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I mean, it's fairly significant because DWS was literally DNC chair until she was forced out so she's a pretty mainstream figure in the party.
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Jan 31, 2021 01:06
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Noted democratic nobody: the former head of the DNC. e: Debbie is probably the best weathervane for what the sentiment within the party bureaucracy is. Doesn't guarantee it'll get full dem support, but it could very easily get enough dems to pass with unanimous republican support. Zedhe Khoja fucked around with this message at 01:10 on Jan 31, 2021 |
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Jan 31, 2021 01:07
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Nothing says how important a Democrat is in the party better than pointing out how they used to have an important job until the party forced them out.
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Jan 31, 2021 01:09
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I think a bunch of people here would be surprised by how many bills don't even get discussed, even ones signed by "high level" democrats. Just for reference for last conference most of her bills didn't even go anywhere. Mooseontheloose fucked around with this message at 01:15 on Jan 31, 2021 |
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Jan 31, 2021 01:11
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Sanguinia posted:Nothing says how important a Democrat is in the party better than pointing out how they used to have an important job until the party forced them out. she was absolutely not forced out for doing something the party didn't like, she was forced out for getting caught, come on man this wasn't that long ago
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Jan 31, 2021 01:11
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New AV rocks, thanks anonymous pervert
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Jan 31, 2021 01:14
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Mooseontheloose posted:I think a bunch of people here would be surprised by how many bills don't even get discussed, even ones signed by "high level" democrats. "Introduced a bill to do X" is standard fodder on a reelection resume.
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Jan 31, 2021 01:15
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https://twitter.com/latimes/status/1355664093215137796?s=20 I dont understand, how come the cops didn't just tear gas and disperse the "protestors"? I mean, I'm pretty sure I know why.
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Jan 31, 2021 01:15
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sexpig by night posted:New AV rocks, thanks anonymous pervert Really should tag who was mad enough to spend money on an av or title.
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Jan 31, 2021 01:15
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she probably still has a little pull. more pertinantly, when i look at the list of housepeople behind it there are two things that jump out at me 1) she's the only democrat i recognize at all, although in fairness there are a lot of housereps, and 2) they're almost all florida lol (i actually don't know whether there are just the two dem cosponsors, since the list I happened to see listed their districts and not their parties, but i'm not the one who posted the tweet) Mooseontheloose posted:I think a bunch of people here would be surprised by how many bills don't even get discussed, even ones signed by "high level" democrats. Yeah also this, "a bill was introduced" is not news of enormous import most of the time. not that I don't enjoy hooting and hollering over "Jayapal and Sanders introduced a national UBI bill", mind Goatse James Bond fucked around with this message at 01:18 on Jan 31, 2021 |
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Jan 31, 2021 01:15
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Deteriorata posted:"Introduced a bill to do X" is standard fodder on a reelection resume. Right, and the issue is that apparently a pretty mainstream dem thinks 'introduced a bill to make sure Venezuela can't get vaccines and any other essential they need and named it a racist mockery of one of their national heroes' is good for her reelection.
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Jan 31, 2021 01:16
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sexpig by night posted:she was absolutely not forced out for doing something the party didn't like, she was forced out for getting caught, come on man this wasn't that long ago Obama wanted her gone in 2012. She threatened to publicly accuse him of antisemitism if he did. She was not well liked when she got booted.
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Jan 31, 2021 01:16
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sexpig by night posted:I mean, it's fairly significant because DWS was literally DNC chair until she was forced out so she's a pretty mainstream figure in the party. Is she secretly Obi-Wan Kenobi? "If you strike me out of these leadership positions, then I will become more powerful than you can possibly imagine." People who have influence get promoted out of jobs. People who don't have influence any more get fired. She was fired. Zedhe Khoja posted:Noted democratic nobody: the former head of the DNC. That is... not how the House works, and even if by some anti-miracle the bill did make it past the House, Chuck Schumer has no reason to take time out of his legislative agenda for a gift to a pair of Florida Republican senators who want to throw a bit of red meat to their anti-socialist base.
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Jan 31, 2021 01:21
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sexpig by night posted:Right, and the issue is that apparently a pretty mainstream dem thinks 'introduced a bill to make sure Venezuela can't get vaccines and any other essential they need and named it a racist mockery of one of their national heroes' is good for her reelection. Ok but as I pointed out it isn't like where goes DWS so goes the Democratic party. Yah, fine she sucks and supports this piece of lovely legislation that doesn't represent the whole of the party nor is this bill seemingly getting traction.
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Jan 31, 2021 01:21
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sexpig by night posted:she was absolutely not forced out for doing something the party didn't like, she was forced out for getting caught, come on man this wasn't that long ago Ok, but the point is she was forced out. It happened. If you want to assume that the very public and very embarrassing removal of her from leadership of the Democratic National Convention, one of the party's most important organs, had absolutely no effect on her standing in the party behind the scenes, either in influencing the rank and file or having the ear of or a voice in the party leadership, then you can do that I guess. I don't really see much reason for it. She co-signed a lovely bill because she's a lovely person and because she probably thinks taking a hard line against Maduro at the expense of Venezuelan people will play well in Florida because it is also full of lovely people. Her constituents should have primaried her out long before this, and they should do it over this even moreso. Unless and until this goes beyond a Typical Crackpot Bill Proposal from a Backbench R that will never go anywhere, getting angry about it if you live outside Debbie's district isn't going to do anything but stress you out.
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Jan 31, 2021 01:22
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Midgetskydiver posted:People who post poo poo like this should be forum banned. I've been reading these forums for years and I've never felt the urge to just poo poo all over an entire thread. Seriously if a poster has this much contempt for everyone else here, just shut the door on them. Nah, horseshit. To pretty much everything you said. I've been on these forums for almost 20 loving years and if you don't get incredibly exasperated at times at some of the amazing hot takes that people come up with and occasionally get the urge to say something pissy to all and sundry out of sheer frustration, then you have a hell of a lot more patience than I and a lot of other folks do. Following through on that urge is obviously a different matter, and I'm not saying that the probe wasn't arguably warranted--the comment was just adding white noise to the thread, especially considering VH didn't qualify it in some manner and just threw everyone in the same bucket, but people who are mostly in agreement on an issue regularly argue right on past each other for pages upon pages like the other person is the biggest idiot in the world--hell, Majorian commented on it with two folks just a few pages earlier. A pretty decent chunk of this thread is people flinging poo at folks who, on the political spectrum, are nearly indistinguishable from them, either out of imagined purity test failures, inability to parse posts or consider subtleties of view, not giving folks the benefit of the doubt, or plain old poo poo stirring and trolling. Asking for someone who's generally a pretty decent contributor to this thread to be forum banned for a single random frustrated comment is a pretty huge overreaction. I am at peace with my potential probation for "posting about posters". 
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Jan 31, 2021 01:23
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I wouldn't be as concerned about DWS' support for this bill if Guaido hadn't already been recognized as the "legitimate President of Venezuela" by Biden, Pelosi, and a lot of other powerful folks in the Democratic Party. Whether or not this particular bill gets passed, I'm not expecting the U.S. to be terribly helpful to the average Venezuelan over the next few years. (not that we were under Trump obviously)
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Jan 31, 2021 01:23
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sexpig by night posted:I mean, it's fairly significant because DWS was literally DNC chair until she was forced out so she's a pretty mainstream figure in the party. Florida politician doesn't support person allied with Cuba isn't really news though. She was upset about Obama's Cuba policy and that didn't mean it was official Democratic Party policy to be anti-Obama opening up Cuba.
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Jan 31, 2021 01:23
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Majorian posted:I wouldn't be as concerned about DWS' support for this bill if Guaido hadn't already been recognized as the "legitimate President of Venezuela" by Biden, Pelosi, and a lot of other powerful folks in the Democratic Party. Whether or not this particular bill gets passed, I'm not expecting the U.S. to be terribly helpful to the average Venezuelan over the next few years. (not that we were under Trump obviously) It's basically just Russia, Cuba, Turkey, Syria, and Iran who recognize Maduro right now, though. Is the entire world out to hurt the average Venezuelan?
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Jan 31, 2021 01:25
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To be fair DWS should have been forced to resign her seat with how badly she hosed up being DNC chair, so we can be mad at the Democrats for that.
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Jan 31, 2021 01:25
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We'll know more after the next census but current estimates are that there are somewhere between 250,000 and 300,000 Venezuelan's, either expats or descendants of earlier immigrants, up from around 100,000 in the 2010 census in Florida. I'd imagine the people co sponsoring this have seen a significant increase in their districts Venezuelan constituents. It doesn't surprise me that dumb pandering poo poo is coming from that state.
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Jan 31, 2021 01:25
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The biggest question raised by the new Census info is why does West Virginia have so many cats?
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Jan 31, 2021 01:27
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:It's basically just Russia, Cuba, Turkey, Syria, and Iran who recognize Maduro right now, though. Is the entire world out to hurt the average Venezuelan? A lot of the world, including the EU, has not clearly chosen sides. I would certainly say that the countries that have Venezuela under embargo, causing or exacerbating widespread starvation and deprivation, are out to hurt the average Venezuelan. The U.S. is very much one of those countries.
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Jan 31, 2021 01:28
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righto i remember what was done to the venezuela thread, i think we can table the topic of venezuela in here unless something newer and more important than "some lovely florida dems cosponsored a bill" comes along
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Jan 31, 2021 01:31
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Joe Manchin is pissed: Vice President Kamala Harris speaks exclusively with WSAZ about challenges facing our region quote:On Thursday, Vice President Kamala Harris spoke exclusively with WSAZ’s Amanda Barren. We had the opportunity to ask her if help is coming -- and when. Sen. Joe Manchin reacts to WSAZ interview with Vice Pres. Kamala Harris quote:After airing Thursday evening, WSAZ’s exclusive interview with Vice President Kamala Harris drew national attention. The pressure, Joe - do you feel it yet? 
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Jan 31, 2021 01:32
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Majorian posted:A lot of the world, including the EU, has not clearly chosen sides. I would certainly say that the countries that have Venezuela under embargo, causing or exacerbating widespread starvation and deprivation, are out to hurt the average Venezuelan. The U.S. is very much one of those countries. The E.U parliament just voted pretty overwhelmingly to recommend that its member states recognize Guaido. I just don't think there is much appetite or room in the world for recognizing Maduro.
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Jan 31, 2021 01:32
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Majorian posted:I wouldn't be as concerned about DWS' support for this bill if Guaido hadn't already been recognized as the "legitimate President of Venezuela" by Biden, Pelosi, and a lot of other powerful folks in the Democratic Party. Whether or not this particular bill gets passed, I'm not expecting the U.S. to be terribly helpful to the average Venezuelan over the next few years. (not that we were under Trump obviously) This is a fair point. Biden recognizing Guy Who Was Supposed To Be Coup'd Into Power Until Trump Got Too Bored To Start A War In South America as the legit President IS a bummer. Granted, it wasn't likely he was going to seek detente with Maduro, but recognizing the other guy is another kettle of fish. Its worth fretting to some degree about what further steps might be taken to hurt Venezuela in an effort to push forward that desired regime change. As lovely as Maduro is, and boy is he, interventionism with the hope of installing a Western-friendly government in his place by economic coercion, or any other means, is not going to do anything but make the situation worse, especially for the average Venezuelan person. I just don't think this bill is likely to be one of those steps.
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Jan 31, 2021 01:34
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Joe Manchin comes across as a huge dumb rear end.
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Jan 31, 2021 01:34
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:The E.U parliament just voted pretty overwhelmingly to recommend that its member states recognize Guaido. I just don't think there is much appetite or room in the world for recognizing Maduro. Per GJB's request, let's take this to the LatAm politics thread, because I have a news story that I think you'll want to see.
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Jan 31, 2021 01:35
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Also, based on the preliminary census info, this what the reapportionment of House seats is looking like: Texas +3 Florida +3 NC, OR, MT, CO, AZ +1 CA, MN, IL, OH, MI, PA, W.VA, RI -1 Either New York or Alabama will lose a seat depending on how the final numbers look.
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Jan 31, 2021 01:36
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Also, based on the preliminary census info, this what the reapportionment of House seats is looking like: Well this looks pretty bad at a glance
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Jan 31, 2021 01:38
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Also, based on the preliminary census info, this what the reapportionment of House seats is looking like: So the Republicans might just take the House through redistricting. Great, just wonderful.
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Jan 31, 2021 01:40
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Angry_Ed posted:Well this looks pretty bad at a glance As a plus, a lot of redistricting has been moved to bipartisan or non-partisan committees that should reduce gerrymandering. Not great looking though, I agree
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Jan 31, 2021 01:40
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https://twitter.com/EoinHiggins_/status/1349937010954407936 You're not supposed to leave evidence at the scene of the crime. Turns out the Democrats do have something in common with the people who stormed the Capitol.
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Jan 31, 2021 01:40
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Angry_Ed posted:Well this looks pretty bad at a glance It really depends on how the redistricting looks. If NY loses a seat, they could very easily cut out an upstate seat and merge two Republican districts into one. Montana having 2 seats could end up with one competitive seat and one safe R seat instead of just one safe R seat. But, based on who controls redistricting in those states I wouldn't expect good things.
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Jan 31, 2021 01:41
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Deteriorata posted:Joe Manchin is pissed: It all reads as Joe is getting boxed in since he was likely going to pull some bullshit. Since it is over something uncontroversial like COVID relief here it is basically a warning shot to both him and I assume anyone else looking to step out of line now or in the near future that you are going to be at best boxed into doing what you are told or at worse made to pay dearly for doing it. Very much behavior that the Democrats haven't used really ever. Refreshing to see really considering how hosed everything is.
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Jan 31, 2021 01:42
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:It really depends on how the redistricting looks. If NY loses a seat, they could very easily cut out an upstate seat and merge two Republican districts into one. NY is going to use the loss of a seat to attempt to oust AOC. It won’t work, but it’s still going to be a downstate loss.
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Jan 31, 2021 01:43
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ted hitler hunter posted:https://twitter.com/EoinHiggins_/status/1349937010954407936 Who is Eoin Higgins and why should I care about his random tweet?
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Angry_Ed posted:Well this looks pretty bad at a glance The states losing or gaining seats being red or blue doesn't actually matter, what matters is where they draw the district lines. The places that gained seats are gaining them because people are moving into the Democratic cities and purple suburbs after all. That being said, since Rs have the Trifecta in FL, TX and AZ, that is bad because we could easily end up with a bunch of hyper-gerrymandered districts that make what should be easy Dem wins because they're around major cities be R-leaning battlegrounds. Thankfully that won't be as big a problem in most of those other places, whether the seats are a gain or a loss.
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