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Wasn’t the entire point of the Council that they sucked and were keeping the Slayers down?
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Maxwell Lord posted:Wasn’t the entire point of the Council that they sucked and were keeping the Slayers down? It's been awhile since I paid much attention, but basically the council sucked for all sorts of reasons. Willow pointed it out late in the series that "So, there's only one Slayer at a time to fight literally all of this on her own because a bunch of old dudes a long time ago decided that was how it should be? That's stupid and I'm magical enough to unfuck this idea.", and then magics it up so that there can be many Slayers active at once.
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Feb 2, 2021 05:44
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Cleretic posted:Rachel Bloom put every single musical number from the show on Youtube, I'd suggest starting with one of those. Which one is very dependent on what you want to show. Something I appreciated was that it pointed out that mentally healthy people can still benefit from therapy, you don't have to be actually crazy, because Josh starts seeing a therapist towards the end, and when Rebecca asks about that Josh tells her he hasn't got any specific diagnosis, he's just introspective, which is why he's been in so many failed relationships, because he doesn't like to be alone with his thoughts because they can get intrusive.
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Feb 2, 2021 06:18
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the_steve posted:It's been awhile since I paid much attention, but basically the council sucked for all sorts of reasons. The old dudes were a really long time ago, like dawn of man stuff. It's one sacrifice to protect the tribe from the monsters in the dark. Issues of scale are unsurprising. Not sure Willow activating every potential slayer in the world is any less hosed up an idea tbh. It's a horrible and short life for most, and if you do survive you have to feature in an awful comic book series.
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Feb 2, 2021 06:38
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The weirdest thing about all the extra slayers showing up at the end of Buffy was the nerd friend from Freaks and Geeks being one of them and looking exactly the same even though it was like 8 years later.
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Feb 2, 2021 06:44
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sassassin posted:The old dudes were a really long time ago, like dawn of man stuff. It's one sacrifice to protect the tribe from the monsters in the dark. Issues of scale are unsurprising. It's not like they have to *live* like Slayers, though. The only reason Buffy had to face all the vampires and demons ever is because she was the only one (or at most two)- now there's like hundreds, she (and they) can now decide how to use their powers. All it just means is they get the super strength and such. And the old dudes were pretty much what became the Council, at least that's what I figured.
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Feb 2, 2021 07:29
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Maxwell Lord posted:It's not like they have to *live* like Slayers, though. The only reason Buffy had to face all the vampires and demons ever is because she was the only one (or at most two)- now there's like hundreds, she (and they) can now decide how to use their powers. All it just means is they get the super strength and such. By the time of the show the watcher's council are a bunch of British boarding school chaps many thousands of years removed from the African tribesmen who created the first slayer. So I guess, in as much as Tutankhamen "pretty much became" the Presidency of the United States? Faith is a decent example of why having a bunch of super-powered young women running around the world unsupervised can be a bad idea. The slayer wasn't presented as a good system for vampire-management, but it wasn't something anyone with sense would want to fiddle with and risk breaking either. Though I'm sure some clever sod in the council was suggesting drowning and resuscitating slayers over and over to create more slayers after what happened with Buffy. What could go wrong?
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Feb 2, 2021 07:50
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Antifa Turkeesian posted:The weirdest thing about all the extra slayers showing up at the end of Buffy was the nerd friend from Freaks and Geeks being one of them and looking exactly the same even though it was like 8 years later. It was like a year and a half later
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Feb 2, 2021 08:01
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sassassin posted:
 Faith is a pretty good example of hosed up then council was. Instead of helping her deal with her issues they wanted to lock her up In a box for ever. Because that was what the council was about : controlling women.
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Feb 2, 2021 11:55
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When I was younger Faith's lifestyle seemed like a cool normal grown up life before she started murdering people and had a breakdown but as an adult it's like, why is this 17-year-old girl living alone in a motel room? Where she can't afford rent because she doesn't have a job because she trains and fights vampires all the time? Obviously the Watcher's Council don't give a poo poo about her living conditions, but why don't Joyce or Giles take her in? It's implied that Faith has been sexually abused and she was certainly physically abused by her mother (who is dead, and her father is either also dead or was never a presence in her life). I know keeping Faith isolated was important for plot and thematic reasons but geez Giles you let Spike live in your bathtub you couldn't let Faith have the couch?
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Feb 2, 2021 12:30
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Antifa Turkeesian posted:the nerd friend from Freaks and Geeks The most anonymizing description ever given.
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Feb 2, 2021 12:40
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They meant Sarah Hagan who played Millie in 'Freaks and Geeks' and appeared in 10 episodes of 'Buffy' around two years later. https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0353247/?ref_=tt_cl_t14
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Feb 2, 2021 16:03
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Oh good. I was like, "Martin Starr played a slayer?"
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Feb 2, 2021 16:19
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Alhazred posted:Yeah, all those women running around unsupervised Super-powered ones, yes.
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Feb 2, 2021 16:28
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IshmaelZarkov posted:One day I'll work out how to get people to watch Crazy Ex-Girlfriend and not be immediately turned off by the title, premise, or structure.
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Feb 2, 2021 17:10
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Sarcopenia posted:Is it worth watching if you don't like musicals? I would say no. The musical numbers are pretty integrated.
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Feb 2, 2021 17:33
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sassassin posted:Super-powered ones, yes. Yes, the mind boggles when you think of the things that these women might do if a man isn't there to supervise her.
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Feb 2, 2021 18:08
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Because Buffy was also ultimately the director's wank fantasy. There was an in universe explanation for this though. All the Chinese people were on the other side of the galaxy.
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Feb 2, 2021 18:26
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oldpainless posted:There was an in universe explanation for this though. All the Chinese people were on the other side of the galaxy. That sounds incredibly racist.
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Feb 2, 2021 18:33
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oldpainless posted:There was an in universe explanation for this though. All the Chinese people were on the other side of the galaxy. I read that too, I think Whedon called it the "Han Solo" quadrant.
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Feb 2, 2021 18:40
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sassassin posted:Super-powered ones, yes. There's really one one mention of that going wrong, and it's the Angel season 5 episode "Damage." A formally-potential-but-now-activated slayer is in a psychiatric hospital. She was abused and, as a result became mentally-ill and violent. Then she suddenly got super Strength, as well as a bunch of crazy memories/dreams of the former Sayers, compounding her mental illness. She missed a dose of her medicine that mellows her out/tames her strength and she breaks out and kills a few people. Alhazred posted:Yes, the mind boggles when you think of the things that these women might do if a man isn't there to supervise her. I don't think it's so much "oh no, what will these girls do without a man to instruct them!" as much as it is hundreds, perhaps thousands(?) of young women now have super powers without knowing anything about it. It's not like Buffy et all had every potential slayer in Sunnydale getting trained. There's bound to be issues, if nothing else just simple accidents where someone injuries or possibly kills someone else just because they don't realize they were granted super strength. I know it's said in Angel and in the comics that they do spend a lot of time trying to find all of them and teach them, but several must be missed or just have no desire to fight evil. The example above is sort of a "worst case scenario," but there were bound to be other problems. I agree the Council sucked all sorts of rear end, though. DrBouvenstein has a new favorite as of 18:46 on Feb 2, 2021 |
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Feb 2, 2021 18:40
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Does Whedon still have fans? I can’t imagine a lot of people drawn to the good qualities of his work would be very accepting of his bad behavior. And boy do the bad qualities of his work really stick out.
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Feb 2, 2021 19:20
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Antifa Turkeesian posted:Does Whedon still have fans? I can’t imagine a lot of people drawn to the good qualities of his work would be very accepting of his bad behavior. And boy do the bad qualities of his work really stick out. Absolutely. Why do you think they keep hiring him for the highest profile projects?
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Feb 2, 2021 19:22
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I'm sure there are still plenty of dumbasses out there still holding out hope that Firefly will get a second season
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Feb 2, 2021 19:29
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DrBouvenstein posted:I don't think it's so much "oh no, what will these girls do without a man to instruct them!" as much as it is hundreds, perhaps thousands(?) of young women now have super powers without knowing anything about it.
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Feb 2, 2021 19:34
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Toshimo posted:Absolutely. Why do you think they keep hiring him for the highest profile projects? I don't know if that's the joke, but he hasn't made anything since his wife published that letter about him cheating on her and preying on his employees. He got fired from/"quit" that Victorian Buffy series for HBO last year.
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Feb 2, 2021 19:34
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Antifa Turkeesian posted:I don't know if that's the joke, but he hasn't made anything since his wife published that letter about him cheating on her and preying on his employees. He got fired from/"quit" that Victorian Buffy series for HBO last year. He also directed the version of Justice League that HBO is trying to erase.
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Feb 2, 2021 19:44
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Iron Crowned posted:I'm sure there are still plenty of dumbasses out there still holding out hope that Firefly will get a second season Even if the stars aligned and some studio made it happen, I’m pretty certain the entire cast would refuse to work with Adam Baldwin. I recall reading somewhere that even back then they essentially treated him as “racist grandpa” and he’s only gotten exponentially worse since.
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Feb 2, 2021 20:24
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Alhazred posted:He also directed the version of Justice League that HBO is trying to erase. I didn't realize his wife's letter was published months before Justice League was released. He also did a short film as a fundraiser for Planned Parenthood that same month, lol. I'm a little surprised he hasn't tried the "I'm a victim of cancel culture" that other lovely male feminists have tried once they get found out, but maybe he's got more dirty laundry waiting.
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Feb 2, 2021 20:35
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hawowanlawow posted:dracula aged just fine except for van helsing's optimism about Texas joining the union
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Feb 2, 2021 20:38
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oldpainless posted:There was an in universe explanation for this though. All the Chinese people were on the other side of the galaxy. Didn't he also retcon Firefly to claim that River and Simon Tam were half-Chinese?
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Feb 2, 2021 21:05
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Antifa Turkeesian posted:I didn't realize his wife's letter was published months before Justice League was released. He also did a short film as a fundraiser for Planned Parenthood that same month, lol. I think he hasn't tried that because 1) It goes against the image of himself that he likes to market, where he's one of the Woke Good Ones and 2) He's probably hoping the fanboys (emphasis on boys) will do their part to memoryhole it all if he lays low long enough and doesn't raise a stink about how he's been cancelled.
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Feb 2, 2021 21:30
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Sarcopenia posted:Is it worth watching if you don't like musicals? The muscial numbers aren't really traditional musical numbers. The Sexy Getting Ready Song is one of the first episode, non-spoilery songs, so it's a reasonable litmus test. If you get a chuckle from this, you'll like the show. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJmWuNKabtM There's a lot of genre parody songs and whatnot. Pretty solid overall.
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Feb 3, 2021 03:10
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Anyone remember the last Irish guy in the universe in Firefly? What was up with that guy?
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Feb 3, 2021 05:14
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All Irish people are criminals. The character was a criminal. Therefore the character was Irish. Whedon logic.
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Feb 3, 2021 09:43
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Iron Crowned posted:I'm sure there are still plenty of dumbasses out there still holding out hope that Firefly will get a second season About that, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wVU8z8h00jI
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Feb 3, 2021 10:02
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the_steve posted:2) He's probably hoping the fanboys (emphasis on boys) will do their part to memoryhole it all if he lays low long enough and doesn't raise a stink about how he's been cancelled. Not only looks like Louis CK, but steals his defence.
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Feb 3, 2021 14:44
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Just make a Firefly sequel without Whedon, set in in a frontier town. Have actual Chinese people in it. Characters from the original series can drop in as cameos.
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Feb 3, 2021 18:30
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Write actual dialogue instead of one-liners, have a cast that isn't full of the writer's jailbait wank fantasies, and lose all the rape stuff.
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Feb 3, 2021 19:18
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But more Vancouver-accented Chinese phrases delivered with an attempted American old-west dialect on top of it, please.
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