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really queer Christmas
Apr 22, 2014

Oh Snapple! posted:

they 100% regret ever loving saying $2000 and a part of me is surprised they ever did because it's completely antithetical to how they normally operate

They only took it because trump forced their hand. If trump just feebly signed the $600 thing and nothing more is said, the 2K thing never comes up.

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bedpan
Apr 23, 2008

Oh Snapple! posted:

they 100% regret ever loving saying $2000 and a part of me is surprised they ever did because it's completely antithetical to how they normally operate

they do but trump forced them into the position!

Oh Snapple!
Dec 27, 2005

lol at getting urself wiggled into a jam by ol' donny

Yinlock
Oct 22, 2008

THS posted:

if it was intended to be $1400, wouldnt it also have been bad politics to not anticipate the obvious reaction of people believing they had been misled? even if you were a democrat loyalist, you would be incredibly concerned that the leadership obviously hosed up the messaging, right?

lolololol

tbf some actually did make the argument that "even if it was always 1400 dems royally hosed up the messaging", but they quickly got drowned out by blue maga

Yinlock
Oct 22, 2008

Oh Snapple! posted:

lol at getting urself wiggled into a jam by ol' donny

let's see trump wiggle out of this one

*trump uses a ninja substitution technique to switch places and put you into this one*

ah! well nevertheless

Yinlock
Oct 22, 2008

OutOfPrint posted:

They get it. They just don't care.

What does a red wave mean to the safe blue establishment seats? So long as that sweet donor cash keeps rolling in, the Pelosi and Schumer crews are totally fine losing, because then there's no need to try to walk the fine, find line between their donors and their voters.

I'm done with thinking the Democratic party is incompetent. I think they know exactly what they're doing, and that they are achieving their desired outcomes. Their goals just don't include anything that helps the working class, and pretending they do and that they are this bad at it is an increasingly silly looking position.

it's both, they're paid opposition and tremendously stupid

bedpan
Apr 23, 2008

the dems are doing there absolute best to back out of their explicit promises of a $2000 check and so far we have seen $2000 turn into $1400 turn into $1000. the commitment of the dem organization to not giving the public any relief is amazing when you consider the tradition of dems backing away from or bargaining down other proposals.

Andorra
Dec 12, 2012

What a master

bedpan
Apr 23, 2008

Yinlock posted:

let's see trump wiggle out of this one

*trump uses a ninja substitution technique to switch places and put you into this one*

ah! well nevertheless

Trabisnikof
Dec 24, 2005

Oh Snapple! posted:

they 100% regret ever loving saying $2000 and a part of me is surprised they ever did because it's completely antithetical to how they normally operate

yeah the takeaway will 100% be the mistake was offering anything specific.

the dnc will go into 2022 demanding no candidates make any specific promises whatsoever and when that fails the 2024 strategy will be to make no promises at all

lobotomy molo
May 7, 2007

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Yinlock posted:

tbf some actually did make the argument that "even if it was always 1400 dems royally hosed up the messaging", but they quickly got drowned out by blue maga

it also totally ignores the upside of going bigger to help your voters

even if they had promised $1400, why not push for $2000? or $3000/month? they would lose
nothing, get massive support from their voters, and actively bring people to their side and cement a majority for decades. a legit left-populist administration would be insanely popular right now, which is why both the democrats and republicans spend so much time and effort punching left and subverting any elected leader who even hints at leftist ideas.

so instead we’re trapped between two right-wing fash parties that have $unlimited for their billionaire overlords and dog cages for brown infants, and only bullets and teargas for the plebs. it’s same party simping for Capital, just with red or blue branding.

death to america

Yinlock
Oct 22, 2008

Fly Molo posted:

it also totally ignores the upside of going bigger to help your voters

even if they had promised $1400, why not push for $2000? or $3000/month? they would lose
nothing, get massive support from their voters, and actively bring people to their side and cement a majority for decades. a legit left-populist administration would be insanely popular right now, which is why both the democrats and republicans spend so much time and effort punching left and subverting any elected leader who even hints at leftist ideas.

so instead we’re trapped between two right-wing fash parties that have $unlimited for their billionaire overlords and dog cages for brown infants, and only bullets and teargas for the plebs. it’s same party simping for Capital, just with red or blue branding.

death to america

but republicans might call them socialists(please ignore the right calling biden a triple communist while he does everything they want)

Parity warning
Nov 1, 2009



3rd Place, TRP Sack Race 2021/22
has biden been seen since the walter reed photo op or did he just stay there

Yinlock
Oct 22, 2008

bedpan posted:

the dems are doing there absolute best to back out of their explicit promises of a $2000 check and so far we have seen $2000 turn into $1400 turn into $1000. the commitment of the dem organization to not giving the public any relief is amazing when you consider the tradition of dems backing away from or bargaining down other proposals.

Biden in particular looooves austerity. Loves it. Like eliminating social security is his white whale, he's been chasing it his entire career

Giving people any money at all is anathema to him, which is why he kept sneaking behind Obama's back to make ACA even worse, not that Obama needed much help there

Yinlock has issued a correction as of 23:31 on Jan 31, 2021

Yinlock
Oct 22, 2008

Trabisnikof posted:

yeah the takeaway will 100% be the mistake was offering anything specific.

the dnc will go into 2022 demanding no candidates make any specific promises whatsoever and when that fails the 2024 strategy will be to make no promises at all

they've all internalized the "well socialists just want Free Stuff" talking point and uh

yes?

free stuff owns

lobotomy molo
May 7, 2007

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Yinlock posted:

Biden in particular looooves austerity. Loves it. Like eliminating social security is his white whale, he's been chasing it his entire career

Giving people any money at all is anathema to him, which is why he kept sneaking behind Obama's back to make ACA even worse, not that Obama needed much help there

joe biden’s two great loves: austerity and sexually assaulting young women

luckily for him, he doesn’t have to just choose one!

Terror Sweat
Mar 15, 2009

shyduck posted:

https://twitter.com/johnpavlovitz/status/1355872540971962370?s=19

This is going to be the excuse for every lie and failing over the next 2 years

Lol at thinking Congress being afraid for once in their life is a negative

Maya Fey
Jan 22, 2017


https://twitter.com/SeanRMoorhead/status/1355967193809178624

spacemang_spliff
Nov 29, 2014

wide pickle

yes anyone can serve in government that's kind of the point of having the people elect their choice of leadership.

if you want to say, work for the FDA reviewing drug data you need to have an MD or a PhD or both.

poll plane variant
Jan 12, 2021

by sebmojo

OutOfPrint posted:

They get it. They just don't care.

What does a red wave mean to the safe blue establishment seats? So long as that sweet donor cash keeps rolling in, the Pelosi and Schumer crews are totally fine losing, because then there's no need to try to walk the fine, find line between their donors and their voters.

I'm done with thinking the Democratic party is incompetent. I think they know exactly what they're doing, and that they are achieving their desired outcomes. Their goals just don't include anything that helps the working class, and pretending they do and that they are this bad at it is an increasingly silly looking position.

THEY ALMOST GOT loving GASSED

poll plane variant
Jan 12, 2021

by sebmojo
the succ lib double mask thing is driving me loving insane, this is the biggest crack ping yet for me somehow

Troy Queef
Jan 12, 2013




hot take: the only reason they are doing $1400 checks instead of $2k is because one of the biggest voices in the Senate who supported $2k checks, apart from Bernie, was Josh Hawley, and they don't want to give him anything approaching good press after Jan 6

Terror Sweat
Mar 15, 2009

I'm hanging up clothes to dry and as I was whipping my sweatpants to get the wrinkles out I accidentally whipped it into my balls.

This seems like a very appropriate anecdote for this current moment

Yinlock
Oct 22, 2008

SchnorkIes posted:

the succ lib double mask thing is driving me loving insane, this is the biggest crack ping yet for me somehow

it's been a while since i was this blindingly furious

Jel Shaker
Apr 19, 2003

if anything you’d want fewer dems in congress because the pot of money from reliable donors stays the same and you get a larger proportion

if anything you’ll probably luck out with a qanon freak in congress scaring everyone and a bunch of rube public donations roll in, and you don’t have to do gently caress all for them because what they gonna do? they’ll soon forget anyway

Maya Fey
Jan 22, 2017


whats the double mask thing

ram dass in hell
Dec 29, 2019



:420::toot::420:

Maya Fey posted:

whats the double mask thing

We've reached a level of personal responsibility called personal responsibility 2

turd in my singlet
Jul 5, 2008

DO ALL DA WORK

WIT YA NECK

*heavy metal music playing*
Nap Ghost

Maya Fey posted:

whats the double mask thing

The pandemic is getting worse than ever and the vaccine progress is undermined both from failures in distribution and and new variants that aren't as protected against.

The dems answer? "Idk wear two masks at once I guess"

lobotomy molo
May 7, 2007

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

turd in my singlet posted:

The pandemic is getting worse than ever and the vaccine progress is undermined both from failures in distribution and and new variants that aren't as protected against.

The dems answer? "Idk wear two masks at once I guess"

they could have told people to wear respirators a year ago and saved hundreds of thousands of lives

General Bullshit
Apr 20, 2020


Who is actually mad at the Democrats? The time to be mad was in 2009 when they had everything and chose tragedy. Now is the farce.

gimme the GOD DAMN candy
Jul 1, 2007

Fly Molo posted:

they could have told people to wear respirators a year ago and saved hundreds of thousands of lives

save... lives? i thought we were talking about democrats here.

Judakel
Jul 29, 2004
Probation
Can't post for 9 years!
The Pedo Project


Also lmao at these freaks saying they're only doing this to him because he is gay. Where was this concern when it happened to alex morse

Atrocious Joe
Sep 2, 2011

Troy Queef posted:

hot take: the only reason they are doing $1400 checks instead of $2k is because one of the biggest voices in the Senate who supported $2k checks, apart from Bernie, was Josh Hawley, and they don't want to give him anything approaching good press after Jan 6

I think if that was the case we'd be seeing more messaging from Dem aligned media that $2000 direct payments is dangerous populism. That's an easier sell to most well off liberals than $1400 = $2000. Also the Senate, outside of Mitt Romney, seems to be trying to forget about Jan. 6. The consequences of that are playing out more in the House.

Buck Wildman
Mar 30, 2010

I am Metango, Galactic Governor


can now personally confirm that saying "no, trump gave me $600. he gave me $1800 total, actually" will drive liberals apeshit

Atrocious Joe
Sep 2, 2011

Does anyone else think it's weird that the Democrats are insisting that the check contain the Hitler number?

Organ Fiend
May 21, 2007

custom title

General Bullshit posted:

Who is actually mad at the Democrats? The time to be mad was in 2009 when they had everything and chose tragedy. Now is the farce.

Their betrayal on single payer was the single most consequential political event in the lives of my family, although I didn't know it until 5 years or so later. I can not conceive how different our lives would be if they hadn't.

My hatred is pure and I will never forget.

eSports Chaebol
Feb 22, 2005

Yeah, actually, gamers in the house forever,

General Bullshit posted:

Who is actually mad at the Democrats? The time to be mad was in 2009 when they had everything and chose tragedy. Now is the farce.

The singularity is real, but it isn't the point where the time interval between technological advancements reaches zero and progress becomes incomprehensible.

Instead, it is the point where the time interval between tragedy and farce reaches zero, and the difference between the two becomes indistinguishable.

Populon
Mar 1, 2008

What's the matter,scared?

Buck Wildman posted:

can now personally confirm that saying "no, trump gave me $600. he gave me $1800 total, actually" will drive liberals apeshit

His name was on both of the checks lol

Atrocious Joe
Sep 2, 2011

Liberals hate democracy
https://twitter.com/CTULocal1/status/1356016978339782659?s=20

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gimme the GOD DAMN candy
Jul 1, 2007

Populon posted:

His name was on both of the checks lol

at the time it was just another example of trump being trump and doing something egotistical and pointless. but really, he was correct to do so because dems are already trying to take credit for trumpbux while staunchly refusing to provide bidenbux.

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