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Who released the C&C remaster? Gonna laugh so hard if EA's doing this poo poo better than blizz at this point.
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Milo and POTUS posted:Who released the C&C remaster? Gonna laugh so hard if EA's doing this poo poo better than blizz at this point. Petroglyph, run by former Westwood Studios employees and the guys who did Empire at War, Universe at War, Grey Goo... So good people who know their RTS. And Lemon Sky did the assets. Same people who did WC3:R, but this time with actual direction and agency.
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Jan 20, 2021 09:16
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Milo and POTUS posted:Who released the C&C remaster? Gonna laugh so hard if EA's doing this poo poo better than blizz at this point. WC3R is baffling from every possible angle. Someone with a lot of pull somehow got the hyper expensive, massive scope approved. And somehow the management of the project caused failures in almost every possible domain. Including really easy things for even a random person off the street to do in a day like "tell the community we're reducing the scope and not providing the cinematics/etc we promised". Instead, they somehow advertised this non-existent feature even post-release. I mean it shipped and it works now despite having fewer features than the game pre-remaster. It probably made more money than it cost to make, too. Khorne fucked around with this message at 16:31 on Jan 20, 2021 |
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Jan 20, 2021 16:01
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The SC and Age remasters had almost completely opposite philosophies when it came down to what to upgrade and I'd say they're both great and well worth a buy yet wcr couldn't follow either example and stick the landing and it's very funny and also very sad
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Jan 21, 2021 02:27
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I'm overdue for my once every 5 years "hey, I should replay WC3 and Frozen Throne campaigns" nostalgia run. The saddest part is that I had been planning to build a new computer since the very beginning of WC3 Reforged. I wasn't doing it just to play the remaster, but it seemed like a nice perk that this time, I could do it in HD on ultra everything settings. Finally piecing together my new PC this month, and I guess I'm just gonna  an old patch version of the game to get my fix.The Wiggly Wizard posted:I WC3's twitter hasn't updated since April 2020. I am having a hard time telling which is the bigger dumpster fire, WC3 Reforged or Diablo Immortal. They were both flaming bags of turds dropped at the doorstep of Blizzard fans, and then both were unceremoniously swept under the rug in the hopes people would forget it ever happened. I guess Reforged it worse, since it actively prevents me from playing a game I legally purchased and registered with Blizzard 15 years ago. Lmao
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Jan 22, 2021 05:59
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You can play your normal WC3 I think. You just can’t do most online things you’d want to do, and you can’t do custom campaigns. The install is also huge for dumb reasons? Idk I didn’t buy reforged and the news about it kinda killed WC3 for me.
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Jan 22, 2021 06:02
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So I’m taking it reforged is still poo poo? Is it still the worse option if I just wanna play the campaigns?
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Jan 22, 2021 06:30
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chaosapiant posted:So I’m taking it reforged is still poo poo? yes chaosapiant posted:Is it still the worse option if I just wanna play the campaigns? a few missions are way cooler, more than a few missions are way worse, and there are several story/dialogue changes that are very strange and kinda pointless
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Jan 22, 2021 06:50
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Honestly, the only change I didn't actually enjoy was them snipping any instance of "Grom" or "Furion" out of the dialogue in the Reign of Chaos campaigns, and some of the instances are spliced really badly. If you have reforged, I'd say it's definitely worth going through the campaigns in it at least once, but absolutely yourself an older version so you can play custom campaigns and poo poo. I wouldn't recommend buying it if you don't already have it. Even some of the less popular changed-levels I honestly still enjoyed because of the novelty of experiencing the changed levels, since I am a massive lore nerd.
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Jan 22, 2021 21:23
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As someone who's done level design for several years, many of the Reforged campaign maps are absolutely dire in their lack of quality. For example, anything to do with Dalaran has a good chance of having huge blank plateaus on the edges of the map - and often where the player can easily view them with flying units. There's also the final mission of RoC having its difficulty obliterated because of lovely scripting, which is not great if you cared about the challenge of the original.
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Jan 22, 2021 22:18
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Congratulations blizzard you set the new gold standard for what not to do in game design in general and remasters in particular
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Jan 22, 2021 23:59
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Kith posted:There's also the final mission of RoC having its difficulty obliterated because of lovely scripting, which is not great if you cared about the challenge of the original. How is that different to before reforged?
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Jan 23, 2021 10:15
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FoolyCharged posted:How is that different to before reforged? Hero units don't show up, attack waves are weaker, Archimonde is Level 1 with no abilities and an empty inventory. It may have been fixed, but I don't care enough to check. Edit: misunderstood your post. It was actually kinda hard originally! 
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Jan 23, 2021 13:08
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Felt the urge to pay wc3 again. Last playthrough was about five years ago. Wtf has blizzard done to my game. How do you mess this up this bad? This game barely even needed any work to run on a modern pc
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Jan 23, 2021 23:57
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Buck Turgidson posted:Felt the urge to pay wc3 again. Last playthrough was about five years ago. The game worked just fine on computers made the year it was released and immediately after Reforged, a specifically-gaming laptop could not run it without problems.
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Jan 24, 2021 00:32
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Do you think there's any chance in hell they could just flip a switch and revert the netcode and everything back to pre-reforged....oh who am I kidding, they prob trash the previous version of their games.
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Jan 24, 2021 15:01
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SirDrone posted:Do you think there's any chance in hell they could just flip a switch and revert the netcode and everything back to pre-reforged....oh who am I kidding, they prob trash the previous version of their games. And admit defeat?!
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Jan 24, 2021 15:17
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THE BAR posted:And admit defeat?! It was never about producing a product, it was about loving over everyone who already bought the game.
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Jan 24, 2021 18:36
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Tubgoat posted:It was never about producing a product, it was about loving over everyone who already bought the game. But that usually means making a product that makes the game work again, which WC:R doesn't. They're just breaking an old game out of spite, and of course it had to be one of their games I care deeply about.
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Jan 24, 2021 19:02
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THE BAR posted:They're just breaking an old game out of spite YEAH, I KNOW!! I'm pissed at Activision-Blizzard, not you loving god, WC3 was a perfect loving game.
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Jan 24, 2021 19:19
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Tubgoat posted:YEAH, I KNOW!! I didn't think you were! I'm just as outraged, and have to be reminded on a daily basis. I played a -lot- of custom maps. Wanna see my Legion TD trophy?? 
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Jan 24, 2021 19:21
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The one consolation we have is that, while online is trashed forever, you *can* still an older version of the game to still be able to access stuff like Custom Campaigns, for which there is *STILL* no support in Reforged.
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Jan 24, 2021 21:05
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Kith posted:Hero units don't show up, attack waves are weaker, Archimonde is Level 1 with no abilities and an empty inventory. It may have been fixed, but I don't care enough to check. Oh, I thought you were talking about how easy it is to abuse the scripting and make it send no waves at all. They ran the ne campaign at agdq this year and it was really funny watching them call time with a ton of time left on the in game countdown. I always used hippo archers instead of mines back in the day.
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Jan 24, 2021 21:21
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Thinking about goblin land mines in general makes me laugh so hard
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Jan 24, 2021 23:43
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THE BAR posted:I played a -lot- of custom maps. Wanna see my Legion TD trophy?? Aww, that's okay, friend.  I too enjoyed custom maps when they were run. Battleships owned bones, same with Dark Deeds, Island Troll Tribes was neat but goddamn impossible to get a full house for. Angel Arena et al was always fun for the first three minutes until someone found the "instant win" character or lucked into gambling an imba item.
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Jan 24, 2021 23:47
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Tubgoat posted:Aww, that's okay, friend. Agility heroes with bash were bullshit and made it clear the primary stat system wasn't designed for big numbers even more clearly than usual.
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FoolyCharged posted:Agility heroes with bash were bullshit and made it clear the primary stat system wasn't designed for big numbers even more clearly than usual. Ha, that's right, I forgot about those, it's been so long.
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Jan 25, 2021 02:46
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It is incredible Blizzard decided to gently caress over one of the last good games they made.
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Jan 25, 2021 18:46
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Milo and POTUS posted:Thinking about goblin land mines in general makes me laugh so hard Goblin Land Mines were before my time, I only ever encountered them in custom maps. I'm guessing they were utterly broken in ladder?
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Jan 25, 2021 20:49
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The meta was creep camps that could drop them and rush to the enemies main with them in hand. Sometimes the enemy would do the same to you! making for some very interesting games where you both lose your mine and most/all of your workers. Truth be told, I think it was a mistake to remove them entirely rather than rework them. You could easily halve or quarter their damage and put them on a long timer and make it so they don't murder buildings and units. The weirder the items the more fun and honestly novel the play but that's just me.
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Jan 26, 2021 02:43
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I need to remember to buy sappers more often. So satisfying to pop a bunch of moonwells like grapes while the enemy is occupied somewhere else
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FoolyCharged posted:Agility heroes with bash were bullshit and made it clear the primary stat system wasn't designed for big numbers even more clearly than usual. obviously the OP has never played 5.84b dota. noob
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The Wiggly Wizard posted:I need to remember to buy sappers more often. So satisfying to pop a bunch of moonwells like grapes while the enemy is occupied somewhere else I used to get a zeppelin with sappers and poke around the enemy base edge to find the most vital thing I could backdoor without getting attacked. Oh look the altar of heroes is reviving something! NOT ANYMORE FOR ALL MY HOMIES
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Jan 26, 2021 05:36
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When could you put them in zepps?
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Jan 26, 2021 07:12
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Wait, can't you still, they just cost 2 space because siege?
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Jan 26, 2021 12:02
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No you can't load sappers into zeps and you can't invis them.
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Jan 26, 2021 12:27
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I don't think Sappers have ever been able to go in transports and I got WC3 on release or very close to it. Maybe in the beta? I forget if there was one.
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Jan 26, 2021 12:28
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Get a tiny great hall from your orc ally, place it while you engage, TP an off-screen army of sappers in, have fun!
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Jan 26, 2021 12:33
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jokes posted:Get a tiny great hall from your orc ally, place it while you engage, TP an off-screen army of sappers in, have fun! Omfg.
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This reminds me of the troll account on gamefaqs that massed lumbermills
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