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Going through old shows and X-Pac losing crowd favor isn't shocking. He's going over way more popular people through interference all the drat time.
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Who the gently caress was suicidal/drunk Hawk supposed to get over? I can't understand why any of this angle happened other than someone had a terrible idea.
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TheKingslayer posted:Who the gently caress was suicidal/drunk Hawk supposed to get over? I can't understand why any of this angle happened other than someone had a terrible idea. At the time almost all media was marketed towards people’s most base, sadistic impulses. Almost all “comedy” was based around punching down. Some blame it on backlash against PC culture puritanism of the 90s but in reality it was the worst people starting to feel their unearned privilege slipping as equality was rising and there was a collective push from media elites and advertisers to shut that down by presenting the most vile and abhorrent views as “funny” and “subversive” therefore intelligent. It made really stupid people feel like they were better than people with empathy because they could pretend they knew how real life was and could take it, unlike all those bleeding hearts who can’t take a joke. That’s my theory anyway, it’s why WWE was so successful then, the culture matched the ideals of Vince McMahon and he got lucky by being the right hosed up heinous guy at the right time.
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Eat My Fuc posted:At the time almost all media was marketed towards people’s most base, sadistic impulses. Almost all “comedy” was based around punching down. Some blame it on backlash against PC culture puritanism of the 90s but in reality it was the worst people starting to feel their unearned privilege slipping as equality was rising and there was a collective push from Not a bad theory at all. I was literally 10 at the time so I can't totally remember the atmosphere then.
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anakha posted:Road Dogg & K-Kwik, Billy & Chuck and X-Factor were all equally poo poo IMO. Billy & Chuck stands out for me because as well as being generally bad and another quest for shock value, it was also wildly homophobic and a deliberate "gently caress you" to the gay community.
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Yeah, they got GLAAD involved because they gave them their word that it was a legitimate storyline and that the wedding would actually happen without any bullshit.
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TheKingslayer posted:Who the gently caress was suicidal/drunk Hawk supposed to get over? I can't understand why any of this angle happened other than someone had a terrible idea. It was supposed to get droz over as a mega heel It was for smart fans that would know hawk was an alcoholic I think
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And Droz was positioned to get over like that because HE'S GONNA PUKE
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davidbix posted:MUCH better in the ring than he gets credit for. Best place to start is probably his Portland work that's on YouTube (lots of long 2/3 fall main events) and the stuff from the 1983 Greg Valentine feud that's on WWE Network (Hidden Gems house show match, Starrcade '83 dog collar match, and whatever matches/angles are on the weekly Mid-Atlantic Championship Wrestling shows). That said, his match with Bret at WrestleMania is pretty much the last worthwhile match he ever had, and his work by the time he got to WCW was abysmal.
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TheKingslayer posted:Who the gently caress was suicidal/drunk Hawk supposed to get over? I can't understand why any of this angle happened other than someone had a terrible idea. it wasn't supposed to get over it was supposed to bury Hawk
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TL posted:That said, his match with Bret at WrestleMania is pretty much the last worthwhile match he ever had, and his work by the time he got to WCW was abysmal. Even the mic work is pretty bad outside of (maybe) Piper's initial promo. Then you have that whole 'Piper's Tryouts' segment and... woof.
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Dawgstar posted:Even the mic work is pretty bad outside of (maybe) Piper's initial promo. Then you have that whole 'Piper's Tryouts' segment and... woof. 80s Piper who got into poo poo with Sammartino and late 90s Piper who generally screamed nonsense may legally be the same person, but they're pretty far apart.
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TL posted:That said, his match with Bret at WrestleMania is pretty much the last worthwhile match he ever had, and his work by the time he got to WCW was abysmal. By the time he's in WCW he's had his hip replaced so there was no chance of him being able to move properly.
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Who are the best all-time sellers in the business? Someone who sells really well without overselling or making it too obvious, just able to make someone look really strong. They could be anyone on the card (be it jobber or main-eventer). I think my current gold standard is Tomohiro Ishii but I'm also looking for others
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Maxwell Lord posted:By the time he's in WCW he's had his hip replaced so there was no chance of him being able to move properly. Wasn't it both hips? And wouldn't hip replacement make him move better than before?
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Lily Catts posted:Who are the best all-time sellers in the business? Someone who sells really well without overselling or making it too obvious, just able to make someone look really strong. They could be anyone on the card (be it jobber or main-eventer). I think my current gold standard is Tomohiro Ishii but I'm also looking for others I always thought Mr Perfect was pretty drat good.
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Jan 26, 2021 02:55
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Scott Hall could sell like a champ when he felt up to it. Nash gave him the power bomb and Hall sold like his back was broken, real brutal looking.
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El Gallinero Gros posted:Ricky Steamboat Rey Misterio Kenta Kobashi Terry Funk Toshiaki Kawada Hiroshi Tanahashi Shawn Michaels (when he felt like it) Typically babyfaces are great at selling. Kawada is the exception because he's a crazy person who studied tape of boxers getting knocked out so he could sell misawa head trauma moves correctly
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Smoking Crow posted:Rey Misterio Can't believe I forgot Funk
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Jan 26, 2021 03:44
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Mick Foley has several best sellers. (Thumbs up, cheap pop.)
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I thought Shawn Michaels was great but that match with Hogan kinda disqualifies him (in a good way though, because gently caress Hogan) Also how could I forget Tanahashi and his New Beginning 2018 match with Minoru Suzuki
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I think Brock Lesnar has underrated selling. When the time comes he bumps his rear end off and does some great bits where he covers up like he's rocked and punches air
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Moxley's pretty great at selling. It's one of the things that made him stand out to me early on. Dustin Rhodes, also.
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Ray Traylor was super underrated at selling.
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MJF is one of the best sellers on the AEW roster right now.
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Hogan's a funny one in hindsight because the Hulk Up was obviously infamous, but before that point he'd sell moves like he was being shot full of bees
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Hogan matches were built on the whiplash of 'HERE IS YOUR GODDAMN SUPERHERO' and 'oh no this poor, sad old man is getting beaten up, how can he overcome this?' 'OH YEAH BECAUSE HE'S HULK HOGAN KICK WHAM LEGDROP!'
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Pylons posted:MJF is one of the best sellers on the AEW roster right now.
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Lily Catts posted:Who are the best all-time sellers in the business? Someone who sells really well without overselling or making it too obvious, just able to make someone look really strong. They could be anyone on the card (be it jobber or main-eventer). I think my current gold standard is Tomohiro Ishii but I'm also looking for others I want to say Foley, but a lot of that pain was legit, so... Bret made everyone look like a million dollars without over selling. Edit: No one sold the Stunner like Scott Hall. Amazing.
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During his God run Okada was amazing at selling making you think the guy challenging him was finally going to be the one to beat him only to pull it out at the last minute. And end up making the challenger look amazing
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Okada’s one of the greatest sellers of all time, dude sells kick outs better than a lot of guys sell finishers. You can literally follow the story of the match just by watching his face.
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Lily Catts posted:Who are the best all-time sellers in the business? Someone who sells really well without overselling or making it too obvious, just able to make someone look really strong. They could be anyone on the card (be it jobber or main-eventer). I think my current gold standard is Tomohiro Ishii but I'm also looking for others Where the hell is Lanny Poffo? Also, Curt Hennig seconded.
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Comedy answer is Zack Sabre Jr . Every time he takes a hit his lights immediately go out. But for real I think it's either Tanahashi or Kawada. I wouldn't be surprised if Kawada worked a bit with Ishii in the early-mid 2000s, they both have such phenomenal timing in when the exact right moment to start selling is.
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Dawgstar posted:Ray Traylor was super underrated at selling. If I recall right, he was so good at selling for the big stars when he was an enhancement guy, particularly at "going up light" that they quickly pulled him off the air so they could repackage him as Big Bubba and make him a proper character member of the roster himself? The Cameo posted:Okada’s one of the greatest sellers of all time, dude sells kick outs better than a lot of guys sell finishers. You can literally follow the story of the match just by watching his face. Somebody put it best when they called his 2.9999999999 kickouts what Jeff Jarrett thought he was doing during his days as TNA Champion. 
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The Cameo posted:Okada’s one of the greatest sellers of all time, dude sells kick outs better than a lot of guys sell finishers. You can literally follow the story of the match just by watching his face. Yea to me he’s the best ever
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I think at this point when it comes to this whole wrestling thing, it's easier to list things that Okada is NOT good at. 1. The Money Clip. 2. Erm... help me out here, guys?
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Jan 26, 2021 11:53
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He loses lot of his game when he doesn't have a crowd.
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Hoss Corncave posted:I think at this point when it comes to this whole wrestling thing, it's easier to list things that Okada is NOT good at. Wrestling Yujiro
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