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Hegel Exercises posted:Love all the people now now-ing $600 and dutifully moving goalposts when we just bukakke money all over corps and folks with more money than they’d need in a dozen lifetimes. The chance to go all adult in the room to explain to people why they're actually wrong in the face of no poo poo evidence is the neoliberals siren song
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Jan 31, 2021 19:47
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Bored As gently caress posted:This sucks poo poo That $15 minimum wage isn't until 2025. The initial push for $15 was years ago when it meant a living wage. It will not be a living wage in 2025.
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Jan 31, 2021 19:48
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Hegel Exercises posted:Love all the people now now-ing $600 and dutifully moving goalposts when we just bukakke money all over corps and folks with more money than they’d need in a dozen lifetimes. How much control over legislation do you think the Dem party has had throughout this pandemic? Edit: I guess I'm missing the play here. How exactly do any of you think the Dems will force the Republicans to concede to these positions?
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Jan 31, 2021 19:49
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UP THE BUM NO BABY posted:That $15 minimum wage isn't until 2025. The initial push for $15 was years ago when it meant a living wage. It will not be a living wage in 2025. Can't wait to see what a living wage is in 2025. Or even what 2025 is.
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Jan 31, 2021 19:49
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Hegel Exercises posted:Love all the people now now-ing $600 and dutifully moving goalposts when we just bukakke money all over corps and folks with more money than they’d need in a dozen lifetimes. Because its founded on a misinterpretation so the insistence on arguing over another one time $600 just seems weird. Should be screaming about recurring payments and everything else in Bidens bill along with healthcare.
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Jan 31, 2021 19:54
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UP THE BUM NO BABY posted:That $15 minimum wage isn't until 2025. The initial push for $15 was years ago when it meant a living wage. It will not be a living wage in 2025. 2025? loving yeesh. Yeah true - it started years ago and should be updated. Maybe $20? I think it honestly might depend on cost of living. Minimum wage in cities, or states like NY or CA, should be higher than rural Arkansas or Alabama. Maybe this is a dumb idea, but wouldn't it make sense for a sliding scale of $15-$30 depending on COL of the area?
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Jan 31, 2021 19:54
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antimatt posted:Can't wait to see what a living wage is in 2025. "$25 by 2025" sounds like a good slogan to me.
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Jan 31, 2021 19:55
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Bored As gently caress posted:2025? loving yeesh. Federal minimum wage sets a floor, states can raise it.
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Jan 31, 2021 19:55
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UP THE BUM NO BABY posted:That $15 minimum wage isn't until 2025. The initial push for $15 was years ago when it meant a living wage. It will not be a living wage in 2025. LMAO
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Jan 31, 2021 20:04
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lightpole posted:Because its founded on a misinterpretation It’s an interpretation that Democrats embraced and ran on.
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Jan 31, 2021 20:07
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Bored As gently caress posted:"$25 by 2025" sounds like a good slogan to me. Sold. Let's do this. Also unionize all of the jobs.
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Jan 31, 2021 20:07
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Platystemon posted:It’s an interpretation that Democrats embraced and ran on. What other provisions of the proposed covid relief legislation would you have the Dems sever to keep that promise?
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Jan 31, 2021 20:09
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lightpole posted:Federal minimum wage sets a floor, states can raise it. Yeah they've done a great job of keeping pace with inflation 
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Jan 31, 2021 20:09
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lightpole posted:Federal minimum wage sets a floor, states can raise it. Or individual cities, as Seattle has. Also the $15 minimum in the bill is tacked to the median wage, so it'll be going up every year afterwards. maffew buildings posted:The chance to go all adult in the room to explain to people why they're actually wrong in the face of no poo poo evidence is the neoliberals siren song What loving evidence? The goddamn tweet that was posted that was right in line with "The $600 that was passed isn't enough, we need to up it to $2000?" this isn't even people misunderstanding, this is a loving effort to rewrite history at this point and I'm getting pretty loving exhausted at people calling me a neoliberal or a republican when I agree with what they want for policy but want them to get their loving facts right
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Jan 31, 2021 20:11
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how many rounds of golf has biden played since he was elected?!?!?!?!?
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Jan 31, 2021 20:12
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Grip it and rip it posted:What other provisions of the proposed covid relief legislation would you have the Dems sever to keep that promise? Democrats are pissing on my leg and tell me it’s raining, and I want it to stop.
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Jan 31, 2021 20:13
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Acebuckeye13 posted:Or individual cities, as Seattle has. Why do you keep misconstruing it? And $15 is not enough in Seattle And even further lmao at "pegged to median wages" as if that means anything in this shithole country with hyperinequality UP THE BUM NO BABY fucked around with this message at 20:15 on Jan 31, 2021 |
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Jan 31, 2021 20:13
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UP THE BUM NO BABY posted:Why do you keep misconstruing it? gently caress you
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Jan 31, 2021 20:14
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Grip it and rip it posted:Edit: I guess I'm missing the play here. How exactly do any of you think the Dems will force the Republicans to concede to these positions? It's sure challenging! Door #1 is the bipartisan door, leading to barely any money, poo poo checks, and probable 2022 losses, plus Lucy pulling the football away. Door #2 is the "give Manchin/Sinema everything" door and the House/WarrenBernie could tank it if it's not generous enough. Door #3 is the "gently caress Manchin/Sinema" path and they go superhugebig and kill filibusters and all, but M/S could tank that too without consequences. None of this poo poo is easy (but gently caress them, cry me a river). Thankfully right now, Democrats appear to be settling in Door #2.5 so things could get done. https://twitter.com/JStein_WaPo/status/1355952635912843267?s=19
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Jan 31, 2021 20:15
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Acebuckeye13 posted:gently caress you UP THE BUM NO BABY posted:My guy, just loving take the L on this one WE NEED $2000 STIMULUS CHECKS
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Jan 31, 2021 20:16
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Platystemon posted:Democrats are pissing on my leg and tell me it’s raining, and I want it to stop. Thats not an answer. You know what you want - who are you willing to put on the chopping block to get it?
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Jan 31, 2021 20:17
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Best Friends posted:"Far left reactionary" is a thing you just typed out in your politics explianer No, the problem is that PCM just wanders in to attack people and has been doing it for years. Different democrats were saying different things pre-election because they didn't have their messaging straight (SHOCKING). Enough were absolutely saying $2k checks, not top offs, but if you can't even have that conversation without resorting to poo poo like PCM's post, then just go away.
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Jan 31, 2021 20:18
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Saying we need $2000 checks is different than we need to make it $2000 total in conjunction with former payments. If we have a fundamental disagreement about what words mean I don't think we're going to get in line on policy goals
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Jan 31, 2021 20:18
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Acebuckeye13 posted:What loving evidence? The goddamn tweet that was posted that was right in line with "The $600 that was passed isn't enough, we need to up it to $2000?" this isn't even people misunderstanding, this is a loving effort to rewrite history at this point and I'm getting pretty loving exhausted at people calling me a neoliberal or a republican when I agree with what they want for policy but want them to get their loving facts right look, you have to accept that this is a problem with messaging, not facts. yes, factually, 600 + 1400 equals 2000. but the democratic apparatus went well out of their way to explicitly message that people would get a $2000 check. people got elected directly because of that explicit messaging campaign. now the messaging is universally you will get a $1400 check. that is the issue people are having, and it's a valid one that the dems have hosed up.
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Jan 31, 2021 20:19
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My personal understanding, in December, was that there would be two thousand dollars total, between the six hundred in the compromise spending bill and presumably a one‐time payment of fourteen hundred. That understanding became obsolete when Democrats, repeatedly, and at multiple levels, pushed the idea of literal two‐thousand‐dollar checks.
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Jan 31, 2021 20:20
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UP THE BUM NO BABY posted:WE NEED $2000 STIMULUS CHECKS If you are trying to argue in good faith then I don't even know where to begin. He is saying. Like Ossoff and Warnock were saying. That the $600 stimulus passed on December 29th, less than two weeks prior to when the tweet was made, is insufficient. That it needs to be $2000. Like what the Democrats were arguing as a whole, including AOC and Ilhan Omar, less than two weeks prior. how the gently caress do you think this is some slam dunk evidence why am I even arguing this
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Jan 31, 2021 20:20
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Acebuckeye13 posted:If you are trying to argue in good faith then I don't even know where to begin. You keep attacking me. I'm just pointing out where you are wrong. Sorry
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Jan 31, 2021 20:21
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UP THE BUM NO BABY posted:You keep attacking me. I'm just pointing out where you are wrong. Sorry I'm not loving attacking you, and I'm not loving wrong, jesus loving christ!
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Jan 31, 2021 20:22
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Jan 31, 2021 20:22
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Grip it and rip it posted:Thats not an answer. You know what you want - who are you willing to put on the chopping block to get it? Nothing, because Congress doesn’t work like it does in educational cartoons from the nineteen seventies. Republicans know that. Democrats behave like they don’t.
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Jan 31, 2021 20:22
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I for one hope this is a super busy legislative year. Not necessarily for getting poo poo passed, because lol that happening, but forcing republican senators to actually vote on poo poo. If I was king dick of dem senator mountain, I would have had a ton of pieces of really simple legislation drafted up to be voted on. Nothing that's a significant wedge issue, just poo poo that's generally popular that republicans will vote down and they can't run attack ads against sitting D centrists because they would have voted the same way. I'm not sure what the bare minimum you need in a bill, but basically a ton of The bill that gives you "Federally guaranteed parental leave+funding for it+the stuff to make it happen" The bill that gives you "Federal minimum wage increases+the stuff to make it happen" edit:Basically give dems a reason to vote, Defenestrategy fucked around with this message at 20:27 on Jan 31, 2021 |
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Jan 31, 2021 20:23
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Acebuckeye13 posted:I'm not loving attacking you, and I'm not loving wrong, jesus loving christ! It's okay to admit you were wrong and take a break
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Jan 31, 2021 20:23
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I have no idea why you're arguing about a direct message that we need $2000 checks versus getting to $2000 total. Words mean things, this isn't a spirit of the message thing, it's statements they made.
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Jan 31, 2021 20:24
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maffew buildings posted:Saying we need $2000 checks is different than we need to make it $2000 total in conjunction with former payments. If we have a fundamental disagreement about what words mean I don't think we're going to get in line on policy goals If you go back to before the 600 was even passed, the dems were arguing for 2k. The GOP settled for 600, then Trump said 2k. So the dems jumped on it. That's the context, which loving matters. So 2k checks. After the bill passed and it was clear the $1400 amendment wasn't going to happen, Dem messaging got muddied. Some were still pushing for 2k total, others were saying additional 2k checks, some were just vague as hell. The only people wrong in here about this are the ones pretending there was a single message being sent at all. UP THE BUM NO BABY posted:It's okay to admit you were wrong and take a break 
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Jan 31, 2021 20:24
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Jan 31, 2021 20:24
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UP THE BUM NO BABY posted:You keep attacking me. I'm just pointing out where you are wrong. Sorry Go away.
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Jan 31, 2021 20:27
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Platystemon posted:Nothing, because Congress doesn’t work like it does in educational cartoons from the nineteen seventies. Lol could you please enlighten me about how this process works then?
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Jan 31, 2021 20:28
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Grip it and rip it posted:Lol could you please enlighten me about how this process works then? Pee pee doo doo Demoncrats are a bad party.
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Jan 31, 2021 20:31
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Vincent Van Goatse posted:Go away. No u
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Jan 31, 2021 20:32
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Platystemon posted:My personal understanding, in December, was that there would be two thousand dollars total, between the six hundred in the compromise spending bill and presumably a one‐time payment of fourteen hundred. it was trump that started it, not the dems. they just dogpiled on to an obvious slam dunk that trump handed them on a silver loving platter. promising the american public, the same public that a year before the pandemic could barely put together $400 in an emergency, a two thousand dollar strings-free check, something some working class people have never experienced in their lives and is an unfathomable thing, clearly works! people want it! Godholio posted:If you go back to before the 600 was even passed, the dems were arguing for 2k. The GOP settled for 600, then Trump said 2k. So the dems jumped on it. That's the context, which loving matters. So 2k checks. After the bill passed and it was clear the $1400 amendment wasn't going to happen, Dem messaging got muddied. Some were still pushing for 2k total, others were saying additional 2k checks, some were just vague as hell. go back to the day or two after trump fired his torpedo into the GOP stimulus plan. the dems were absolutely united in messaging, seized the moment, and rolled it into an effective messaging campaign that won elections. it's not unreasonable that people are bent out of shape over that messaging plan transmuting into 600 dollars less seemingly overnight, accompanied by a small army of well, actuallys
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