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IcePhoenix posted:ugh the closest oil to me is so far away Automating production of all your building supplies and common buildings is pretty essential and something you won't regret. Running massive stacks of conveyors around the planet is pretty cheap.
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seaborgium posted:It's near the bottom of the tech tree, Energy Matrix. It's to the right of High Efficiency Plasma Control. Took me forever to find it as well. i grab a thousand foundations, hold down lmb, and just quick-drag the mouse across nearby un-developed land masses. so you're not filling them in with foundation, just every few squares. gets a few hundred k soil pretty quick/cheaply i think you need 2 gaps between every tile foundation tile to get all the soil.
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IcePhoenix posted:ugh the closest oil to me is so far away Dont forget to stack the wireless chargers around each other to charge yourself faster.
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IcePhoenix posted:ugh the closest oil to me is so far away Switch from coal to energetic carbon, you can do that with just a smelter and coal and you'll need it for other stuff anyways. It lasts longer. You can use oil and petroleum as well to power your robot, so once you have a well up and running you can refuel from that. I think that lasts longer as well, though I haven't checked. awesmoe posted:i grab a thousand foundations, hold down lmb, and just quick-drag the mouse across nearby un-developed land masses. so you're not filling them in with foundation, just every few squares. gets a few hundred k soil pretty quick/cheaply I'll do that, I'm just paving slowly where I need it for now. I'll get the whole planet eventually.
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Rynoto posted:Automating production of all your building supplies and common buildings is pretty essential and something you won't regret. Running massive stacks of conveyors around the planet is pretty cheap. yeah I might just either tear everything down to reorganize a little or just start over Deadmeat5150 posted:Dont forget to stack the wireless chargers around each other to charge yourself faster. the speed bothers me less than the range, if I have to go to a specific spot to recharge I'd rather just go grab a few stacks of coal and stick them in my core so I can get back to my business seaborgium posted:Switch from coal to energetic carbon, you can do that with just a smelter and coal and you'll need it for other stuff anyways. It lasts longer. You can use oil and petroleum as well to power your robot, so once you have a well up and running you can refuel from that. I think that lasts longer as well, though I haven't checked. oh nice, thank you
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Embrace the spaghetti. This is way too complicated but it took 2 hours and it works. Oil comes out the back. Verticality in this is much more fun/interesting than satisfactory.
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Jan 26, 2021 20:48
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I restarted and then felt silly when I realized that I could have just ripped everything down and rebuilt in my existing save with all of my technology saved. Worst case just launch yourself into space and go to another solar system.
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Jan 26, 2021 20:51
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I was really proud of the tiling x-ray cracking setup I had enough even though I tore it down completely after two more techs when fuel became useful instead of trash. I actually like that though, it shifts from all being about hydrogen, to liquid oil, to wanting both. I never went very heavy in factorio on robots for anything beyond construction and logistics for my own inventory/builder trains, but I've moved everything on my starting planet over to it. My planet looks like a spaghetti of logi ports now. At some point I'll move to another solar system and I kind of want to try a full bus all the way around the equator, I think it'd look rad. Also, is there a way to pick up off belts or out of logi ports? I've just been putting storage boxes with stack size of 1 on the outputs for things I use for handcrafting rare buildings.
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Jan 26, 2021 20:59
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Boogalo posted:Embrace the spaghetti. This is way too complicated but it took 2 hours and it works. Oil comes out the back. This is absolutely how all of my poo poo is. It’s like legacy software - please don’t touch it, no we don’t know how it works, just incorporate the output into your new systems. I had a half assed attempt to make a mall at one point and my blue research kinda grew over the top of that. After installing a functioning red research area my blue research was the new bottleneck, so I found a line of stalled out copper plates and routed them into a new chain to make more blue research. Were they part of the abandoned mall? An oversupply for the existing blue research facilities? Something more important? Who knows!
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IcePhoenix posted:ugh the closest oil to me is so far away You should hopefully have energetic carbon by this point, which stores a lot more energy!
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Jan 26, 2021 21:03
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Boogalo posted:Embrace the spaghetti. This is way too complicated but it took 2 hours and it works. Oil comes out the back. I'm finding laziness and speed of setting up things like this to be more appealing than making it pretty, after 60 hours into the game. This took me about 10 minutes to toss together:  It's time for me to start harvesting the gas giant I'm orbiting since I have a dire need for deuterium for green science and warpers.
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Jan 26, 2021 21:07
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Boogalo posted:Embrace the spaghetti. This is way too complicated but it took 2 hours and it works. Oil comes out the back. Yeah I definitely want to get spaghettified but the way I set up smelters and stuff right now I think requires a full teardown. As also pointed out above though I keep all my technologies and buildings if I do that so that's probably the best way for me to go. Probably gonna leave my coal power station going though.
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Jan 26, 2021 21:12
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apseudonym posted:I was really proud of the tiling x-ray cracking setup I had enough even though I tore it down completely after two more techs when fuel became useful instead of trash. You can click on the belt and get a popup window showing what it is holding. Then click and hold on the item window to keep emptying the conveyor.
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Jan 26, 2021 21:14
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So you can't pack conveyors any tighter unless they're going into a building apparently. Sorters can be jammed next to each other, but on the other side I've got to do 2 distance sorter output to the lateral conveyors due to their distance from middle. Once it all gets to research it goes back to being bunched up again, weird.  e, Oh yeah the gridlines are offset wth:  don't ask about my terrible conveyors I'm trying to figure stuff out 
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Jan 26, 2021 21:25
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apseudonym posted:Also, is there a way to pick up off belts or out of logi ports? For logi ports, right click on the thing to take some out I also found out you can click on a logi port in planet view to see what it's shipping, but it would be even better to also have a list of all ports on a planet there
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Jan 26, 2021 21:29
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LifeSunDeath posted:e, Oh yeah the gridlines are offset wth: Yeah the way the game deals with building on a sphere is by offsetting the grid when you get closer to the poles. If you want to avoid this just stay on the equator.
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Jan 26, 2021 21:32
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Anyone have smart thoughts yet on dyson swarm orbits vs gun placement? It seems like the most effective arrangement for me so far is guns all around on the equator firing at a polar (90 degree) dyson swarm, with groups of ray receivers at the north/south poles. I don't know if that's good or bad or why it works 
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Jan 26, 2021 21:35
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Rynoto posted:Yeah the way the game deals with building on a sphere is by offsetting the grid when you get closer to the poles. If you want to avoid this just stay on the equator. interesting. thanks. I'll let my factories be a mess like I did in satisfactory then.
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Jan 26, 2021 21:38
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grate deceiver posted:For logi ports, right click on the thing to take some out Gadzuko posted:You can click on the belt and get a popup window showing what it is holding. Then click and hold on the item window to keep emptying the conveyor. God damnit, thanks you two.
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Ciaphas posted:Anyone have smart thoughts yet on dyson swarm orbits vs gun placement? It seems like the most effective arrangement for me so far is guns all around on the equator firing at a polar (90 degree) dyson swarm, with groups of ray receivers at the north/south poles. I don't know if that's good or bad or why it works No idea.. I just know that I started reading the in game help page about how it calculates power and my eyes glazed over until I closed the window and decided "Eh I'll just shoot a bunch at the sun and see wha happun  "
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oil setup post only outputs hydrogen, sulfuric acid and plastic. now i need to actually use them all at full speed so nothing backs up or else the entire setup freezes.
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Jan 26, 2021 21:48
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I just wanted to show another pretty picture.
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I'm contemplating putting energized graphite on logistics, that's such a huge waste of power though 
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Jan 26, 2021 22:00
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IcePhoenix posted:I wish the wireless chargers had a bigger range so I didn't have to just haul a bunch of coal around to power my robit It's not proper steampunk unless your robit is coal powered 
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Jan 26, 2021 22:02
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Ciaphas posted:I'm contemplating putting energized graphite on logistics, that's such a huge waste of power though Depending on how you're using it, it makes some thing a ton easier. I'm making so much that I ship it off planet to power generators outside of my starter world.
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Boogalo posted:Embrace the spaghetti. This is way too complicated but it took 2 hours and it works. Oil comes out the back. Huh I didn't know you could stack splitters, I assume they only transfer on the same level?
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It's been said before but it bears repeating, you can rotate a mining machine freely by holding shift and R. It sometimes makes it a lot easier to position miners perfectly so you have full coverage of all the nodes this way.
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OwlFancier posted:Huh I didn't know you could stack splitters, I assume they only transfer on the same level? You can actually do both, but in that picture it's unrelated. They have two single level splitters stacked, each one independently routing things in four directions on their lowest z level. If you note the second splitter is actually routing on z level 3. You can also hit tab to make splitters swap things between z levels, which is different than what you see in the picture. In these modes it has two ports on it's lower level and two ports on it's upper level, one configuration has em parallel one has em perpendicular. You can freely route high to low or low to high. A splitter building is always 2 z levels high no matter it's configuration. Base utilizes z level 1, the two other modes use 1 and 2. Also also, while we're discussing splitter tech: if you click a splitter you can both prioritize an output direction (so it always outputs that one unless blocked, good for setting up overflow instead of splitting evenly) AND you can set a filter to what it let's through each specific port. All that said other than being able to split things one level up I'm not using most of the functions, they're really not required other than the base use. But I'm really excited to see what tricks people do with them or experiment to take advantage of the priority and filter system to do some weird poo poo with mixed belts. There's a lot of functionality built into that relatively simple building. threelemmings fucked around with this message at 22:36 on Jan 26, 2021 |
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TwystNeko posted:That's really nice and compact, but don't you have issues with resource starvation for refineries further down the line? Edit: No, my bad, I meant 12 refineries. I forgot I split from a tank into two parallel lines of crude. WithoutTheFezOn fucked around with this message at 22:48 on Jan 26, 2021 |
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threelemmings posted:You can actually do both, but in that picture it's unrelated. They have two single level splitters stacked, each one independently routing things in four directions on their lowest z level. If you note the second splitter is actually routing on z level 3. Sorry, for clarity, I know about the multi level splitters, what I mean is, if you stack them, you cannot input things onto the top splitter and have it come out the bottom one, I assume? As in the whole stack does not operate as a connected interchange?
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OwlFancier posted:Sorry, for clarity, I know about the multi level splitters, what I mean is, if you stack them, you cannot input things onto the top splitter and have it come out the bottom one, I assume? As in the whole stack does not operate as a connected interchange? Ah then no, they're completely independent other than physically stacking. Sorry, lots of folks hadn't known about either of those extra functions!
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Oil production, huh The basic refinery line continues for maybe 10 refineries more to the left. Red + yellow + purple science eats a lot of oil. Fortunately, T3 belts mean you don't really have to worry that much about belt throughput, at least in the mid game. I know don't really need that many splitters and should sideload more, but I like how they look so nyah. 
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And now my bottleneck is Deuterium. I need SO MUCH to make strange matter so I can make Lenses so I can make warpers.
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Ciaphas posted:I'm contemplating putting energized graphite on logistics, that's such a huge waste of power though I'm shipping in raw iron ore from another planet by the tens of thousands because one ancient rear end supply chain relies on it and there are no veins even remotely close by.
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Catpain Slack posted:I'm shipping in raw iron ore from another planet by the tens of thousands because one ancient rear end supply chain relies on it and there are no veins even remotely close by. I'm getting to this point. Basically trying to plug up holes in a sinking ship as other holes are appearing. I really need to get my gas giant vacuum thing set up because my oil production just isn't cutting it right now and jesus I need some Hydrogen. I'll just keep myself busy fixing the factory.. over here 
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explosivo posted:It's been said before but it bears repeating, you can rotate a mining machine freely by holding shift and R. It sometimes makes it a lot easier to position miners perfectly so you have full coverage of all the nodes this way. saw this done in a video and blew my mind. it's weird that other stuff has the prompt for holding shift to not align with building but it does nothing as far as I can tell.
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Deadmeat5150 posted:Depending on how you're using it, it makes some thing a ton easier. I'm making so much that I ship it off planet to power generators outside of my starter world. Even with logistics there's no sense of organization to my planets whatsoever. My second's a little better but not much On the other hand, my dyson swarm just broke 100MW 
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Short a circuit network, you can use splitter priorities to burn off excess refinery products. Example: hydrogen goes to a splitter with priority output to the main factory but if that is backed up, the excess gets shunted into generators, then the priority input for THAT line is for hydrogen, so I'm not burning refined oil unless the hydrogen isn't backed up. Just having an enormous line of generators works well as a burn-off flare. Though DSP doesn't have the nice factorio thing of generators only using fuel to supply electric demand. Once fuel is in it burns at max rate and power generation for the item.
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Splitter priorities are one of the best design decisions in the game and it makes me wish satisfactory had them as well.
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