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home roasting, like espresso, will not save you money in the end. you will just keep accumulating gear until you go "oh gently caress what have i done" and list it all on ebay for local pickup
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You can just home roast in the oven if you live alone. You just need a baking sheet.
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Recently I've been on some antibiotics and such and it's completely hosed with my guts in a way that makes coffee cause some hella nausea for me in my normal dosage. Cutting back on it still is kinda gnarly, but caffeinated tea is generally okay, so I'm going to start experimenting with a decaf roast that my go-to roaster has. It looks like they use the same beans that they would normally use but have some kind of chemical process involving sugar to burn off the caffeine to be "almost negligible", one of the baristas mentioned to me over the phone. Any roasters or other coffee experts here have any details on different decaffeinating methods? e: https://greatergoodsroasting.com/collections/all-coffee/products/low-strung is the coffee
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Jan 25, 2021 19:14
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aldantefax posted:Recently I've been on some antibiotics and such and it's completely hosed with my guts in a way that makes coffee cause some hella nausea for me in my normal dosage. Cutting back on it still is kinda gnarly, but caffeinated tea is generally okay, so I'm going to start experimenting with a decaf roast that my go-to roaster has. Maybe scarf mass quantities of probiotics and rebuild the fauna.
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Jan 26, 2021 05:11
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Fake Espresso questions: so I'm all in love with my new Baratza Encore. I also occasionally make espresso, but not with a real espresso machine, just this standard one that's like $30 and I usually put Cafe Bustelo in it. I'm probably never getting a real espresso setup, like until retirement or whatever at least. But I still felt inspired to try buying some whole bean espresso. All those caveats in place, any recommendations on grind size? I know it's kind of like asking a professional photographer to take a picture with my phone, but I figured I'd ask in case anyone else does the same thing. So far I've tried 8 and 10, but I feel like it's not quite there yet. 8 seemed maybe not strong enough, 10 seemed a little sour. My instinct is to maybe go a little higher but I wanted to ask anyway. (Also I think I did 20g first, then upped it to 22, might do 24 next time because it still seemed like there was a little headroom.)
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Jan 26, 2021 12:26
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Canuck-Errant posted:My secret accessory: an OXO Brew spoon/scraper thing. . Mine is my aero press funnel Gets used when I'm refilling my sugar bowl, preserving veges, dosing into my (49mm) basket Wildly useful little tool in the kitchen Tiny spray bottle gets strong runner up too
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Jan 26, 2021 13:57
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Sir Lemming posted:I also occasionally make espresso, but not with a real espresso machine, just this standard one that's like $30 What do you mean by this? Do you mean the cheap pressurised portafilter machines like pic related or something else? The $30 part makes me think you mean something else which will alter the advice we can give. 
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Jan 26, 2021 14:13
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They absolutely mean a moka pot, especially with the comment about cafe bustelo. Wrongme
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Jan 26, 2021 14:16
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Sir Lemming posted:Fake Espresso questions: so I'm all in love with my new Baratza Encore. I also occasionally make espresso, but not with a real espresso machine, just this standard one that's like $30 and I usually put Cafe Bustelo in it. I'm probably never getting a real espresso setup, like until retirement or whatever at least. But I still felt inspired to try buying some whole bean espresso. I’m not sure what you mean by “a standard machine” instead of an espresso machine. If it’s making espresso at all it’s an real espresso machine, even if it’s a dedica or bambino with a pressurized portafilter. Props if you got either of those machines for $30 though. If you do have a pressurized portafilter machine, the encore is more than adequate. Basically you want to keep setting the grinder finer until your shot “chokes” and no liquid, or only a few drops, comes out. Then back off a setting or two until things get flowing again. Ultimately you want to produce a shot of espresso in around 30 seconds, from the time you turn on the pump to the time your target weight or volume is in the cup. The encore’s lack of adjustability means that you won’t be able to get as close as you’d like to that exact time but if you can get between 20 and 45 seconds you should be in good shape. Specific grind settings are not usually helpful even if someone has the exact same grinder, machine and beans as you, because only extremely high-end grinders are calibrated, so the same grind setting number will correspond to different particle sizes on different machines. I’d expect the encore to be at the quite low end even for a pressurized portafilter though.
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Jan 26, 2021 14:19
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Still working on dialing in the Breville Barista Pro we picked up(it was the happy medium with my lady between a super Automated and one I can dial in) Got a bottomless portafilter coming Thursday as I feel that will help me dial things in. And it looks cool. Okay, that's likely 83% of the reason I ordered one I've been comparing my shots against the Nespresso machine we still have and I can pull comparable shots it seems. I can mimick lovely Starbucks fuffy drinks which sounds like I'm insulting myself. Also, frothing milk is way more difficult then I expected. Loving it either way
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Jan 26, 2021 14:24
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Nice! I don’t do a ton of milk drinks but i’ve find i usually want to keep the “stretching” phase down to only a few seconds, and keep the milk moving as vigorously as possible during the “rolling” phase for best results. Angle of the steam wand doesn’t seem to matter all that much, and neither does depth once it’s past the stretching phase.
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Jan 26, 2021 14:30
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Sorry, I didn't realize how unclear I was being. (Probably what I get for posting on a morning when I desperately need espresso in addition to my usual full French press.) I'm talking about one of these electric countertop things that has no settings. Slightly more than $30 I guess, but not by much. https://www.amazon.com/IMUSA-USA-GAU-18202-Cappuccino-Cappuccion/dp/B07L85NN3T I'm not sure if this is the exact one because I didn't buy it, it was a gift (I would've asked for something a little better). I'll take it to heart that there's no way to give an exact number. That's interesting that I might have to go a little finer though, I wouldn't have guessed that, so that helps. To me it looks like I'm grinding slightly finer than Bustelo which made me think I needed to go coarser. But then again, Bustelo is just what my relatives use, so I guess it's not necessarily what I should be aiming for.
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e: on second thought: I have no idea with that machine
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Jan 26, 2021 14:53
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Holy poo poo that looks like a super close copy of a Saeco espresso maker I played with growing up. It was a gift to my parents that they used a bit then got bored with, that I unearthed from a cabinet when I got old enough to drink coffee. Many good memories playing with that thing. I figured out that it didn’t make enough pressure to make real espresso, so what I did was absolutely fill the water reservoir with as much water as it could hold, power it on until it was boiling, then screw the cover on as fast as possible. That would cause a much bigger spike in pressure. After it had brewed enough “espresso” I quickly swapped the cup I was brewing into for a big measuring cup to catch the rest of what was coming out. This was all before YouTube or broadband internet so I didn’t know wtf I was doing and had no way to find out of course
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Jan 26, 2021 15:11
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Lol maybe they're not as common as I thought. For some reason I got it into my head that that's basically the standard hella basic American "espresso" machine (knowing full well that it's not technically espresso or whatever). I originally got a different branded one as a wedding gift, it was slightly better than this one but basically the same thing. My in-laws have also always had one, recently replaced with a Mr. Coffee brand. So it's seemed really common, but I guess the common thread is the in-laws. Seems like every company makes their own version of it though.
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Jan 26, 2021 15:50
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Is it really using just pure steam pressure to brew the espresso? No pump involved? That's the only way I can think of to get it down to that price point, but that would make it... challenging, to say the least, to get an espresso-like beverage out of it. If that's the case the closest equivalent I can think of is a moka pot and you might get good results treating it similarly: use slightly-coarser-than-espresso grind, and fill the reservoir with boiling water from the kettle before closing it and applying heat. You might also benefit from pre-heating the portafilter (use some of the boiling water from the kettle - before you put coffee in it!) and I would probably not try to make a full carafe, just switch cups after a certain point like i own every Bionicle said. What that point is, I couldn't tell you, but you could do an experiment to help you figure out what tastes best to you.
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Jan 26, 2021 16:53
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James Hoffmann has being doing a high-end grinder showdown all week, with a new entry in the playlist each day. So far he's covered the Option-O Lagom P-64, the Weber EG-1 and the Mahlkönig EK-43S. Really interesting stuff. The Weber is truly amazing. https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLxz0FjZMVOl2cq1ML2926rZk8zOAyL0uS
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Jan 27, 2021 15:49
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I had one of those! It was my gift for being with the company for 5 years. I had the choice between women's jewelry and that, so ... I never got a good cup from that thing (which doesn't mean much), but I am much happier with the results from my moka pot, and I haven't even started grinding my own beans yet (though I will this weekend, using the encore).
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Jan 27, 2021 15:55
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I got to go to an industry event in Toronto a few years back where the team behind the Weber were showing off what it could do, and talking about the design process, and I was super impressed at the time.
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Jan 27, 2021 17:24
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It looks like it was designed only for bored wealthy startup investors
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Jan 27, 2021 18:54
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My wife mentioned she wouldn’t mind if we could brew a passable caramel latte at home instead of getting it when we go pick up beans from our local roaster. I don’t know if I should encourage her because I’m scared of the espresso rabbit hole.
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Just get her some caramel syrup and a milk foamer to use with regular brewed coffee.
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Jan 27, 2021 21:10
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withak posted:Just get her some caramel syrup and a milk foamer to use with regular brewed coffee. If you shake the hell out of the creamer carton/container and then pour you basically get average coffeeshop latte foam.
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Jan 27, 2021 21:13
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withak posted:Just get her some caramel syrup and a milk foamer to use with regular brewed coffee. That makes sense to me. It does not make sense to the part of my brain who is bad with money and wants a full home espresso setup.
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Jan 27, 2021 23:29
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Democratic Pirate posted:That makes sense to me. It does not make sense to the part of my brain who is bad with money and wants a full home espresso setup. You want it because it's cool. I want it too. Earlier this year I had to talk myself out of spending £500 on a grinder and £600 on a La Pavoni manual espresso machine. For the one capuccino I was drinking each day.
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Jan 28, 2021 09:22
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Anjow posted:You want it because it's cool. I want it too. Earlier this year I had to talk myself out of spending £500 on a grinder and £600 on a La Pavoni manual espresso machine. For the one capuccino I was drinking each day. pfft that would pay for itself within a year.
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Jan 28, 2021 09:40
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kemikalkadet posted:pfft that would pay for itself within a year. It really does do well on balance if you’re not still buying coffee. But don’t get it because it’ll necessarily save money if you’re not going to be bothered to actually make it every day. Because then it won’t save money and just take up counter space. It really paid for itself last year.
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Jhet posted:It really does do well on balance if you’re not still buying coffee. But don’t get it because it’ll necessarily save money if you’re not going to be bothered to actually make it every day. Because then it won’t save money and just take up counter space. Still saves you money if it goes unused if it means you're not drinking one that day at all.
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Jan 28, 2021 14:31
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silvergoose posted:Still saves you money if it goes unused if it means you're not drinking one that day at all. I see what you’re saying, but I have no idea how that works in practice. Not drinking coffee... smh
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Jan 28, 2021 17:04
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Mr. Mambold posted:Maybe scarf mass quantities of probiotics and rebuild the fauna. thats pretty much the strat and i’ve been feeling a ton better about a week and a half after I stopped the antibs, and now I am doin’ like 18g to 300-350ml water instead of my usual 40g to 600ml. I think the main thing is that I want to drink something hot but not caffeinated as it gets later into the night. I think I am feeling (and acknowledging) the caffeine impacting my pre-sleep routine, but when I go to sleep it is usually chill.
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Jan 28, 2021 17:25
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Jhet posted:I see what you’re saying, but I have no idea how that works in practice. Not drinking coffee... smh Goons with Spoons > The Coffee Thread: Not drinking coffee... smh
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Jan 28, 2021 17:50
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aldantefax posted:I think the main thing is that I want to drink something hot but not caffeinated as it gets later into the night. I think I am feeling (and acknowledging) the caffeine impacting my pre-sleep routine, but when I go to sleep it is usually chill. Have you tried any coffee substitute or mixing them with your coffee to dilute it? The popular kind of coffee in South India is made from a blend of chicory and coffee. Like with most other coffee things hoffman has a video on the subject. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KArQ3mBzWC4
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Jan 28, 2021 18:01
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AnimeIsTrash posted:Have you tried any coffee substitute or mixing them with your coffee to dilute it? The popular kind of coffee in South India is made from a blend of chicory and coffee. Like with most other coffee things hoffman has a video on the subject. Decaf coffee is what I am angling at trying, or regular tea but at weaker dosage is generally what I do now. I also do buckwheat tea which is caffeine free but can be hard on the system
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Jan 28, 2021 18:25
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Anjow posted:You want it because it's cool. I want it too. Earlier this year I had to talk myself out of spending £500 on a grinder and £600 on a La Pavoni manual espresso machine. For the one capuccino I was drinking each day. If you have the money for it, do it. I bought a top-end (but not ludricrous) setup and if it were to explode and be useless tomorrow I would buy a replacement with no hesitation. I have run 950 double shots since I bought it in July for two people and the occasional guest. Coffee is 32$\kilo, 18g per dose, so 56 cents per double shot. (In beaver bucks) plus milk and the cost of running/wear and tear, still saving money in the end.
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Jhet posted:I see what you’re saying, but I have no idea how that works in practice. Not drinking coffee... smh Yeah I don't understand either, but I think my logic is sound.
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Jan 28, 2021 20:58
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Frank Dillinger posted:If you have the money for it, do it. I bought a top-end (but not ludricrous) setup and if it were to explode and be useless tomorrow I would buy a replacement with no hesitation. I have run 950 double shots since I bought it in July for two people and the occasional guest. yup, even a fairly expensive setup will pay for itself in a shockingly short amount of time if you're the kind of person (and/or there are people in your family) who regularly buy coffee at a coffeehouse
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That's the problem, though - the argument about saving money only works once, when you first stop buying your pre-made drinks. I already used it up - now I'm comparing it to making them myself with the Sage Bambino Plus so there's no saving, just an improvement in quality.
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Jan 29, 2021 07:27
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The coffee is only half the reason people go to cafes anyway.
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Jan 29, 2021 09:40
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Mu Zeta posted:The coffee is only half the reason people go to cafes anyway. The other is bacon and eggs.
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And the third half is that people decide daily trips to their local coffee chain are essential travel because they need to get out the house during lockdown. And if they just so happen to bump into all their friends while they're waiting to be served, well that's just a coincidence and not at all a breach of lockdown measures. Please don't go risking lives for a cup of coffee in the middle of a pandemic, people. And if you do need brand name coffee more than you need to stay away from people, at least be half-decent about it, customer service jobs have become three times shittier than they already were. Edit: If you're in a functioning nation such as New Zealand, feel free to disregard this and go get yourself a cup of coffee.
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