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Harold Stassen
Jan 24, 2016

GWBBQ posted:

Oh, so really loving evil but went the boring name route instead of picking something outright sinister.

If it was a modern SV venture it would be called Draculon or some poo poo

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Ghislaine of YOSPOS
Apr 19, 2020

Jeffrey Epstein was a CPA apparently, according to the new york times. Is there any record of him going to tax school?

taqueso
Mar 8, 2004


:911:
:wookie: :thermidor: :wookie:
:dehumanize:

:pirate::hf::tinfoil:

Happy Thread posted:

Hey just barging in to ask if you losers are bringing up craaaazy theories again instead of the big Maxwell trial? Please only post new details since Ghislaine's arrest in here. I only come here to follow up about Epstein's rumored girlfriend and prefer no distractions. Tell me about this trial that the government is approaching very seriously, for the perfectly accountable person who is definitely shown to be in jail. Is it done yet, all parties punished? Official sources only please (minus redactions). With everyone talking so off-topic I have to conclude that the trial is going fine and that there's just some mentally ill Q fans here in need of deep pity. With how transparent the process has been, there's enough to discuss that you'd be crazy to start grasping for outside explanations. Now back to my other account where I will do the same

thanks for asking

Proust Malone
Apr 4, 2008

Feranon posted:

don't you guys ever wonder if speculating about epstein and pals is just qanon for ppl who think they're too smart/young/woke for qanon?

rich powerful old men at the center of empire eating unripe fruit, being creeps, conspiring to do so together, and this is news? this pederasty stuff is at least as old as fuckin greece and as a child abuse survivor myself I'm more uncomfortable seeing my peers in what feels like pizzagate-adjacent conspiracyland

child abuse and torture is an entire industry in the usa, who gives a poo poo about one maybe-dead guy whose maybe-death clearly didn't make much of a dent in the problem

Child abuse is weird thing in that it's both horriffic and completely banal. A quick perusal of one of those sex offender reporting sites shows how utterly common sex abuse is. Why wouldnt we then assume that it isn't common among the powerful as well? The speaker of the loving house was paying hush money to boys he had molested and was sweeping Mark Foley's loving pages under the rug. And those are just the ones who get caught! The Foley thing and the Catholic Church show us that as big a scandal the molestation is, almost as big is the willingness of people in institutions to use their power to hide crimes and protect the in group in the guise of protecting the intuition. This is the essence of a conspiracy.

So what then are the boundaries of "conspiracy" discussion? A capitalist with ties to intelligence having a hundred accusers isn't that out of bounds. A satanic cabal in the basement of a pizza shop on the other hand strains my belief. And I'm a "piss tape is real" guy.


Sexual abuse is perpetuated by a culture of shame and secrecy and the more we talk about it, the more comfortable abuse victims are to come out and name their abusers.

DMCrimson
Jan 2, 2005

Nap Ghost

Ghislaine of YOSPOS posted:

Jeffrey Epstein was a CPA apparently, according to the new york times. Is there any record of him going to tax school?

Is there a link to where the NYT reported that? That can't be right, he worked at a Bear Sterns but as a trader. He has a more believable route for a CFA, which i don't think he has either, but the CPA test is a loving grind for the accounting-devoted insane that proves you can handle big 4 stress.

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy

Ghislaine of YOSPOS posted:

Jeffrey Epstein was a CPA

Child Pornography Aficionado

nut
Jul 30, 2019

gradenko_2000 posted:

Child Pornography Aficionado

gh0stpinballa
Mar 5, 2019

reading about dutroux again. spillover into a similar case in germany, the connection being this murdered social worker who was discovering links to the european deep state

http://fondationprincessedecroy.eu/07-Zandvoort-Gina_Pardaens-Bernaer-GB.html

Algund Eenboom
May 4, 2014

https://twitter.com/TheRealOJ32/status/1354459295811690497

gh0stpinballa
Mar 5, 2019

Proust Malone posted:

Child abuse is weird thing in that it's both horriffic and completely banal. A quick perusal of one of those sex offender reporting sites shows how utterly common sex abuse is. Why wouldnt we then assume that it isn't common among the powerful as well? The speaker of the loving house was paying hush money to boys he had molested and was sweeping Mark Foley's loving pages under the rug. And those are just the ones who get caught! The Foley thing and the Catholic Church show us that as big a scandal the molestation is, almost as big is the willingness of people in institutions to use their power to hide crimes and protect the in group in the guise of protecting the intuition. This is the essence of a conspiracy.

So what then are the boundaries of "conspiracy" discussion? A capitalist with ties to intelligence having a hundred accusers isn't that out of bounds. A satanic cabal in the basement of a pizza shop on the other hand strains my belief. And I'm a "piss tape is real" guy.


Sexual abuse is perpetuated by a culture of shame and secrecy and the more we talk about it, the more comfortable abuse victims are to come out and name their abusers.

loving A!

SMILLENNIALSMILLEN
Jun 26, 2009



nut posted:

Robbie Martin argues, I think pretty effectively, that QAnon comes directly from Pizzagate (I know, not surprising, but i'll elaborate). He argues that no one , including Trump, ever thought Trump was going to win, even after wikileaks dropped the Podesta and DNC e-mails. However, the accusations derived from Pizzagate (satanic ritual child abuse) built up an insane energy in Trump's growing base when Trump started his "lock her up" bit, promising arrests and justice against untouchable politicians. This likely had understated sway on undecided voters, whether because of the nature of the accusations or because we live in a deeply unfair society and many people like my dad believe every politician should rot in jail and he'd love to live to a day to actually see it (the latter being the same energy, I imagine, of Russians who protested for Bill Browder or, now, Navalny, anything that's not Putin).

Then Trump got elected. And nothing happened. All the energy and effort behind Pizzagate had to go somewhere, so QAnon appears to harness it, promising that the "nothing happening" is an illusion and just to wait and wait and wait. But you're right and you're strong.

Then Trump loses and some QAnon followers hit the limits of human patience to fall off while others, still desperate for a release of that energy, storm the Capitol.

I know, it's not very surprising, but I can't imagine how it would feel to have your pride in knowing the truth about the world so thoroughly challenged over a long period of time. There's no one out there who means well for the people who got suckered. Biden certainly doesn't care, it's the enemy team.

it was a weird bit of timing how the podesta emails that were the genesis of pizzagate dropped literally less than an hour after the access hollywood tape of trump bragging about sexually assaulting women came out

taqueso
Mar 8, 2004


:911:
:wookie: :thermidor: :wookie:
:dehumanize:

:pirate::hf::tinfoil:

gh0stpinballa posted:

reading about dutroux again. spillover into a similar case in germany, the connection being this murdered social worker who was discovering links to the european deep state

http://fondationprincessedecroy.eu/07-Zandvoort-Gina_Pardaens-Bernaer-GB.html

quote:

Gina Pardaens-Bernaer made a copy of one of the Zandvoort CDs and sent it to the organisation "CIDE", which in its turn communicated it to Interpol. She had discovered a "snuff film", where appeared the rape and the murder of a little girl and in which she had recognized a former associate of Michel Nihoul, famous in the Dutroux file

but but i have it on good authority snuff films don't exist

AppleNippleBOB
May 13, 2007



I bet this is old news and has already been posted, but I'm rewatching this old Adam Curtis series, and this particular part seemed strange to me.

probably nothing

*timestamped*

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZa4J67qkek&t=1454s

AppleNippleBOB has issued a correction as of 07:43 on Jan 28, 2021

Doktor Avalanche
Dec 30, 2008

can't wait for curtis' new series

Happy Thread
Jul 10, 2005

by Fluffdaddy
Plaster Town Cop

AppleNippleBOB posted:

I bet this is old news and has already been posted, but I'm rewatching this old Adam Curtis series, and this particular part seemed strange to me.

probably nothing

*timestamped*

laughing so hard rn

Regulus74
Jul 26, 2007
Is that the same goldsmith at whose place edward jay epstein said he met jeffrey epstein?

If so it's probably not nothing.

EDIT:

More info on the leon black connection

https://twitter.com/MattGoldstein26/status/1354828695664521218

Regulus74 has issued a correction as of 03:40 on Jan 29, 2021

Zoobtro
Aug 22, 2003

Got miself a nice little earner, isn't it

Doctor Jeep posted:

can't wait for curtis' new series

https://twitter.com/jonronson/status/1353333043512160257

nut
Jul 30, 2019

https://twitter.com/bridgietherease/status/1354984671226937355?s=20

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy

ah gently caress

gently caress!!!

Mr Hootington
Jul 24, 2008

I'M HAVING A HOOT EATING CORNETTE THE LONG WAY
Enemy of the State is a movie that has the deep state bad guy assassinate a US politician so they can pass a patriot act style bill so the deep state can spy on US citizens. The bad guy talks about bombing a building to get the bill passed. The bad guys birthday is 9/11

Tubgoat
Jun 30, 2013

by sebmojo

Mr Hootington posted:

Enemy of the State is a movie that has the deep state bad guy assassinate a US politician so they can pass a patriot act style bill so the deep state can spy on US citizens. The bad guy talks about bombing a building to get the bill passed. The bad guys birthday is 9/11
:psyboom:

Also, wow, this must be how kids feel when their parents/adults :stonk: out about coincidences/superstitions. :suicide:

Anime Schoolgirl
Nov 28, 2002

Mr Hootington posted:

Enemy of the State is a movie that has the deep state bad guy assassinate a US politician so they can pass a patriot act style bill so the deep state can spy on US citizens. The bad guy talks about bombing a building to get the bill passed. The bad guys birthday is 9/11
The director also "committed suicide" after the big Snowden drop

Anime Schoolgirl has issued a correction as of 12:07 on Jan 31, 2021

Tubgoat
Jun 30, 2013

by sebmojo

Anime Schoolgirl posted:

The director also "committed suicide" after the big Snowden drop

Stop it stop it stop it! My mind can only collapse inward so far!

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy

Anime Schoolgirl posted:

The director also "committed suicide" after the big Snowden drop

huh? that's off by a year. Tony Scott died in August 2012, and the Snowden leaks were in the latter half of 2013.

Anime Schoolgirl
Nov 28, 2002

gradenko_2000 posted:

huh? that's off by a year. Tony Scott died in August 2012, and the Snowden leaks were in the latter half of 2013.
oh, somehow I pegged them at 2010. i might be confusing it with the interview with that older former NSA guy the NSA was hounding

Anime Schoolgirl has issued a correction as of 12:12 on Jan 31, 2021

nut
Jul 30, 2019

Tubgoat posted:

Stop it stop it stop it! My mind can only collapse inward so far!

from what i can tell, he killed himself thinking he had inoperable brain cancer. Though, when that was first reported, his widow came out and said it's all a lie. But subsequent interviews with Ridley Scott say that Tony was fighting a long battle with cancer?

the autopsy found no evidence of cancer?

Tubgoat
Jun 30, 2013

by sebmojo
I don't even know which official sources to believe anymore, especially when overly-honest public servants get suicided.

Apparently the person who did Epstein's autopsy also did MLK's and JFK's, iirc. There is no :tinfoil: strong enough.

500excf type r
Mar 7, 2013

I'm as annoying as the high-pitched whine of my motorcycle, desperately compensating for the lack of substance in my life.

Tubgoat posted:

I don't even know which official sources to believe anymore, especially when overly-honest public servants get suicided.

Apparently the person who did Epstein's autopsy also did MLK's and JFK's, iirc. There is no :tinfoil: strong enough.

They were hired privately to do the autopsy, not the official government person

The_Rob
Feb 1, 2007

Blah blah blah blah!!

500excf type r posted:

They were hired privately to do the autopsy, not the official government person

that doesn’t make it less suspicious

500excf type r
Mar 7, 2013

I'm as annoying as the high-pitched whine of my motorcycle, desperately compensating for the lack of substance in my life.

The_Rob posted:

that doesn’t make it less suspicious

He exists for situations where people are like nah the government is shady and up to something and they hire him to come check poo poo out independently. If someone is the best at what they do, why is it suspect if they show up to the highest levels of competition or what have you.

The_Rob
Feb 1, 2007

Blah blah blah blah!!

500excf type r posted:

He exists for situations where people are like nah the government is shady and up to something and they hire him to come check poo poo out independently. If someone is the best at what they do, why is it suspect if they show up to the highest levels of competition or what have you.

yeah how could anyone that is hired for high profile cases be shady. it’s not like they’re being paid directly by the people who are involved or anything.

I don’t know why these employees think illegal labor practices are happening. we hired a third party investigator and they told us nothing was happening.

500excf type r
Mar 7, 2013

I'm as annoying as the high-pitched whine of my motorcycle, desperately compensating for the lack of substance in my life.
Who do you think is hiring this person to conduct these independent reviews?

Like it's not the government hiring him

Harold Stassen
Jan 24, 2016
Michael Baden is the guy, after watching an interview with him I want to trust him, but I don't doubt he's on the "inside" as far as answering to a higher authority when rendering a verdict. As has been mentioned before, he also did the Michael Brown autopsy.

The_Rob
Feb 1, 2007

Blah blah blah blah!!

COMPAGNIE TOMMY posted:

Michael Baden is the guy, after watching an interview with him I want to trust him, but I don't doubt he's on the "inside" as far as answering to a higher authority when rendering a verdict. As has been mentioned before, he also did the Michael Brown autopsy.

and he didn’t do the autopsy for jfk or mlk but he testified on if the autopsies done sounded correct.

Real hurthling!
Sep 11, 2001




isnt it wild how in the 60s a young guy could be a hotshot in his field doing the most high profile stuff and 60 years later they are still in the limelight and younger people have no hope of a non-gig job?

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy
Michael "are we the" Baden

inconsequential
Feb 6, 2004
From True Anon's twitter...

https://twitter.com/sfchronicle/status/1355379772155686912

Former detective who's clients included the Clintons and Weinstein on life support after some guys tried to steal his expensive camera from him.

Just wanted to say I use this thread as a resource for finding good books to read and have yet to be disappointed. Dark Alliance, All The Shah's Men, The Franklin Scandal, Think Tank Aesthetic, CHAOS, The Jakarta Method, and even a couple of books suggested when we were getting into anthropology chat (Golden Bough, Our Sun God). All have been great, like this thread.

gh0stpinballa
Mar 5, 2019

can i also recommend nut country, a very informative history of dallas, the south and the GOP. as an outsider to US politics i've always been interested in the republican shift to hard right conspiracism and this seems to be a pretty good account of it so far. big oil, the klan, US empire etc.

taqueso
Mar 8, 2004


:911:
:wookie: :thermidor: :wookie:
:dehumanize:

:pirate::hf::tinfoil:

Tubgoat posted:


Apparently the person who did Epstein's autopsy also did MLK's and JFK's, iirc. There is no :tinfoil: strong enough.

No way. How loving old are they?

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nut
Jul 30, 2019

I wanted a physical copy of A Law Unto Itself which is a book about Sullivan and Cromwell but it’s too rare and expensive. or at least I thought it was expensive until I wanted a physical copy of Old Nazis, the New Right and the Reagan Administration.

luckily I can settle for Ebooks when it comes to both

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