and not simply "projected". So probably another month from now. Or maybe just wait until everyone gets the vaccine.
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Jan 25, 2021 08:54
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just buy a hair buzzer off amazon and become one of those people that obviously cuts their own hair from now on
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Jan 25, 2021 09:19
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I’m going to get on a plane for 15 hours, sit in a hotel room for 14 days, fly another 4 hours, go to a bbq with my family and let my 3 year old nephew I haven’t met shave my head.
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My friend who doesn't really cut hair but gets the courage to try after a glass of wine cut my hair on my deck in August. Unless a similar scene is possible before general vaccination I will allow my mop to grow, because who the gently caress am I seeing anyway.
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My last haircut was in December... of 2019. I want to ride this corona mullet into the ground but my wife really wants to prove that because her mom is a hairdresser I should trust her with clippers
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Jan 25, 2021 09:42
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gently caress you newsom
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Jan 25, 2021 10:06
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Boy, opening the state based on projections of how things will be six to eight weeks from now seems like a really great way to make those projections incredibly wrong.
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Yeah I'm still going to stay isolated. Publicly inaccessible numbers are a convenient metric to govern by.
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BeAuMaN posted:Yeah I'm still going to stay isolated. Publicly inaccessible numbers are a convenient metric to govern by. gotta live your life dont live in fear!!!1
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Goodpancakes posted:It's the price of housing. You gotta make a ton of money to be moved by the tax structure which isn't many people. Is just housing My uncle (a piece of poo poo) left because "the Democrats in CA are stealing money from my paycheck and GIVING it to illegals!" so it isn't just housing. It's also racism (my father, also a piece of poo poo, bought a house in NV for the same reason but then came back because his health went to poo poo and nobody would go to NV to take care of him). Anecdotes aren't data but the number of people leaving is negligible anyway and the reasons range from housing to insane right wing brainworms.
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H.P. Hovercraft posted:just buy a hair buzzer off amazon and become one of those people that obviously cuts their own hair from now on This is what I've been doing for over a decade, but it looks like I'll be stopping soon. Because I'll be dead. From COVID. Edit: Or the 4.6 inches of rain in Wednesday's forecast 
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luminalflux posted:My last haircut was in December... of 2019. I want to ride this corona mullet into the ground but my wife really wants to prove that because her mom is a hairdresser I should trust her with clippers Ha, same here. Although I usually just buzz my head at 1/4 with my own clippers. So I have no real excuse other than “ah gently caress it.” I think it’s just about the longest it’s ever been. Every time my kids complain about it, I tack on another couple weeks.
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Jan 25, 2021 16:28
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Hell yeah we're gonna treat Covid like we treat power.
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Just in time for my Super Bowl party hell yeah
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CarlCX posted:Boy, opening the state based on projections of how things will be six to eight weeks from now seems like a really great way to make those projections incredibly wrong. Those projections are science. Looks like we got a science non-believer here.
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Eric Cantonese posted:My Youtube feed is infested with "Why I'm leaving California!" videos due to going down the financial Youtube rabbit hole. What's the coverage like in California over people moving out? I'm moving to Texas because I can live rent free with some family and finish out school. I know 2 other blue voters moving to TX, and 3 more that are considering it. It's not just a red thing. I think most people are moving because it's just so expensive. I do meet the occasional red voter that is moving because of tyranny and nanny states though.
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eSporks posted:Want some anecdotes, I have them! I see all these constant complaints about "regulations!" so it makes me curious what kind of discontent is floating around there. A lot of my family lives in California now so I hear nothing but "move here!" from them. My sister tells me to stay on the East Coast, though. I think she's just burned out on tech culture. So this is the kind of stuff I'm seeing on Youtube... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CYUDZGwUzXE Although, several months ago he had posted this... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IY-iJBCJvHc
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Eric Cantonese posted:I see all these constant complaints about "regulations!" so it makes me curious what kind of discontent is floating around there.
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