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Don't forget this part... @1:32 from this s4e03 cliip https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IxNLuf3yRGQ&t=92s
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Yawgmoft posted:Is there any actual confirmation that only Eldians transform when injected with Titan fluid? I mean I know a bad guy said that, but as long as they keep the Titan succession going, they could just pretend any marginal group was the one and only group that could do it. It's not like people are going around injecting Titan blood in people to ensure they aren't Eldian. Think of it like mitochondrial DNA, like Parasite Eve. It makes a lot more sense then.
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Ok, I'm almost certain Zeke is in league with Paradis folk after rewatching episode 4 just now. During the post-credits scene, when Falco goes to get Reiner just before Tybur's theater production, Zeke looks at his watch and tells Reiner it's fine and he has time, urging him to go with Falco—the implication being Zeke ensured the stage was set for Eren's reunion with Reiner.
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Jan 28, 2021 06:50
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teagone posted:Ok, I'm almost certain Zeke is in league with Paradis folk after rewatching episode 4 just now. During the post-credits scene, when Falco goes to get Reiner just before Tybur's theater production, Zeke looks at his watch and tells Reiner it's fine and he has time, urging him to go with Falco—the implication being Zeke ensured the stage was set for Eren's reunion with Reiner. He straight up says in the last episode "Eren Jaeger is not my enemy. Someone else comes first. Show yourself, Levi. You're running out of time." The other Marley forces interpret it as him goading Levi but it's pretty clearly signaling them to do whatever they had planned for getting Zeke out before Marley counter-attacked.
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Jan 28, 2021 07:17
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All caught up through season 4, properly now. This show is so loving cool lol.MagicBoots posted:He straight up says in the last episode "Eren Jaeger is not my enemy. Someone else comes first. Show yourself, Levi. You're running out of time." The other Marley forces interpret it as him goading Levi but it's pretty clearly signaling them to do whatever they had planned for getting Zeke out before Marley counter-attacked. Yeah, but go back a few pages where others ITT were still questioning Zeke's motives despite that. I was just posting another tidbit I felt was another clue-in immediately after having rewatched episode 4 to bolster and affirm that likely speculation. WrightOfWay posted:I vaguely remember a line earlier this season that no prior Beast Titan had that power, which probably means it is related to Zeke's royal blood rather than his titan. Also, going back to this, yeah—they talk about how there's never really been a Beast Titan quite like Zeke before, and during I think it was episode 3, its mentioned that his blood has hidden powers. teagone fucked around with this message at 08:26 on Jan 28, 2021 |
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Jan 28, 2021 08:16
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Gaj posted:Think of it like mitochondrial DNA, like Parasite Eve. It makes a lot more sense then. Perhaps, but mitochondrial DNA is heritable from the mother. Meanwhile, on the assumption that the history written by victims of the Eldian empire weren't pure lies, one of the crimes of the Eldian Empire was forced births in order to swell the numbers of Ymir subjects, who could presumably be used as titan soldiers in the Eldian army for the benefit of the Eldian elites. Ergo, the titan factor can be passed on both father or mother to child, aka does not follow any conventional rules of heritability.
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Jan 28, 2021 10:28
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Phobophilia posted:Perhaps, but mitochondrial DNA is heritable from the mother. Meanwhile, on the assumption that the history written by victims of the Eldian empire weren't pure lies, one of the crimes of the Eldian Empire was forced births in order to swell the numbers of Ymir subjects, who could presumably be used as titan soldiers in the Eldian army for the benefit of the Eldian elites. We actually have proof of that in the show proper without even having to evaluate the accuracy of Marley's histories regarding the Eldian Empire. Mikasa's an Ackerman, which means she's tapping into Titan powers. Sure, she's putting it all in a 5'9'' frame instead of a fifty foot one, but it's the same basic supernatural power at work, showing her as one of the people of Ymir. Thing is, that's her dad's side of the family. Her mother was Asian, the last in the world as far as civilization within the walls was concerned. If Titan powers were matrilineal, Mikasa'd be a regular human, and probably dead, along with Eren.
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Jan 28, 2021 10:39
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Why were asian people apparently along for the ride when it comes to moving into paradis? Shouldn't it have only been mind controlled eldians? Wouldn't mikasa's grandma also remember the original history, since as a non-eldian they wouldn't have been forced to forget?
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Jan 28, 2021 18:02
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ninjewtsu posted:Why were asian people apparently along for the ride when it comes to moving into paradis? Shouldn't it have only been mind controlled eldians? All the noble families that came to Paradis seemed to not be Eldian as they were unaffected by the mindwipe and so given gifts instead.
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Jan 28, 2021 18:06
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But the Ackermanns were her dad's side of the family, and her mom was the asian, right? So was her mom part of an entirely different noble family that also wanted to chill out in a cabin in the woods or whatever? If she was part of a noble family due to her asian heritage how come she was the last asian, it's just the ackermanns that were in bad standing with the royalty right?
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Jan 28, 2021 18:13
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ninjewtsu posted:Why were asian people apparently along for the ride when it comes to moving into paradis? Shouldn't it have only been mind controlled eldians? They and the nobility could have been there before the Eldians.
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Jan 28, 2021 18:27
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I thought we heard about them being retainers to the royal family? Was that just the Ackermanns?
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Jan 28, 2021 18:33
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The weird magical Japanese thing is one of the plot elements I mentioned earlier as being some of the stuff from season 1 that doesn't make sense if you go back to it knowing what the whole story is. When Mikasa is first introduced the fact that she and her mother are part of this strange exotic Asian race amongst the pseudo-German/fantasy Euro other protagonists kind of works because you still think that these people are living in some kind of post-apocalyptic fantasy world, and a Japanese manga writer making a Japanese girl into some kind of magical* uber-woman is fine. It kind of falls apart though when the reveal is made that there is, in fact, a real mid-20th century Japan out there and that it's people are just normal human beings like everyone else. *Yes, I'm aware that she's magical because of the Ackerman thing, but early on the show makes it seem like the "Eastern Clan" and the Ackermans were both crazy magical guardians of the king.
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Anonymous Zebra posted:The weird magical Japanese thing is one of the plot elements I mentioned earlier as being some of the stuff from season 1 that doesn't make sense if you go back to it knowing what the whole story is. When Mikasa is first introduced the fact that she and her mother are part of this strange exotic Asian race amongst the pseudo-German/fantasy Euro other protagonists kind of works because you still think that these people are living in some kind of post-apocalyptic fantasy world, and a Japanese manga writer making a Japanese girl into some kind of magical* uber-woman is fine. It kind of falls apart though when the reveal is made that there is, in fact, a real mid-20th century Japan out there and that it's people are just normal human beings like everyone else. It gets explained later
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Jan 28, 2021 19:58
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Why were the Ackermans superpowered, again?
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Jan 28, 2021 20:29
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Eustace posted:It gets explained later Ok cool. If they really nail the landing of this, it will be 10/10 the best long narrative story I've seen ever. Right now it's 9.9/10, so I'm still pretty happy, but goddamn it's so close to being perfect.
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Flesnolk posted:Why were the Ackermans superpowered, again? Oh nm, that was already mentioned but doesn't really explain why they're magical. Their power is derived from titans somehow. My speculation? The Eldian royal family maybe tampered with titan fluids to create some sort a super soldier serum that they used on the Ackerman family in order to make them the ultimate bodyguards or something. I suppose it's plausible that newfound power was passed on genetically through the Ackermans, generation to generation. teagone fucked around with this message at 21:46 on Jan 28, 2021 |
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Jan 28, 2021 21:37
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In chapter 93 (manga details) that was mentioned last page, Zeke mentions that the Ackermans are 'byproducts of Titan science.'
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Jan 28, 2021 21:50
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Yeah, I figured as much without reading the manga. Knowing how the transmission of titan power itself is like fluid based, I'd guess some sort of serum — or whatever equivalent — that supercharges Eldians with titan power but doesn't turn them into pure titans was maybe a thing involving the Ackermans. [edit] Just want to say, that itself is a neat subplot in an already weighty narrative. This poo poo owns so much. teagone fucked around with this message at 15:00 on Jan 29, 2021 |
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Jan 28, 2021 21:58
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Eustace posted:It gets explained later It's already been mostly explained by how the noble families within the walls weren't subjects of Ymir, either (recall how nobles ranted about how they weren't "slave blood" like the rest, gladly spilling the beans since they were sure the coupers would get mindwiped). Fake ED: Actually, this gets established more firmly in the manga flashback on RBA's infiltration, which turns out got largely abridged for the anime.    
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Jan 29, 2021 06:22
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It's weird how the names that Paradis picked to describe the colossal, armoured and female titan just so happened to be the same as the ones Marley used. I guess it must've come straight from the top.
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Rohan Kishibe posted:It's weird how the names that Paradis picked to describe the colossal, armoured and female titan just so happened to be the same as the ones Marley used. I guess it must've come straight from the top. I feel the important Titan names probably exist since before Paradis was even created. It'd explain how they're so consistent, if these names have existed since far in the past.
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That or their defining aspects are so prominent that they independently arrived at the same names? I don't recall Paradis residents ever referring to Ymir as a Jaw Titan even though that's what she was.
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Jan 29, 2021 14:38
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I like to think Reiner accidentally said the names at some point and they caught on
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Jan 29, 2021 14:41
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 Just a reminder that stuff that gets glossed over might come back up later, so try to avoid giving away too much detail if it wasn't in the anime adaptation, thanks. You can point out differences between the anime and manga with spoiler bars and a label saying (manga content the anime glosses over)
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Jan 29, 2021 14:59
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On rewatch, I think the Red Swan opening would have been much better received if it was running now as opposed to back then, when people weren't quite ready for "oh Erin, what have you become?"
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Jan 29, 2021 16:14
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Was it not well-received? It's the best opening!
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Jan 29, 2021 16:29
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I really like My War personally.
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Alan_Shore posted:It's the best opening! 
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I think Red Swan would've been a lot better for the Shiganshina arc. The slow and melancholic tone with lyrics about innocence lost and characters wondering what they're fighting for is a better fit for the main trio's return to Shiganshina and them finally getting to see the basement+ocean. The real op of the coup arc will, in my heart, always be Kakumei no Yoru. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nzmCyy9gUnY The coup arc is the tipping point where the story stops hinting at its thesis with subtext and reveals its hand, so it's fitting it would get the last opening in the borderline jingoistic style of sasageyo & friends. At the same time characters explain how fascism works, the opening would give one last demonstration of what it looks like. That leaves the Shiganshina & Marley openings to do their own thing, symbolizing how the characters have to move on from their simplistic worldview. But also in my perfect world Linked Horizon would do all the openings because they're great and I can't get enough of them so I'm a bit biased. (My War has really grown on me both as a song and as part of the opening, honestly the only thing I'd change is to make the repetitive shots of gas and clouds more visually interesting)
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My War was fun to send to my friend that stopped watching after season 1
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A while back someone mentioned that the manga artist did a non-canonical goof panel showing the rest of the Survey Corps as titans, but I don't remember seeing it posted. Spoilered out of an abundance of caution: I think this came out before the Return to Shiganshina arc.
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ATP_Power posted:A while back someone mentioned that the manga artist did a non-canonical goof panel showing the rest of the Survey Corps as titans, but I don't remember seeing it posted. Spoilered out of an abundance of caution: Connie 
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I love that Historia would have looked exactly like that if she became the Founding Titan normally, minus the wings. It's basically just Frieda's but blonde.
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ATP_Power posted:A while back someone mentioned that the manga artist did a non-canonical goof panel showing the rest of the Survey Corps as titans, but I don't remember seeing it posted. Spoilered out of an abundance of caution: Got featured in one of the gag OVAs! 
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Conspiratiorist posted:Got featured in one of the gag OVAs! That OVA was great filler and I definitely recommend it for a laugh. Rewatched a chunk of the last episode and noticed that you can hear the airship above Armin when he's standing on his titan. You can see a piece of it as well, but they obscure the edges with the smoke so it's not immediately obvious.
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Rewatching the whole series right now. Annie's goal was to join the MP to get close to the crown and get the founding titan, got it Reiner and Bertholdt were in the scouts because Eren was in the scouts, as a means to recapture the attack titan, cool At what point did they figure out Eren has the Founding Titan? Sometime before Eren does his Dina Fritz scream, Reiner yells about Eren having the Coordinate, so I suppose they knew about it before, but I don't know how/when Reiner/Bertholdt would have figured that out??
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