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The Lone Badger posted:Do they work on people who aren't breathing? Yes, when it hits the mucus membranes at the back of the sinus it gets into the bloodstream really quickly. As long as their heart is still going, whether by itself or if someone is doing chest compressions, it will work.
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Word is that sometimes people will get mad at you for giving them narcan, it snaps them right out and they’re pissed that you ruined their high
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Feb 2, 2021 06:42
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The Lone Badger posted:I have considered that maybe gun control legislation should mandate minimum magazine capacity. Force everyone to use 60-round drum mags so that any mass-shooting events will be interrupted by swearing as the attacker attempts to unjam their gun If you outlaw 7 round magazines, then only the bad guys will have them
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Feb 2, 2021 06:44
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Ziv Zulander posted:Word is that sometimes people will get mad at you for giving them narcan, it snaps them right out and they’re pissed that you ruined their high And it can throw them in to hard core withdrawal as well.
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Feb 2, 2021 06:48
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Ziv Zulander posted:Word is that sometimes people will get mad at you for giving them narcan, it snaps them right out and they’re pissed that you ruined their high It's because you are suddenly in great pain cuz all your receptors are blocked and it causes almost instant withdrawal which is why you would be disoriented and potentially upset. It's not about 'ruining their high'
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Feb 2, 2021 06:57
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EvenWorseOpinions posted:If you outlaw 7 round magazines, then only the bad guys will have them What about a 6 round mag? 
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Feb 2, 2021 06:57
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Simple solution. 8 round revolvers.
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Feb 2, 2021 07:02
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KoRMaK posted:C'mon, this just sounds like addict Boogeyman bullshit. Did a DARE officer share that anecdote with you? In theory you could precisely calculate the naloxone dose to pull them out of OD without throwing them into withdrawal. In practice you're never going to have enough data to know precisely how much they took and if it had fentanyl in it, and it's way safer to give too much naloxone than too little.
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Feb 2, 2021 07:03
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The Lone Badger posted:In theory you could precisely calculate the naloxone dose to pull them out of OD without throwing them into withdrawal. https://twitter.com/PoopySkittles/status/1356369013681627139?s=19
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Feb 2, 2021 07:06
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KoRMaK posted:C'mon, this just sounds like addict Boogeyman bullshit. Did a DARE officer share that anecdote with you? No it can be. Usually this happens in a situation where somebody has a really intense nod on and a inexperienced person thinks they are OD'ing when they aren't and hits them with it. To somebody who hasn't been around addicts a heavy nod where the person is mostly unresponsive (but breathing normally) can easily seem like a medical emergency. This will piss that person off when they are suddenly awake and sick. On the flip side in a true OD situation, the person who just got hit with the Narcan will not always realize how bad of a situation they were in and will make this complaint. It does actually happen. I've been through a lot of poo poo in my life and precipitated withdrawals is by far the worst experience I've ever had. I am extremely glad that part of my life is over.
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Feb 2, 2021 07:07
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KoRMaK posted:C'mon, this just sounds like addict Boogeyman bullshit. Did a DARE officer share that anecdote with you? I heard that years ago back when I was an emt, but I never actually had to use narcan myself
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Feb 2, 2021 07:15
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D-Pad posted:No it can be. Usually this happens in a situation where somebody has a really intense nod on and a inexperienced person thinks they are OD'ing when they aren't and hits them with it. To somebody who hasn't been around addicts a heavy nod where the person is mostly unresponsive (but breathing normally) can easily seem like a medical emergency. This will piss that person off when they are suddenly awake and sick. On the flip side in a true OD situation, the person who just got hit with the Narcan will not always realize how bad of a situation they were in and will make this complaint. It does actually happen. I can back this up, I know EMTs that have had people come out of an overdose combative because they don't understand (or don't care) why they're suddenly sober and not in the happy sleepy place.
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Feb 2, 2021 07:17
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I'll tell you what tough, a sternum rub takes a lot of drunks from "unresponsive" to "grumpy" so I can believe narcan can have the same effect.
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Wasabi the J posted:I'll tell you what tough, a sternum rub takes a lot of drunks from "unresponsive" to "grumpy" so I can believe narcan can have the same effect. Sternum rubs fuckin suckkkkk
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CaptainSarcastic posted:I feel like I should point out that you can also get naloxone nasal spray kits which are going to be a lot easier and less intimidating to use than injection kits. I know we have them here in the states, and this chart is from Canada: I would love to be able to do a spray. I'm on my second or third needle kit now. Maybe 5 recoveries? I'm not keeping score. This isn't a game and it loving sucks to have to deal with it. I hate everything about this, especially the jabbing part, but I am ethically required to do what I can unless it's clearly over. Put if we still have a pulse, whatever, you get one more day. Like it or not. Fix your poo poo or end yourself in a less public place. I hate this.
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I worked resort casino security so I can't pretend I wasn't a jerk a few times to people, even if I made every effort to be chill about everything... So a sleeping drunk who is pretending to be asleep (badly) for reasons?? "Oh dang man glad you woke up you were so gone we were gonna get the paramedics!!" I don't have the response and they don't hurt me, but I swear I only ever did like maybe 5 lbs of pressure, but yeah they're great if you need a non-injurious way to tell if someone has a response to pain
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Feb 2, 2021 07:57
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lol Michael Jackson was on 3mg Dilaudid twice a day lmao Dude was secretly a heroin addict haha
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Feb 2, 2021 08:18
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Yeah, wasn't it known that he had been dependant on high strength opioids ever since Pepsi set him fire in the 80s?
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Feb 2, 2021 08:26
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CannonFodder posted:I was worried it would get unbalanced and fly out of control Like this wooden crankshaft and conrods? https://youtu.be/HnOOteMIqUo https://youtu.be/C2jsyJTcRLI
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Varkk posted:Yeah, wasn't it known that he had been dependant on high strength opioids ever since Pepsi set him fire in the 80s? I thought it was just the same deal as Prince, he'd spent his entire life dancing and had multiple hosed joints and constant pain he was trying to treat.
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I hadn't heard of a sternum rub before but I looked it up and now my sternum feels bruised so I guess it works.
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Dip Viscous posted:I hadn't heard of a sternum rub before but I looked it up and now my sternum feels bruised so I guess it works. I also didn't know what a "sternum rub" was and now it just screams "doctor language" to me. I'm going to give you a "rub" and you may feel some slight "pressure" "OW gently caress"
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Just to double check my eyes, the airbag blew his hat off?
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Propaganda Hour posted:Just to double check my eyes, the airbag blew his hat off? yup.
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The Butcher posted:I would love to be able to do a spray. I'm on my second or third needle kit now. Maybe 5 recoveries? I'm not keeping score. This isn't a game and it loving sucks to have to deal with it. This + username = 
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Ak Gara posted:I also didn't know what a "sternum rub" was and now it just screams "doctor language" to me. TBH I was taught that in context of checking casualties of war for their level of alertness and was more safe than the unauthorized "eyeball flick". Also where I learned the recovery position, which is incidentally a fantastic position for sleeping on the floor.
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AHH F/UGH posted:lol Michael Jackson was on 3mg Dilaudid twice a day lmao Look at the fuckin xanax number. That's like somewhere between 10x and 40x the maximum daily dosage. 250mg/day is just insane.
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Coming off 250mg/day would literally take years to taper from if it's even possible at all. I know people that it took 6 months to come off 15mg/day, and the entire time was hell for them.
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Artemis J Brassnuts posted:Jesus you guys all party way harder than I ever did I didn't have a mobile phone with a decent camera so no evidence early 00s (also minimal memories). Although being drunk out of my gourde on my 21st throwing Magnum icecreams from a R22 in the passenger seat hovering a nightclub is something I do remember.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F843AqfNsaA No one needs to go to work ever again! Just do all your thorough inspections from the perspective of a short robot.
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Necrosaro posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F843AqfNsaA "I'm looking at the gauge right now and everything's fine" Yup. Just like it should be. Alarm going off, :taps gauge:, I'm sure it's fine. Fade to black.
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Necrosaro posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F843AqfNsaA Cyberdyne has to get their robots into our infrastructure somehow.
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CaptainSarcastic posted:I feel like I should point out that you can also get naloxone nasal spray kits which are going to be a lot easier and less intimidating to use than injection kits. I know we have them here in the states, and this chart is from Canada: don't forget to take their wallet as a tip for your service
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KoRMaK posted:Like if your own private doc administered it for you  this is my new hot sauce podcast review for real chili-heads that don't gently caress with performance enhancers.
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Ziv Zulander posted:Word is that sometimes people will get mad at you for giving them narcan, it snaps them right out and they’re pissed that you ruined their high It's not pleasant, but that isn't a good enough reason not to use narcan. Actually that sounds like anti-drug rhetoric that people would be more concerned about losing their high than dying of respiratory depression.
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LifeSunDeath posted:don't forget to take their wallet as a tip for your service why would you want an empty wallet?
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That Dilaudid line made me  immediately. I remember when my dad was in hospice dying from stage 4 cancer the medical staff bluntly told us that once he went on Dilaudid that there was no coming back.
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xtal posted:It's not pleasant, but that isn't a good enough reason not to use narcan. Actually that sounds like anti-drug rhetoric that people would be more concerned about losing their high than dying of respiratory depression. It's not that hard to understand really: they are asleep for the dying part, and awake for the part where they are sober, extremely sick, and the person who just gave them that feeling is leaning over them / holding them
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