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RFC2324 posted:It drives me nuts that almost every 'make isk' guide starts with 'have 30 million sp and/or several billion isk' Exploration is pretty low in SP requirements, but understanding drag bubble mechanics and how to travel safely with a CovOps in null sec are complicated and made obscure by CCP's abysmal documentation. Acquiring that knowledge is measured in the billions of isk through hilarious lossmails.
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RFC2324 posted:Yeah, industry seems to need a stable of paid for alts to actually be profitable, and to break into the big leagues you have to be socially adept enough to get some alliance's leadership to give you those inner circle contracts. Lets not kid ourselves, being part of alliance leadership is the way to be eve rich. Where do you think all that test alliance money goes?
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Dik Hz posted:The number one problem with this is that there are two components: SP and player knowledge. The things that are low SP are high in player knowledge requirements and vice versa. Gonna say also conflicting reports, because when I was looking to get into exploration a month or so ago, I was told not to bother without being able to fly covops ships, as well as high levels in exploration skills. Like, you need 5s in the basic skills to be able to reliably pinpoint profitable sites, which is several months of training for a newbie. Being a newbie apparently involves several months of uselessness and money loss no matter what you do.
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RFC2324 posted:It drives me nuts that almost every 'make isk' guide starts with 'have 30 million sp and/or several billion isk' These exist, but everyone shits on them, even in here because they require being active and doing stuff, something most old players are allergic to and therefore poo poo on. Everyone (including me) misses afk carrier/rorqual income and the bar for for me for feeling good about active moneymaking is set at 900m isk/hr titan ratting because that actually felt like it was worth the effort. You can roll into abyssal running day 1 (with the 1million SP you get from a referral code) in a 2 million isk ship and pay for it on your first site, then by the time you have a weeks worth of skills you can be running t1 abyssals for 30-50m per hour in a worm or hookbill. This is still small potatoes but within a month you can be running t2 filaments in an assault frigate for 75-80m isk/hour and it only requires knowledge to get started.
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Wibla posted:I have a small army of t2 comp/cap comp, reaction, bpo copy alts ... they sit around 5-6 mill SP, but are completely useless for actually flying things. Then I have some other alts that can do most T2 hulls on top of comps, they have a bit more SP I'm trying to sort out w-space reactions now and even using online resources I know i'm going to end up wasting money doing something wrong. I just hope I anchor the right structures because gee do I look forward to buying some cores.
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L0cke17 posted:You can roll into abyssal running day 1 (with the 1million SP you get from a referral code) in a 2 million isk ship and pay for it on your first site, then by the time you have a weeks worth of skills you can be running t1 abyssals for 30-50m per hour in a worm or hookbill. This is still small potatoes but within a month you can be running t2 filaments in an assault frigate for 75-80m isk/hour and it only requires knowledge to get started. I can't even get info on newbie level abyssals out of goons because of this attitude. Is there a write up anywhere on how to do these?
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RFC2324 posted:I can't even get info on newbie level abyssals out of goons because of this attitude. Is there a write up anywhere on how to do these? https://goonfleet.com/index.php/top...mega-with-fits/
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RFC2324 posted:I can't even get info on newbie level abyssals out of goons because of this attitude. Is there a write up anywhere on how to do these? I can experiment with them tonight if you want unless someone has a good setup.
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Sickening posted:Lets not kid ourselves, being part of alliance leadership is the way to be eve rich. Where do you think all that test alliance money goes? Step away from the embezzlement pie! L0cke17 posted:These exist, but everyone shits on them, even in here because they require being active and doing stuff, something most old players are allergic to and therefore poo poo on. Everyone (including me) misses afk carrier/rorqual income and the bar for for me for feeling good about active moneymaking is set at 900m isk/hr titan ratting because that actually felt like it was worth the effort. I make >5B/h on my T2 poo poo, but it's by no means passive income  Abyssal running is the next big thing and it's very newbie-friendly as you already described. IMO the biggest thing is to not try to pay for omega with plex starting out, that's an effort/time trap. Lorem ipsum posted:I'm trying to sort out w-space reactions now and even using online resources I know i'm going to end up wasting money doing something wrong. I just hope I anchor the right structures because gee do I look forward to buying some cores. I've been doing reactions for 10 years, (super)capital manufacturing for nearly as long, and T2 prod for a year and some change - and even I haven't bothered looking at w-space reactions, heh.
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IF you want to make good money with limited time engagement and under the constraints of a risk/reward hierarchy which is more easily understood than wormhole ratting and requires substantially less investment.... ... some devilishly handsome goon with loving boatloads of ISK made an astonishingly good post about how to do it in the abyss, for anyone from the poorest new bee to the oldest bitter vet https://goonfleet.com/index.php/top...mega-with-fits/ so far, in my experience, the best risk vs reward is still the exotic gila (although holy poo poo actually the vagabong is cool and good) - you basically cannot be killed if you follow the guide. lower tiers are totally workable and we have some good fits and recommendations for people with much lower skills. ive got a week worth of updates to do to it, including the loot tables, but its good stuff. also this is definitely the gooniest guide (read: I tried to make it fun to actually read) to getting where you want to be if you're hurting for cash - turns out the EVE pve community are really lovely writers who only ever half explain things. if you're starting out and you're apprehensive about anything don't be afraid to  . if you need a little help starting out or a sweet deal on a faction hull or something ask around, or PM me. i'd be extremely happy to arrange to get you into a hull on the cheap if you're willing to sell me the BPCs you get in the abyss. i will also buy your red/white loot for fair prices - sometimes the buy orders on 1dq are good and sometimes they're 40% Jita because people are lovely assholes. i love triangle ships and any BPCs you sell to me will be made for use by the alliance, as well as DELTA SQAD and also inferior squad theta.
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Hexel posted:isktars in deklein was the golden age of eve pve Back in 2012 there were kind goons who'd drop containers with the coords to the sites they just ratted for newbees to salvage. I made absurd amounts of isk in a Noctis until I got ganked one day.
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RFC2324 posted:I can't even get info on newbie level abyssals out of goons because of this attitude. Is there a write up anywhere on how to do these? There's an OK write-up on the forums but it is put of date with the most recent patches and if you follow it blindly you will just die. There's a couple good youtube channels but there's A LOT to cover. Like to cover all the combination in 1 kind of filament takes hours of video to explain. The best up to date youtube channel is Hateless gaming, https://youtube.com/c/HateLesSGaming but I disagree with some of his conclusions about what you should run (he's all in on gilas ASAP running t3 electricals) and he doesn't cover low tier frigate abyssals very well. I found a single worm, hawk, or retribution made significantly more money than a cheap gila did even with max skills on the Gila and medium skills on the frigates. I found it most helpful to just run through it with someone who knew WTF was going on for an hour or two then run a bunch myself, died like twice, and Now I have a pretty good understanding of what is going on and haven't died since. L0cke17 fucked around with this message at 19:09 on Jan 25, 2021 |
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L0cke17 posted:There's an OK write-up on the forums but it is put of date with the most recent patches and if you follow it blindly you will just die. There's a couple good youtube channels but there's A LOT to cover. Like to cover all the combination in 1 kind of filament takes hours of video to explain. The best up to date youtube channel is Hateless gaming, https://youtube.com/c/HateLesSGaming but I disagree with some of his conclusions about what you should run (he's all in on gilas ASAP running t3 electricals) and he doesn't cover low tier frigate abyssals very well. I found a single worm, hawk, or retribution made significantly more money than a cheap gila did even with max skills on the Gila and medium skills on the frigates.  e: seriously i spent hours writing thousands of words and it's completely up to date. you suck.
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Sickening posted:We just had someone in this thread talk about how easy production is and then glossed over how much sp you need to to do some basic things. Nothing seems worse bang for its buck sp wise then industry. That was probably me  You need two large skill injectors per character and one account for reactions, then at least 10 of the two intermed formulae (~200mil per set) and 20 of the carbide formulae (~400mil per set). Then you can clone jump to jita, buy titanium and chrome or vanadium and scandium and some R4 goo at Jita buy, ship it to 1DQ for ~5mil, react it in 1DQ (or elsewhere if you have a way to move the goo and fuel blocks) with your 30 reaction slots and sell to people in gs_isk or on the 1dq market and make money every 2 days. From there you can branch out to other carbides (do both titanium carbide and termite carbide), or get into middle end composites and keep churning. The key is less about margin and more about isk velocity. You can start with a relatively small operation and as long as you make money that isk is going to be constantly moving and growing. I started out with 20 reaction slots and 2b isk in 2018 and by the time I got too busy for Eve in early 2019 I had skyrocketed to a net worth of 60b (though this was when vertical integration was less of a thing and you could buy a super carrier for 16b fully fit and rat making 250-300mil/hr) Reacting low end composites is still profitable because at a certain point the big dogs don’t want to waste slots doing carbides or Sylramics that do 250k isk/hr/slot when they can react high ends that make 1-4mil/hr/slot in the same amount of time and turn all of that goo into a fleet of Muninns or cerbs or whatever
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Yeah, this is it exactly. Someone should add this to the motd in the little bees channel
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Wibla posted:I've been doing reactions for 10 years, (super)capital manufacturing for nearly as long, and T2 prod for a year and some change - and even I haven't bothered looking at w-space reactions, heh. Thanks for the morale booster! Hopefully with obscurity comes profit and not destitution!
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RFC2324 posted:Gonna say also conflicting reports, because when I was looking to get into exploration a month or so ago, I was told not to bother without being able to fly covops ships, as well as high levels in exploration skills. Like, you need 5s in the basic skills to be able to reliably pinpoint profitable sites, which is several months of training for a newbie.
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Baculus posted:
I was talking about this thread, I don't think you wrote this one: https://goonfleet.com/index.php/topic/304808-program-abyssal-for-beginners-free-ships-and-mentoring/ I somehow missed yours and haven't read it yet. Sorry for offending your e-honor dude.
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L0cke17 posted:I was talking about this thread, I don't think you wrote this one: https://goonfleet.com/index.php/topic/304808-program-abyssal-for-beginners-free-ships-and-mentoring/ ahhhh no my bad. i was just proud of my thread because its the first time i ever tumbled dick first into a good post. part of the reason i made it, is that we had some badly out of date threads on the site and the jabber channel was a really bad source of information if you aren't doing like loving T6s in a HAC.
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My starter cash was from running very low level anoms and sites in highsec for faction mods. You had to roll the dice a lot to get a payout. DG stuff is money but rare, serpentis is more steady drops but cheaper. As you skill up you could run the escalations for deadspace stuff in an assault frig. I miss the static spawn sites, I had a nice route going through all of gallente space to hit them all.
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Dik Hz posted:Nah, you can find anything with low SP (IV in astrometrics, III in rangefinding/pinpointing, double grav-cap rig, in an astero), it just takes longer. Even when you're at 0.25 AU resolution, you can get another order of magnitude on scanning by holding control and dragging the probes in pinpoint formation in closer together. Total sp time: ~3 days omega. Another's thing we need a good, up to date, write-up for in the wiki/forums Speaking of which, both of those are in desperate need of cleanup. Its worse than googling it because I can usually tell with google, while goons willl still be discussing things that were accurate a decade ago without updating the OP. Or maybe they did! Who knows?!
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RFC2324 posted:Gonna say also conflicting reports, because when I was looking to get into exploration a month or so ago, I was told not to bother without being able to fly covops ships, as well as high levels in exploration skills. Like, you need 5s in the basic skills to be able to reliably pinpoint profitable sites, which is several months of training for a newbie. Whoever told you this told you wrong, you can do the sites in a T1 exploration ship with 3s & 4s for probing skills. It will take more time & patience to probe down the level 3 sites, because you will need to reduce your probes to smaller sizes to get the hit, and you probably can't skip some sizes like a high-skills, faction-geared ship can. The sites that you can't lock down as a newbie are also the ones that will kill you if you don't know their mechanics. Being a newbee right now is more difficult than normal, because the pve stuff is on the backburner. So the easiest day-1 newbee job (salvage janitor) isn't available and the opportunities to teach other things are limited. RFC2324 posted:I can't even get info on newbie level abyssals out of goons because of this attitude. Is there a write up anywhere on how to do these? I feel like you are either asking in the wrong places or just don't have your eyes open. edit: RFC2324 posted:Yeah, this is it exactly. Someone should add this to the motd in the little bees channel
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Baculus posted:IF you want to make good money with limited time engagement and under the constraints of a risk/reward hierarchy which is more easily understood than wormhole ratting and requires substantially less investment.... My main issue is that where in Delve would it be safe to run these things? I legit have only one character, my main, who would be able to run these, and I want him in Delve at all times. School Nickname fucked around with this message at 19:52 on Jan 25, 2021 |
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Collateral Damage posted:I'm trying to wrap my head around T2 hull production but the amount of basic materials and intermediate reaction/manufacturing steps makes my head hurt just trying to figure out how not to lose my shirt on it. you pretty much have to make your own spreadsheet with material/reaction costs and go from there. its tedious, but thats what keeps most people out of the production stuff anyway
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Use Nod’s T2 production sheet and that’ll save you 40h of spreadsheet building
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School Nickname posted:My main issue is that where in Delve would it be safe to run these things? I legit have only one character, my main, who would be able to run these, and I want him in Delve at all times. Any of the systems behind 1DQ, or if the Y-OMTZ jump bridge is up, you could jump across to the whole zone behind T-M0FA as that's our "safest" pve space. 1. Open d-scan and look for "combat scan probes" out in the system. That's an indication that some is at least semi-actively hunting in that system, as scan probes have a 1 hour lifetime. 2. Make a safespot bookmark that's as far away from everything, particularly gates, as you can find -- if over 14 AU away from all gates that's best. When you open the abyssal filament it leaves a gate blip that people can see on d-scan, but need probes to warp to. Hunters have d-scan open all the time, but d-scan has 14au range. If your blip is more than 14au from the gates it's unlikely to be noticed by someone just roaming through.
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L0cke17 posted:You can roll into abyssal running day 1 (with the 1million SP you get from a referral code) in a 2 million isk ship and pay for it on your first site, then by the time you have a weeks worth of skills you can be running t1 abyssals for 30-50m per hour in a worm or hookbill. This is still small potatoes but within a month you can be running t2 filaments in an assault frigate for 75-80m isk/hour and it only requires knowledge to get started. This a thousand times. And newbies spending SP in frigs and learning some flying and ewar skills at the same time, too. Baculus posted:seriously i spent hours writing thousands of words and it's completely up to date. you suck. Your post is good and you should feel good. I posted in it as soon as I saw it, to make it look like an active, good thread about real actual gold in them hills. Because there is! Also I just genuinely enjoy the abyss; fitting and flying different ships is fun even before the outsized paydays. Pls nobody tell CCP about this as they death march tranquility to austerity.
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People have mentioned it before but it seems a lot of stuff is out of date. I found a post on the Gooniversity sub about producing for the newbie ship program. A good number of the items they list are less profitable than selling the minerals to buy orders. That's on a character with maxed out T1 production skill a friend gave me back in the day. I don't even know how that's possible unless people made giant stockpiles of the stuff and are selling them just to get their isk our of the things. As a new player I think it feels like there's not a lot of way to make money because of all the old stuff. I'm a retvet so I knew all the posts and wiki articles about ratting in Deklein weren't relevant anymore. The hottest 'new' player money making strat right now (based on posts and the wiki) seems to be semi AFK ratting in a myrm which is like 4-7 mil ticks depending on skills.
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MrTargetPractice posted:People have mentioned it before but it seems a lot of stuff is out of date. I found a post on the Gooniversity sub about producing for the newbie ship program. A good number of the items they list are less profitable than selling the minerals to buy orders. That's on a character with maxed out T1 production skill a friend gave me back in the day. I don't even know how that's possible unless people made giant stockpiles of the stuff and are selling them just to get their isk our of the things. Mineral prices spiked hard due to CCP changes and mining being, uh, difficult right now, so yes - a lot of T1 stuff is mispriced.
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Ok, clone question time. I haven't found this anywhere so asking: Currently I have a death clone set to 1DQ I have some implants in my "current" clone. If I want to "save" my implants can I... Create then activate jump clone in current station, thus "saving" my implants? Would that make implant clone the "jump clone" for that station? If "jump clone-no implants" dies, do I go to death clone or "implant clone"?
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Stereotype posted:what is a "tick"? An hour? If it's in a ratting discussion, twenty minutes. All bounties you get in 20 minutes are consolidated into a single wallet entry.
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ASAPI posted:Ok, clone question time. I haven't found this anywhere so asking: yes create a new clone in the station and then jump to it, the game will give you a warning if a clone would be destroyed. Jumping to a clone in the same station doesn't give you a jump clone timer for doing it. If you die you respawn in a new clone, not one of the existing ones you have installed
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evilweasel posted:If it's in a ratting discussion, twenty minutes. All bounties you get in 20 minutes are consolidated into a single wallet entry. ah okay that makes sense. 20 minutes is also about how long it takes to fill up an unboosted procurer mining  There are currently at least five active moons that will get you 7m a tick in that case, and double that if you have a porpoise boosting you. There is one moon that is hard to get to that is 20m a tick
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Stereotype posted:what is a "tick"? An hour? If people are talking about ratting or isk, 20 minutes. Payouts for rats get bundled up into 20m blobs. If people are talking about pvp mechanics, gatecamps, and mwd+cloak or instaceptors, 1 second. A number of things in eve happen only at the end of each 1-second "server tick". ASAPI posted:Ok, clone question time. I haven't found this anywhere so asking: yes yes when you die you always go to your death clone, creating a new clone body to replace the one that died. the only way to activate a jump clone is to use the jump (and incur the cooldown if you're not in the same station as the target clone)
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Gwyneth Palpate posted:Not to knock it, but I'm always skeptical about the ISK/hr purported to come out of WHs. I don't doubt that a grip of sites can have a lot of ISK -- I doubt the sustainability of it. How many hours can you maintain 300 ISK/hr? 300m per hour is real, it is actually 1b+ as a group but the sites need a few ships to run. If you own all the ships then you obviously keep everything. If the few ships you have are dreads then you are looking at like 3b+ an hour. It does require SP and either friends or alts and it isn't an afk activity and you will get ganked once in a blue moon. Having a brain or being in a group that rolls holes does make it way safer. But it can be as continuous as you want since you can just roll static if you are out of sites. In terms of lower SP stuff you can do the Stratios C5 Server Bank thing I mentioned a few pages ago for usually pretty decent money. These sites aren't as common as the normal anoms but there is usually one every C5 system or two. You can also run Wolf-Rayet sites in several T3 destroyers or just one if you stumble across a C13. You can also huff gas. But if you 100% want to do wormhole stuff on a single account with zero friends then server banks are the way to go. You do usually have to take the T3 blueprint things to Jita/Amarr to sell (unless maybe people in Delve are doing T3 prod there? I have no idea). Also moving blue loot is generally not a big deal since it fits in a fast ship and it doesn't usually take long to find connections to high or low sec. The most dangerous part is going to a busy station (like whatever the one near Jita is called) without a instadock and running into Mr. Tornado, but that is avoidable. It also only takes 15 minutes to roll a hole if you are using a single battleship and a single account. Most people roll in a capital ship in a way that it just takes one pass. Wormholes are fun
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Thanks all. Didn't want to throw away some implants and wanted to make sure that I am gtg. Now that I am armed with this knowledge I can start throwing away ships like I might have actual space money (never have enough).
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