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Red Oktober
May 24, 2006

wiggly eyes!



And of course he writes for Spiked.

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knox_harrington
Feb 18, 2011

Running no point.

Bobstar posted:

Best sausage inna bun (i.e. the one I grew up with): the Thüringer

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thuringian_sausage

Of course we can't call it that anymore. It's PC PGI gone mad!

Mmm hot dogs

ThomasPaine
Feb 4, 2009

We have no compassion and we ask no compassion from you. When our turn comes, we shall not make excuses for the terror.

OwlFancier posted:

Really not buying the idea that QCs are some sort of professional profession, tbh, I think it's just a club for lunatics.

It's weird isn't it?

I get that QCs are obviously going to be a fairly conservative set of people because of course, but I would have expected them to at least be the ruthlessly clever, naked class interest type with a bit of natural cunning and the self-awareness to know when to shut up and when to pick their battles. In short I did not expect them to be the kind of people to line up to spout the absolute steamiest takes on Twitter every day, get dunked on, and respond by impotently crying about it as if they weren't aware all caps racism or clear libel on a public forum might have consequences. But that's apparently a good number of them! I could always believe they were evil, but I am always surprised at the jaw dropping stupidity of people who by definition need to be pretty well educated and whose whole job is arguing convincingly and knowing the law.

ThomasPaine fucked around with this message at 18:13 on Jan 26, 2021

NoneMoreNegative
Jul 20, 2000
GOTH FASCISTIC
PAIN
MASTER




shit wizard dad


Sounding like a R.E. Howard plot point.

The Question IRL
Jun 8, 2013

Only two contestants left! Here is Doom's chance for revenge...

ThomasPaine posted:

That's understandable, for the sake of a few months.

Yeah after the first baby, my wife ended up not having to keep up with Insulin and went back to normal very soon.

Now they put her on the Insulin within the first month of this pregnancy but we are optimistic that she will again get to stop with the diabetic treatment after Untitled Second Project is born.

DaWolfey
Oct 25, 2003

College Slice

ThomasPaine posted:

It's weird isn't it?

I am always surprised at the jaw dropping stupidity of people who by definition need to be pretty well educated and whose whole job is arguing convincingly and knowing the law.

I wonder if it's like the same as chefs who make amazing food, but eat like poo poo themselves.

ThomasPaine
Feb 4, 2009

We have no compassion and we ask no compassion from you. When our turn comes, we shall not make excuses for the terror.

The Question IRL posted:

Yeah after the first baby, my wife ended up not having to keep up with Insulin and went back to normal very soon.

Now they put her on the Insulin within the first month of this pregnancy but we are optimistic that she will again get to stop with the diabetic treatment after Untitled Second Project is born.

It would be quite unusual for gestational diabetes to stick around after birth, that's not something I'd be too worried about. Congrats to you and your wife too! :)

DaWolfey posted:

I wonder if it's like the same as chefs who make amazing food, but eat like poo poo themselves.

To be fair to chefs the last thing I'd want to do after spending all day making super technical fancy food is make more super technical fancy food. Get a pizza ordered and crack open a beer.

ThomasPaine fucked around with this message at 18:35 on Jan 26, 2021

goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

If you ask me about the mole people in the London Underground, I WILL be forced to kill you
Fun Shoe

OwlFancier posted:

Really not buying the idea that QCs are some sort of professional profession, tbh, I think it's just a club for lunatics.

Who would have thought that people who have striven their entire professional career (a profession that already requires them to wear horsehair wigs, black gowns, and never shake hands with other people in horsehair wigs and black gowns) for the right to wear a *silk* black gown and grey trousers instead of black, and are in turn still striving for the right to wear a much longer wig and a red silk gown with fur trim, would be a bit weird?

DaWolfey
Oct 25, 2003

College Slice

ThomasPaine posted:

It would be quite unusual for gestational diabetes to stick around after birth, that's not something I'd be too worried about. Congrats to you and your wife too! :)


To be fair to chefs the last thing I'd want to do after spending all day making super technical fancy food is make more super technical fancy food. Get a pizza ordered and crack open a beer.

Well that's what I mean - you spend all day giving carefully crafted legally sound argument, and then at home you spew out incoherent poorly thought out poo poo

keep punching joe
Jan 22, 2006

Die Satan!
In Scotland to become an Advocate you need to undertake a 2 year unpaid apprenticeship, so the profession here also filters out anyone who isn't already rich enough to afford it.

The Question IRL
Jun 8, 2013

Only two contestants left! Here is Doom's chance for revenge...

I don't think the issue is that QC's are all mad, so much as the QC's who go on Twitter and want you to know that they are QC's are a bit of a strange bunch.

It would be like someone who insists on signing all their posts with a full list of their qualifications.

WhatEvil
Jun 6, 2004

Can't get no luck.

ThomasPaine posted:

It's weird isn't it?

I get that QCs are obviously going to be a fairly conservative set of people because of course, but I would have expected them to at least be the ruthlessly clever, naked class interest type with a bit of natural cunning and the self-awareness to know when to shut up and when to pick their battles. In short I did not expect them to be the kind of people to line up to spout the absolute steamiest takes on Twitter every day, get dunked on, and respond by impotently crying about it as if they weren't aware all caps racism or clear libel on a public forum might have consequences. But that's apparently a good number of them! I could always believe they were evil, but I am always surprised at the jaw dropping stupidity of people who by definition need to be pretty well educated and whose whole job is arguing convincingly and knowing the law.

QCs put me in the mind of Flowers for Algernon - particularly the bit where (and I'm spoilering this because it's a good book and you should read it) he gets his IQ enhanced so much he's basically the smartest person alive and realises that all of these people who are in "high up" positions are ultimately loving dumb except for very narrow specialisation in one field.

Also like, Ben Carson, a literal loving brain surgeon who says bizarre and stupid poo poo like:

quote:

My own personal theory is that Joseph built the pyramids to store grain. Now all the archaeologists think that they were made for the pharaohs’ graves. But, you know, it would have to be something awfully big if you stop and think about it. And I don’t think it’d just disappear over the course of time to store that much grain,

"Smart people" generally aren't that smart overall, and people really need to get that into their heads - just because a person is renowned for being good at one thing does not mean you should listen to them on anything else (and also often people who are renowned for one thing aren't even actually that good at that one thing they're supposed to be good at).

Like, I'm objectively a "smart person" - not a neuroscientist or a QC or anything (in fact I'm unemployed currently and I have no qualifications higher than GCSEs) but I took a Mensa test when I was a teenager because a friend was doing it and I thought it would be fun, and I could've joined Mensa, but I didn't. Difference is I'm smart enough to know that IQ doesn't mean poo poo really, and I act loving stupid in a lot of ways and do a lot of stupid things, and I know that I'm ignorant in a lot of ways. As soon as you give somebody a title like QC you're immediately encouraging them to buy into their own hype and believe that they're an important person or a "thought leader" or that they're somehow unique in their insight, intellect, analytical skills etc. when in reality there are people working as binmen, builders, in supermarkets, and in other so-called "low status" jobs who are just as smart as they are but didn't have the same opportunities they had. I've personally known several people working as joiners, window-fitters, builders etc. who were definitely smart enough to be lawyers, doctors etc. but weren't from the right backgrounds.

Also as others have said there must be a selection bias towards them being conservative and authoritarian in the first place, and studies have shown that low-effort political thought encourages conservative political views.

So like, yes, you can be "smart" or "successful" or "renowned" etc., but that doesn't mean that you're putting in the required thought before spouting off some bullshit (yes yes, don't sign your posts). See also Prof. Brian Cox.

WhatEvil fucked around with this message at 18:52 on Jan 26, 2021

crispix
Mar 28, 2015

Grand-Maman m'a raconté
(Les éditions des amitiés franco-québécoises)

Hello, dear

The Question IRL posted:

I don't think the issue is that QC's are all mad, so much as the QC's who go on Twitter and want you to know that they are QC's are a bit of a strange bunch.

It would be like someone who insists on signing all their posts with a full list of their qualifications.

tempted to join twitter just to piss them off by wearing a periwig in my profile picture

Failed Imagineer
Sep 22, 2018
Not new sentiments here, but I just can't accept that if Jerome Crobbins was still the gaffer and 100k Britons were very visibly dead due to Tory fuckery, that he wouldn't be absolutely monstering Johnson in the polls.

Prevailing sentiments on BBC seem to be "awfully sad, shame nothing could have been done"

crispix
Mar 28, 2015

Grand-Maman m'a raconté
(Les éditions des amitiés franco-québécoises)

Hello, dear
ho hum thoughts and prayers

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

goddamnedtwisto posted:

Who would have thought that people who have striven their entire professional career (a profession that already requires them to wear horsehair wigs, black gowns, and never shake hands with other people in horsehair wigs and black gowns) for the right to wear a *silk* black gown and grey trousers instead of black, and are in turn still striving for the right to wear a much longer wig and a red silk gown with fur trim, would be a bit weird?

I would at least expect them to be more understanding of other people wanting to wear gowns and wigs.

sinky
Feb 22, 2011



Slippery Tilde
Hmm, this "full responsibility" that boris is taking seems very similar to taking no responsibility at all.

The Question IRL
Jun 8, 2013

Only two contestants left! Here is Doom's chance for revenge...

crispix posted:

tempted to join twitter just to piss them off by wearing a periwig in my profile picture

Funnily enough most of the BL's and SC's* I know in real life who are on Twitter don't put the title into their profile.

Like they might have it on their Bio, but they don't have it in their name since that would be just waving it around.

Most of the SC I have worked with in real life aren't just super specialised in the law. But their best attribute is they will find an expert in a specific field, talk to them and listen yo the expert.
Then when they talk about it in court, make it sound like they themselves are a master in this field.
At least that's what the good ones are like.

*= SC is Senior Counsel. The Irish equivalent of a QC.

big scary monsters
Sep 2, 2011

-~Skullwave~-
I have my 2000m swimming certificate in my Twitter profile, I want my online enemies to know that even the ocean is no barrier to me.

therattle
Jul 24, 2007
Soiled Meat

sinky posted:

Hmm, this "full responsibility" that boris is taking seems very similar to taking no responsibility at all.

He has nothing for which to take responsibility. The government did all it could and thus made no errors, so what is he to take responsibility fir?

Borrovan
Aug 15, 2013

IT IS ME.
🧑‍💼
I AM THERESA MAY


Failed Imagineer posted:

Not new sentiments here, but I just can't accept that if Jerome Crobbins was still the gaffer and 100k Britons were very visibly dead due to Tory fuckery, that he wouldn't be absolutely monstering Johnson in the polls.

Prevailing sentiments on BBC seem to be "awfully sad, shame nothing could have been done"
A thought that occurred to me earlier on (& I'm not well atm so apologies if it's poorly thought through or written):

Common sense tells us that, when a leader is botching a public crisis, people should get pissed off with it. But, accepted wisdom tells us that in times of crisis voters tend to rally around the leader. In the 2017 GE campaign, there was a terror attack; per "accepted wisdom", that should have meant a boost in the polls for May, but, with Corbyn around, it actually went the other way (see also: Grenfell, arguably).

I'm wondering if the "rally round the flag effect" basically assumes that party leaders are all lovely self-interested focus-grouped empty suits, since that's what 99.9999% of the observable data in political science comes from, and falls down to "common sense" where a party is led by an actual human being, with like, thoughts & emotions & stuff.

Shyrka
Feb 10, 2005

Small Boss likes to spin!

WhatEvil posted:

Carson's weird 'Pyramids store grain' bit.

I have to wonder if he came up with this after playing Civilization.

Communist Thoughts
Jan 7, 2008

Our war against free speech cannot end until we silence this bronze beast!


big scary monsters posted:

I have my 2000m swimming certificate in my Twitter profile, I want my online enemies to know that even the ocean is no barrier to me.

Lol

BalloonFish
Jun 30, 2013



Fun Shoe

Failed Imagineer posted:

Not new sentiments here, but I just can't accept that if Jerome Crobbins was still the gaffer and 100k Britons were very visibly dead due to Tory fuckery, that he wouldn't be absolutely monstering Johnson in the polls.

Prevailing sentiments on BBC seem to be "awfully sad, shame nothing could have been done"

Equally (unfortunately) you just know that had he by some miracle won in 2019 and was now PM, he would probably have been deposed (or outright coup-ed) in March as soon as the first pictures of empty supermarket shelves hit the press as everyone frothed themselves into a frenzy about Venezuela comparisons and even the mildest lockdown or other restrictions would have been beaten down as pure 'neo-Stalinist fascism' or something and signs of Corbyn's inherent lust for power and control. Lawrence Fox and Nigel Farage would be organising 'Liberty Festivals' so proud freedom-loving Brits could have mass-gatherings to defy Comrade Corbyn and the Telegraph would be encouraging readers to eat out for all three meals a day as an act of civil disobedience. They're not far off doing that already!

If Corbs survived that, and assuming a Corbyn Labour govt would do something more proactive and rigorous than what we got (say something along the lines of a zero-Covid strategy), the press would about now be running headlines about how Corbyn's Labour Runs Red...With the Blood of the Victims of His Regime as Covid Deaths Surge Uncontrollably Into Triple Figures.

Grimly predictable.

thebardyspoon
Jun 30, 2005
gently caress me, this job searching malarkey is an absolute crapshoot. Had an interview a couple weeks ago, thought it went pretty well, they said they'd let me know the outcome by the 22nd, didn't mention a second interview but I assumed there'd probably be one so I mulled over what I'd learned in the first one, worked out my strategy for working on the project they'd told me about, etc. Friday passes with nothing so I shrugged and went on with my life, this Monday morning I see an email offering me a second interview on Wednesday, which is both my birthday and a day where I have a medical appointment an hour before they're suggesting the interview so no chance I can make that without cancelling/rearranging the appointment.

So I thought "well no problem, I can surely ask for another day or time for the interview, that seems pretty reasonable". I send a reply saying that I can do Wednesday but I'd have to rearrange some stuff so would it be possible to do it Thursday or Friday potentially? I need the job but that seems like a fair request to me. I sent another email around midday today just in case they needed a nudge, possibly pushy but gently caress it and they haven't sent a reply confirming if the interview is tomorrow or later in the week (and I would need a link to the google hangout thing or other venue) so I've spent the entirety of today and yesterday plus previous effort before I knew about it, prepping for something that possibly might not happen because they've ghosted me for having the temerity to ask to reschedule an interview they were offering with two days notice*.

Just absolutely sick of poo poo with this combined with the 3rd lockdown, me turning 33 tomorrow and having been out of work for nearly 6 months now. I know the adage is "well you wouldn't want to work at a place that ghosts you for that right?" but I'm at the point where I really don't care what I do or who for, I just want a job I can do that isn't a contract with no extension possible (my last two jobs) and that pays enough for me to buy some videogames and eat well each month cause there's not much else that seems likely at this point.

Sorry for the whining, I just needed to vent about that somewhere.

thebardyspoon fucked around with this message at 21:07 on Jan 26, 2021

WhatEvil
Jun 6, 2004

Can't get no luck.

big scary monsters posted:

I have my 2000m swimming certificate in my Twitter profile, I want my online enemies to know that even the ocean is no barrier to me.

Arnold Judas Rimmer, BSc., SSc.

Jaeluni Asjil
Apr 18, 2018

Sorry I thought you were a landlord when I gave you your old avatar!
Is the forum playing up for anyone else? Sometimes timing out, not loading etc? Have tried 3 different wifis and same with all of them. Other websites loading fine.

WhatEvil
Jun 6, 2004

Can't get no luck.

Seems fine to me.

blunt
Jul 7, 2005

Jaeluni Asjil posted:

Is the forum playing up for anyone else? Sometimes timing out, not loading etc? Have tried 3 different wifis and same with all of them. Other websites loading fine.

Yeah, intermittently not resolving/running super slow.

Marmaduke!
May 19, 2009

Why would it do that!?

Jaeluni Asjil posted:

Is the forum playing up for anyone else? Sometimes timing out, not loading etc? Have tried 3 different wifis and same with all of them. Other websites loading fine.

Got a rare double post a few minutes ago, not sure who's fault it is though, Jemery Crobun or the EU?

Jaeluni Asjil
Apr 18, 2018

Sorry I thought you were a landlord when I gave you your old avatar!

WhatEvil posted:

Seems fine to me.

Maybe because you're connecting via Canada? Maybe some issue with UK internet. I don't know where the nearest common 'node' is to SA - hosted on USA servers I guess.

Tried on Three (2 different wifis) and BTWiFi. The BT is marginally better than the Three but still glitching.

knox_harrington
Feb 18, 2011

Running no point.

The Question IRL posted:

Most of the SC I have worked with in real life aren't just super specialised in the law. But their best attribute is they will find an expert in a specific field, talk to them and listen yo the expert.
Then when they talk about it in court, make it sound like they themselves are a master in this field.
At least that's what the good ones are like.

That sounds very much like bullshitting :unsmith:

WhatEvil
Jun 6, 2004

Can't get no luck.

Jaeluni Asjil posted:

Maybe because you're connecting via Canada? Maybe some issue with UK internet. I don't know where the nearest common 'node' is to SA - hosted on USA servers I guess.

Tried on Three (2 different wifis) and BTWiFi. The BT is marginally better than the Three but still glitching.

Yeah it's possible - I think the UK will be connecting to a different (cloudflare is it?) server?

ThomasPaine
Feb 4, 2009

We have no compassion and we ask no compassion from you. When our turn comes, we shall not make excuses for the terror.

Jaeluni Asjil posted:

Is the forum playing up for anyone else? Sometimes timing out, not loading etc? Have tried 3 different wifis and same with all of them. Other websites loading fine.

Yeah, it's being slow and spotty for me too

The Question IRL
Jun 8, 2013

Only two contestants left! Here is Doom's chance for revenge...

WhatEvil posted:

Arnold Judas Rimmer, BSc., SSc.

If you click on the i in the Swimming Certificate you will get the secret message that tells you what is really going on.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

Internet packets are stuck on a runway in kent.

Jaeluni Asjil
Apr 18, 2018

Sorry I thought you were a landlord when I gave you your old avatar!
Love this guy's tweets.

https://twitter.com/gathara/status/1353279937894100992?s=20

goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

If you ask me about the mole people in the London Underground, I WILL be forced to kill you
Fun Shoe

Shyrka posted:

I have to wonder if he came up with this after playing Civilization.

IIRC it's a weird American church thing that fits into a whole alternative history that basically tries to pretend there was literally no religion on Earth at all until Moses came along, which something something we need to sell thumbscrews to Israel because Jesus.

Vitamin P
Nov 19, 2013

Truth is game rigging is more difficult than it looks pls stay ded
Latest Moggcast dropped and gotta be honest Big Jacob seemed shook. Last episode was a month and a half ago and in the intervening period Britain left the EU but I don't think it came up even once, wonder why, and he did the Douglas Murray thing of 'yeah UK covid has been rough but it was us or Corbyn so don't complain too hard'.

It is insane how the press is doing absolutely nothing to hold the government to account on loving up covid this hard. It was forgiveable at the start, we're all in this together/uncharted waters/tough choices etc but it's been almost a year and they've failed to the level that for historical 'which country in the entire world did worst' discussions the UK is a contender but there's still no substansive criticism. It really feels like the events of the last few years have kind of changed the relationship between the media and the right-wing political class like so much of the facade of objectivity was dropped that they can't pretend it was meaningfully there as they did before.

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Pistol_Pete
Sep 15, 2007

Oven Wrangler
Yeah, the media seem to be a lot more mask-off (heh) than they used to be: I've been following politics for a loooong time and I'm sure it all didn't used to be as brazen as it is now.

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