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Hot Karl Marx
Mar 16, 2009

Politburo regulations about social distancing require to downgrade your Karlmarxing to cold, and sorry about the dnc primaries, please enjoy!
https://twitter.com/MyPillowUSA/status/1354181314157527041

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Hexyflexy
Sep 2, 2011

asymptotically approaching one

Hot Karl Marx posted:

why does he have to ruin everything

libertarians gonna libertarian

CommieGIR
Aug 22, 2006

The blue glow is a feature, not a bug


Pillbug

Gonna scream about being cancelled on one of the largest Right Wing International News channels with global coverage.

bulletsponge13
Apr 28, 2010

Can someone explain to me (preferably with crayons) this Game stop nonsense? You all are saying words I know, but not in that order.

Edgar
Sep 9, 2005

Oh my heck!
Oh heavens!
Oh my lord!
OH Sweet meats!
Wedge Regret
Got a RH account. Now waiting for my account to verify. God first time exposure to stocks.

ded
Oct 27, 2005

Kooler than Jesus
something something reddit hype a stock to prove some bullshit and more :words: ect

its buttcoin, kind of

Nessus
Dec 22, 2003

After a Speaker vote, you may be entitled to a valuable coupon or voucher!



bulletsponge13 posted:

Can someone explain to me (preferably with crayons) this Game stop nonsense? You all are saying words I know, but not in that order.
Looks like a reddit forum is pumping the stock because people can easily make trades on Robinhood, and the computers and morons are blindly stampeding around. While there seems to be no specific ringleader, this is the "pump and dump" stock market operation, which is a. pretty much "hype up stock so the value goes up, sell your stock during the inflated period, leave them holding the bag" and b. I think at least sort of illegal, maybe?

CRUSTY MINGE
Mar 30, 2011

Peggy Hill
Foot Connoisseur
Hedge funds and individuals short sell gamestop shares, thinking it will go down. Meme stonk buyers buy up all available shares so short sellers can't buy them to close their positions. Price goes up because now short sellers have to wait until meme stonkers want to sell, which drives the price higher if every idiot redditor hodls like its bitcoins.

And something about gamestop stock being 130% shorted. More than actually exist.

facialimpediment
Feb 11, 2005

as the world turns
We're also now into the time when everyone should be dumping and people that don't are going to get hosed.

https://twitter.com/EricBalchunas/status/1354187341582233611

Flashbacks to bitcoin - lots of people now buying high instead of selling high, though loving over the short-sellers might be its own justification in itself.

Mr. Nice!
Oct 13, 2005

bone shaking.
soul baking.

bulletsponge13 posted:

Can someone explain to me (preferably with crayons) this Game stop nonsense? You all are saying words I know, but not in that order.

hedge fund had massive bet against gamestop because the company is circling the drain. hedge fund jackass is loud about it and how big his position is. some reddit people take offense and decide to gently caress with him for the lols.

because the hedge fund dude was overexposed and with knowledge of the way algorithms will react to certain purchases, they were able to gently caress the hedge fund. the hedge funds bet gets called and that causes the stock to shoot up higher.

today they're buying the stock and using options to pump the price to help out the people who bought in yesterday to make money.

CRUSTY MINGE
Mar 30, 2011

Peggy Hill
Foot Connoisseur
I think I saw in the doomsday econ thread that another hedge fund will go down in the morning if the price keeps up.

Google says after hours is about 218, closed at 148 less than two hours ago. So yeah, hedge fund going down.

E: holy poo poo that's a lot of new posts in the doomsday econ thread.

fknlo
Jul 6, 2009


Fun Shoe
AMC is up over $2 from where I bought. I'll laugh if it gets to a point where I wish I would have dumped a grand into it instead of $200.

My robinhood account verified instantly. I wonder if this has anything to do with the amount of money in my checking account when I linked it?

UP THE BUM NO BABY
Sep 1, 2011

by Hand Knit
just lol if you're opening up a Robinhood account right now

lightpole
Jun 4, 2004
I think that MBAs are useful, in case you are looking for an answer to the question of "Is lightpole a total fucking idiot".
Gains and losses only exist when the trade is finalized.

facialimpediment
Feb 11, 2005

as the world turns

lightpole posted:

Gains and losses only exist when the trade is finalized.

And generally the time to get in is at the very start of the meme, then sell around the time Elon Musk tweets about it.

Everyone thinks they know what "Buy Low, Sell High" means, but they usually end up doing the reverse.

boop the snoot
Jun 3, 2016
Be sure to post the results in the idiot thread when you folks are done

Acebuckeye13
Nov 2, 2010

Against All Tyrants

Ultra Carp

facialimpediment posted:

And generally the time to get in is at the very start of the meme, then sell around the time Elon Musk tweets about it.

Everyone thinks they know what "Buy Low, Sell High" means, but they usually end up doing the reverse.

That's why I decided to invest in pumpkin futures. Last I checked in October those babies were riding high, and I figure they'll begin peaking right around January.

Hyrax Attack!
Jan 13, 2009

We demand to be taken seriously

Mr. Nice! posted:

hedge fund had massive bet against gamestop because the company is circling the drain. hedge fund jackass is loud about it and how big his position is. some reddit people take offense and decide to gently caress with him for the lols.

because the hedge fund dude was overexposed and with knowledge of the way algorithms will react to certain purchases, they were able to gently caress the hedge fund. the hedge funds bet gets called and that causes the stock to shoot up higher.

today they're buying the stock and using options to pump the price to help out the people who bought in yesterday to make money.

Thanks for explanation. So kinda like the end of Trading Places where the hedge fund is the Duke bros?

Acebuckeye13 posted:

That's why I decided to invest in pumpkin futures. Last I checked in October those babies were riding high, and I figure they'll begin peaking right around January.

Hope you only need one of your livers

maffew buildings
Apr 29, 2009

too dumb to be probated; not too dumb to be autobanned

Acebuckeye13 posted:

That's why I decided to invest in pumpkin futures. Last I checked in October those babies were riding high, and I figure they'll begin peaking right around January.

THIS GUY GETS IT

lightpole
Jun 4, 2004
I think that MBAs are useful, in case you are looking for an answer to the question of "Is lightpole a total fucking idiot".

facialimpediment posted:

And generally the time to get in is at the very start of the meme, then sell around the time Elon Musk tweets about it.

Everyone thinks they know what "Buy Low, Sell High" means, but they usually end up doing the reverse.

The hedge funds are getting capital from other billionaires and are probably doubling down on their position at the current price if they can. Their losses are on paper and if they can hold they are in a really strong position. I have doubts that reddit can sustain the price long enough to force them out.

Stultus Maximus
Dec 21, 2009

USPOL May

fknlo posted:

AMC is up over $2 from where I bought. I'll laugh if it gets to a point where I wish I would have dumped a grand into it instead of $200.

My robinhood account verified instantly. I wonder if this has anything to do with the amount of money in my checking account when I linked it?

So you understand that it's going to go back down when this silliness is over, right? And you only realize the gains if you sell, and you'll be subject to short term capital gains rate?

bengy81
May 8, 2010
Solid financial advice:

Instead of RH accounts, you all should open ignition or ACR accounts and play poker or something. You will probably have more fun in the long run, and probably the exact same results at the end.

Edgar
Sep 9, 2005

Oh my heck!
Oh heavens!
Oh my lord!
OH Sweet meats!
Wedge Regret
RH deleted. Got spooked out of it already haha.

maffew buildings
Apr 29, 2009

too dumb to be probated; not too dumb to be autobanned
ACR either had or still has serious issues with bots at the tables so this being the RH of poker tracks.

Hexyflexy
Sep 2, 2011

asymptotically approaching one

Edgar posted:

RH deleted. Got spooked out of it already haha.

Congratulations, you made the only winning move. Now watch a lot of people not do that.

CommieGIR
Aug 22, 2006

The blue glow is a feature, not a bug


Pillbug
Not touching that poop, but I've been meaning to play with stocks for a while.

I guess that's technically touching the poop, since its all poop. But yeah, never going to invest a significant amount in it.

CRUSTY MINGE
Mar 30, 2011

Peggy Hill
Foot Connoisseur
I deleted the app when they didn't give me a free stock for downloading it.

gently caress giving those idiots my bank info.

Vincent Van Goatse
Nov 8, 2006

Enjoy every sandwich.

Smellrose

Hot Karl Marx posted:

why does he have to ruin everything

It's his nature, he can't help himself.

fknlo
Jul 6, 2009


Fun Shoe

Stultus Maximus posted:

So you understand that it's going to go back down when this silliness is over, right? And you only realize the gains if you sell, and you'll be subject to short term capital gains rate?

Yes. If it doesn't go up or whatever it was only $200. I just picked up a PS5 that I got even though I wasn't really trying to get one. I've done way dumber poo poo with money.

Hot Karl Marx
Mar 16, 2009

Politburo regulations about social distancing require to downgrade your Karlmarxing to cold, and sorry about the dnc primaries, please enjoy!
theyre threatening to just start doing this to a bunch of companies to gently caress over hedge fund places

Discussion Quorum
Dec 5, 2002
Armchair Philistine

CRUSTY MINGE posted:

Hedge funds and individuals short sell gamestop shares, thinking it will go down. Meme stonk buyers buy up all available shares so short sellers can't buy them to close their positions. Price goes up because now short sellers have to wait until meme stonkers want to sell, which drives the price higher if every idiot redditor hodls like its bitcoins.

And something about gamestop stock being 130% shorted. More than actually exist.

The other part of this is when you short a stonk, you are borrowing the shares from someone who already has them, selling them, and planning to buy them back later and return them. You have to return the same number of sales, so ideally you sell high, buy low, and pocket the difference. You put up collateral as part of the deal.

The worse your position gets under scenario, the more collateral you have to put up. Eventually holding the trade becomes too expensive and you need to buy the stock and return it to close the trade. When a lot of people need to do this at once, demand vastly outstrips supply. The price spikes and even more shorts find themselves too far underwater. It becomes a vicious cycle called a "short squeeze."

This gets more complicated when you use derivatives to construct a "synthetic short" but that also opens up even cleverer ways to gently caress yourself.

Pervis
Jan 12, 2001

YOSPOS

Discussion Quorum posted:

The other part of this is when you short a stonk, you are borrowing the shares from someone who already has them, selling them, and planning to buy them back later and return them. You have to return the same number of sales, so ideally you sell high, buy low, and pocket the difference. You put up collateral as part of the deal.

The worse your position gets under scenario, the more collateral you have to put up. Eventually holding the trade becomes too expensive and you need to buy the stock and return it to close the trade. When a lot of people need to do this at once, demand vastly outstrips supply. The price spikes and even more shorts find themselves too far underwater. It becomes a vicious cycle called a "short squeeze."

This gets more complicated when you use derivatives to construct a "synthetic short" but that also opens up even cleverer ways to gently caress yourself.

Eons (months) ago someone pointed out in the doomsday thread in C-SPAM that shorts have a hard limit on your gain (ie, stock going to 0) but do not have the same hard limit on a loss. If it's at 20 and you think it will drop to $5, you gain $15/share, but if it jumps to $100 or $200 for some strange reason, your loss is substantially higher than even the most you could have ever gained under any outcome.

shame on an IGA
Apr 8, 2005

I've blown up my predictit account enough times in the last year to just sit here with some popcorn this time

but yall should definitely get in early on the other stocks that might be vulnerable to this like AMC, Tootsie Roll, and Faygo.

shame on an IGA fucked around with this message at 00:44 on Jan 27, 2021

Zamujasa
Oct 27, 2010



Bread Liar
If you buy a stock, the most you lose is whatever you put in if the stock crashes to $0 or otherwise goes away.

If you short, you lose whatever the difference is between "what you started at" and "when your short ends", which can be really bad.



If you buy a stock at $10:
- Stock goes down to $5: Your $10 is now worth $5.
- Stock goes up to $20: Your $10 is now worth $20.
- Stock goes up to $200: Your $10 is now worth $200.

If you short a stock at $10:
- Stock goes down to $5: You made $5.
- Stock goes up to $20: You now owe $10.
- Stock goes up to $200 because of some memelords on Reddit: You now owe $190.

Now multiply this times a few hundreds or thousands.

As Nero Danced
Sep 3, 2009

Alright, let's do this
Someone needs to edit Casino Royale so Bond is trying to stop the terrorist from blowing up a gamestop plane carrying a ps5 shipment.

CommieGIR
Aug 22, 2006

The blue glow is a feature, not a bug


Pillbug

As Nero Danced posted:

Someone needs to edit Casino Royale so Bond is trying to stop the terrorist from blowing up a gamestop plane carrying a ps5 shipment.

Explains why I can't get a PS5 for my wife

EBB
Feb 15, 2005

Stultus Maximus
Dec 21, 2009

USPOL May

Mr. Nice! posted:

hedge fund had massive bet against gamestop because the company is circling the drain. hedge fund jackass is loud about it and how big his position is. some reddit people take offense and decide to gently caress with him for the lols.

because the hedge fund dude was overexposed and with knowledge of the way algorithms will react to certain purchases, they were able to gently caress the hedge fund. the hedge funds bet gets called and that causes the stock to shoot up higher.

today they're buying the stock and using options to pump the price to help out the people who bought in yesterday to make money.

I have no idea how options work and I think I'm better off that way.

CommieGIR
Aug 22, 2006

The blue glow is a feature, not a bug


Pillbug
https://twitter.com/parlertakes/status/1354217369179222017?s=20

"You don't want to sue me, I'm crazy I tell yah!"

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Hot Karl Marx
Mar 16, 2009

Politburo regulations about social distancing require to downgrade your Karlmarxing to cold, and sorry about the dnc primaries, please enjoy!
https://twitter.com/jowens510/status/1354196558657425409

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