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Gaj posted:So basically, outside of emergency relief efforts, there is no national food aid program for China? However, there is no food poverty or food insecurity as there is in the US, because the rest of society is so subsided/supported as to make the issue moot? I did find that there is a Subsistence Security System, although it’s not specific to food. Called 低保 in Chinese. https://baike.baidu.com/item/低&%2320445;&%2321046;&%2324230;
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Gaj posted:So basically, outside of emergency relief efforts, there is no national food aid program for China? However, there is no food poverty or food insecurity as there is in the US, because the rest of society is so subsided/supported as to make the issue moot? MarcusSA was being sarcastic. There is food poverty and food insecurity aplenty, the government just doesn't do anything about it.
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Fojar38 posted:MarcusSA was being sarcastic. There is food poverty and food insecurity aplenty, the government just doesn't do anything about it.  (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Jan 27, 2021 06:18
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MarcusSA posted:AFAIK china doesn’t have a homeless population. I guess all those disabled people I saw over there were just loitering. All day.
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Jan 27, 2021 06:21
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Fojar38 posted:MarcusSA was being sarcastic. There is food poverty and food insecurity aplenty, the government just doesn't do anything about it. Honestly I took it at face value thinking; well the poor and starving are just shoved into labor programs who cares if they dont have shoes they are fed! GlassEye-Boy posted:I did find that there is a Subsistence Security System, although it’s not specific to food. Called 低保 in Chinese. I used that as a search term and found some articles, Ill follow this. So if I was to summarize the Chinese food program in a sentence: It is a poorly supported system, maybe better or worse than the USA food stamp program who knows.
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Jan 27, 2021 06:44
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I'd guess it's also tried to the Hukou system? So it doesn't apply to any internal migrants who haven't legally changed their city/town of residence (which is challenging to do as the government wants to avoid lots of people moving from the countryside to major cities just because they can't find any work to feed their families).
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Jan 27, 2021 08:12
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A lot of Chinese social programs are tied to occupation or location, and exist only locally. Subsidized housing and medicine are examples of benefits for government workers, but you wouldn't find any if this information online, and maybe not even in public records.
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Jan 27, 2021 09:46
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MarcusSA posted:AFAIK china doesn’t have a homeless population. All the people I saw sleeping rough were doing it for fun like all the pensioners digging plastic bottles out of trash cans for the change. The only real social safety net in China is your family and if they can't support you, good luck.
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RocknRollaAyatollah posted:All the people I saw sleeping rough were doing it for fun like all the pensioners digging plastic bottles out of trash cans for the change. Technically they have homes though quote:
 The current system really fucks these people over and yes they are homeless but they aren’t according to the government. Also this Fojar38 posted:MarcusSA was being sarcastic. There is food poverty and food insecurity aplenty, the government just doesn't do anything about it.
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Jan 27, 2021 17:13
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The US food stamp program was also a particularly weird way of trying to get crop surpluses off the market without collapsing the price by trying to give it as assistance to poor starving people. I don't know how China's agricultural industry is structured, but the US's solution is weird enough I wouldn't expect China to have a similarly structured program. I think Government Cheese was the most notable manifestation of that approach to using government market management and subsidies as welfare.
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Jan 27, 2021 18:41
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I remember having government cheese when I was a kid and those blocks of cheddar were hilariously big.
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MarcusSA posted:I remember having government cheese when I was a kid and those blocks of cheddar were hilariously big. Five pounds.
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Jan 27, 2021 22:27
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Oracle posted:Five pounds. I seem to recall it being pretty good cheese as well right? That’s a lot of cheese. Anyway china needs to help it’s migrant worker population more. Preferably with cheese.
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MarcusSA posted:I seem to recall it being pretty good cheese as well right? That’s a lot of cheese. It was processed cheese food. It was serviceable. I mean, at the time the proliferation of fine fromage in America hadn't happened yet and unless you lived in solid cheese producing locales you basically were at the Mercy of the local supermarket, which also hadn't yet started carrying 50 different types of locavore cheeses. Most Americans, still enamored with 'industry will solve anything!' really didn't eat good cheese unless they lived in those aforementioned producing areas or were lucky enough to be around an ethnic enclave that made its own cheeses.
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MarcusSA posted:I seem to recall it being pretty good cheese as well right? it was basically generic Velveeta. quote:That’s a lot of cheese. quote:
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Oracle posted:it was basically generic Velveeta. Many cheeses are naturally low in lactose and absolutely fine for lactose intolerant people. The cheeses that went into government cheese were, I'm pretty sure, low lactose cheeses (cheddar was the main cheese I think, and cheddar is super low in lactose.) And modern velveeta is a ways off from the old government cheese. But 80s velveeta was pretty close. Modern velveeta isn't even really cheese. Still loving delicious though.
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Jan 28, 2021 05:35
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Goddamn, the Boomers even got free Velveeta in the mail and our generation gets squat. It really is unfair.
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Jan 28, 2021 09:08
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Tweezer Reprise posted:Since there's no such thing as stateless capitalism, and states with capitalism tend to be very interested in serving the needs of the capitalists, (if you're uncharitable like me perhaps you'd conclude that's the state's fundamental purpose) all capitalism is state capitalism, no? The line between state ownership of corporations and state subsidy of and state policy crafted for corporations is pretty weak, in my view. Isn't there a pretty obvious divide once capitalism starts to move beyond the state level, and the interests of corporations and of state entities begin to come into conflict? China allows for a capitalistic economic structure, but does a lot of work to ensure that it serves specifically Chinese ambitions rather than advancing its own supernational agenda. Compare with the US or UK, for instance, where capitalistic interests frequently take primacy over nationalistic ones.
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A bit off topic but most government cheese was a pretty high standard cheddar mixed with sodium bicarbonate. The high standard came from years of farmers trying to find different ways of "fudging" their product to make more money, and the government getting better at detecting tampered cheese. The bicarbonate was added after storage ended to make it easier to pour into blocks to distribute. There wasn't much else added, because their goal wasn't to make "the best cheeses ever", it was to subsidized the milk producers.
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Huh, government cheese is why people in the US sometimes call money "cheese" or "cheddar".
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Can't wait for the Falun Gong to inexplicably go all in on Biden
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Some healthy skepticism about "super soldiers" in this story: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-55905354quote:One of the authors, Elsa Kania, was sceptical about Mr Ratcliffe's comments.
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khwarezm posted:Does somebody have any good read ups or compilations of evidence on what exactly is happening in Xinjiang? I frequent some more tankie inclined discords and they swear up and down there is no good evidence for what you hear in the news about concentration camps, or that's its mostly manufactured by Adrian Zenz at the behest of Western interests. Bit of an old post to respond to but I just wanted to point out the Intercept recently did a pretty good article on Xinjiang surveillance. It doesn't go into the camps as much but IMHO while the camps are in all likelihood horrendous crimes, tankies/The Grayzone make some good points about them in particular (even though squabbling about just how many people are in the camps is the stupidest loving hill to die on). I think the surveillance state the CCP has implemented in Xinjiang is harder to argue against and something that tankies don't really focus on, probably because the camps are what gets media buzz and headlines. There were some other good articles done about their surveillance apparatus specifically back in 2019: from Wired and The Guardian.
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It was only allowed in higher-end "international" hotels and places like that anyway, not like the average person in Zhengzhou was getting BBC in their local cable package. The BBC has really gotten under their skin in recent weeks with some pieces about horrors in the camps in Xinjiang, so they're taking some potshots about "fake news", but this is almost certainly a retaliation for the British regulatory authorities pulling the broadcast license of the English-language channel of Chinese state television in the UK: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/feb/04/chinese-news-network-cgtn-loses-uk-licence-after-ofcom-ruling (note that even when the news first came out they were already speculating that the Chinese would retaliate against the BBC)
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BrainDance posted:Many cheeses are naturally low in lactose and absolutely fine for lactose intolerant people. The cheeses that went into government cheese were, I'm pretty sure, low lactose cheeses (cheddar was the main cheese I think, and cheddar is super low in lactose.) quote:And modern velveeta is a ways off from the old government cheese. But 80s velveeta was pretty close. Modern velveeta isn't even really cheese. Still loving delicious though. As I haven’t had Velveeta since the 80s probably (when it, too, came in big blocks like good ol gummint cheese) I’ll agree. Is Velveeta just like sold in jars as a sauce now? I seem to recall seeing something like that. Anyway I blame government cheese for my distaste for cheese in general now. Mostly because of aforementioned lactose intolerance (pretty unheard of when I was a kid and everyone was nigh required by law to drink milk for ‘strong bones and healthy teeth’) and because it was my job to shred it for mac and cheese or tacos or whatever. By hand. With an old box grater. You ever try to hand shred five pounds of cheese? Ugh.
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Amergin posted:It doesn't go into the camps as much but IMHO while the camps are in all likelihood horrendous crimes, tankies/The Grayzone make some good points about them in particular (even though squabbling about just how many people are in the camps is the stupidest loving hill to die on). The Greyzone recently dredged up a Cambodian genocide denier to ‘debunk’ Xinjiang so safe to say there’s probably some real good stuff going on in those ‘vocational training facilities’.
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Why argue about the numbers? China released a white paper on Thursday claiming that its far western Xinjiang region has provided “vocational training” to nearly 1.3 million workers every year on average from 2014 to 2019. I liked this article from Lausan which puts the camps into a global context of the so-called 'War on Terror'.
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https://www.newyorker.com/news/a-reporter-at-large/china-xinjiang-prison-state-uighur-detention-camps-prisoner-testimony Some fantastic reporting by The New Yorker and an absolutely terrifying article. Just a choice quote .. quote:
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I will never understand the mindset of loving fascist pig like Xi Xinping who would rather wipe out entire groups of human beings rather than earn their loyalty through kindness and benevolence, the CCP are just a loving disgusting group of fascist pigs.
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How is the outsourcing of Chinese manufacturing to SE Asia going?Al-Saqr posted:I will never understand the mindset of loving fascist pig like Xi Xinping who would rather wipe out entire groups of human beings rather than earn their loyalty through kindness and benevolence, the CCP are just a loving disgusting group of fascist pigs.
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Al-Saqr posted:I will never understand the mindset of loving fascist pig like Xi Xinping who would rather wipe out entire groups of human beings rather than earn their loyalty through kindness and benevolence, the CCP are just a loving disgusting group of fascist pigs. It's because they can, as neither the Chinese people nor the international community wants to/can stop them.
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Grouchio posted:How is the outsourcing of Chinese manufacturing to SE Asia going? "Human rights are a bourgeois myth" is a notion that has existed longer than the CCP.
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Human rights exist and are very important to the international community, Unless your nation is of high security, diplomatic or economic importance in which case go along.
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Here's an interesting and pretty comprehensive report on what's going on in Xinjiang just released: https://newlinesinstitute.org/uyghurs/the-uyghur-genocide-an-examination-of-chinas-breaches-of-the-1948-genocide-convention/
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I've not read the report and I have zero interest in getting into another pointless discussion on what precisely is happening in Xinjiang, but anything coming out of an org that describes itself like thisquote:The Newlines Institute for Strategy and Policy (formerly the Center for Global Policy) is a nonpartisan think tank in Washington D.C., working to enhance U.S. foreign policy based on a deep understanding of the geopolitics of the different regions of the world and their value systems. is likely not as 'independent' or impartial as it pretends it is. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST) ThomasPaine fucked around with this message at 23:03 on Mar 10, 2021 |
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ThomasPaine posted:I've not read the report and I have zero interest Oh, word? But you cared enough to dispute the report's objectivity on the basis of it being from an organization headquartered in the USA? Should we dispute UN reports because they're from an organization headquartered in New York? Or is it because it's from an think tank that seeks to inform US foreign policy, as though "Is China doing a genocide y/n?" isn't a subject of interest for US foreign policy? Fojar38 fucked around with this message at 23:13 on Mar 10, 2021 |
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Fojar38 posted:Oh, word? But you cared enough to dispute the report's objectivity on the basis of it being from an organization headquartered in the USA? A DC based think tank with the stated goal of 'enhancing' US foreign policy and the UN are not equivalent organisations, and decent critical analysis has to include an awareness of who's writing and in what ideological context. Neither of these are remotely controversial statements. You're putting words in my mouth if you assume I mean anything beyond that.
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