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Some Goon posted:Workload? Pretty much just gaming. I use it for work but emails and Excel don't really count. I have a 3060ti and a 75Hz monitor and a 2400G right now and I want to squeeze some more frames out of it.
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Feb 3, 2021 18:13
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gradenko_2000 posted:The Ryzen 3100 ran out of stock at retailers here and the 3600 is now overpriced at almost 230 USD I'd eat the price increase and get the 3600. Or if you can find the 3600X at MSRP (even if you had to hunt around) consider whether that would be worth it. Zen+ sucks especially at gaming, it's not great for productivity either given how bad it is in AVX workloads.
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Feb 3, 2021 18:24
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Some Goon posted:Workload? don't get that thing with a Vega.. nothing but unstable from my experiences. Come on dudes, don't be fanboys, get the Intel.
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Feb 3, 2021 18:24
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Paul MaudDib posted:I'd eat the price increase and get the 3600. Or if you can find the 3600X at MSRP (even if you had to hunt around) consider whether that would be worth it. To be clear, you're saying that if I can find a 3600X at or near its MSRP of 249 USD, consider getting that instead of a non-X that's almost the same price anyway for worse base clocks?
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Feb 3, 2021 18:28
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gradenko_2000 posted:Pretty much just gaming. I use it for work but emails and Excel don't really count. A 2600 should be fine for 75fps atm, but it doesn't leave much headroom for a 144hz monitor or possibly more cpu-intensive games - I haven't played an asscreed since 2, so I can't say myself how it will perform for that.
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Feb 3, 2021 18:38
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Get a 10400f for 155.
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Feb 3, 2021 18:46
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gradenko_2000 posted:To be clear, you're saying that if I can find a 3600X at or near its MSRP of 249 USD, consider getting that instead of a non-X that's almost the same price anyway for worse base clocks? Sorry I meant 5600X at MSRP. I'd either go 3600 or 5600X, Zen+ is pretty bad.
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Feb 3, 2021 18:53
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2000 really isn't worth it. I mean, I have one, but I also have the ability to upgrade when I feel like it. The difference between 2000 and 3000 is night and day in games.
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Feb 3, 2021 18:55
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Paul MaudDib posted:Sorry I meant 5600X at MSRP. I'd either go 3600 or 5600X, Zen+ is pretty bad. Ah. The 5600X is over 370 USD where I can find it cheapest, and I'd need a new board because I'm on a B350, so it's out of the question. I'll probably either bite the bullet on the 3600 or wait a while longer for something to change.
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Feb 3, 2021 19:02
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I've got the 3700X but these newfangled zens would only be 5-15% better on paper and negligible for 4k right? And be hotter and use more power? Is the allure they are much better on single threaded stuff? I have a few games that are like that, but meh.
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Feb 3, 2021 21:14
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Quaint Quail Quilt posted:I've got the 3700X but these newfangled zens would only be 5-15% better on paper and negligible for 4k right? ufarn fucked around with this message at 21:37 on Feb 3, 2021 |
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Feb 3, 2021 21:26
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Quaint Quail Quilt posted:I've got the 3700X but these newfangled zens would only be 5-15% better on paper and negligible for 4k right? For CPU bound gaming it can be more like 20%+ and the PPT (maximum allowed power use for the CPU) is exactly the same as Ryzen 3000 for all SKUs. It's not worth an upgrade for people who currently have Ryzen 3000 unless you're upgrade obsessed like me but they are really impressive CPUs. Here's a good video comparing the 3700X vs 5600X in gaming, even with two fewer cores it's 19% faster. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SirkX7mG-24&t=1154s MaxxBot fucked around with this message at 21:43 on Feb 3, 2021 |
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Feb 3, 2021 21:34
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Paul MaudDib posted:Zen+ is pretty bad. Hard agree. Zen+ was, on average, a 3% uplift over Zen. It only ever made sense when it was the current generation, and was selling at the same MSRP as the Ryzen 1000 parts. And arguably not even then. Remember when 1600s were $80? You don't want a Zen+ part in 2021.
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Feb 3, 2021 22:15
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It's hard to comprehend now but at one point the 2700X was available for $130 at times which was a great deal, those days are long gone though and you should just buy a 3600.
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Feb 3, 2021 22:25
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MaxxBot posted:It's hard to comprehend now but at one point the 2700X was available for $130 at times which was a great deal, those days are long gone though and you should just buy a 3600. sigh, if only we had clapped. just clapped. that's all it would have taken.
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Feb 3, 2021 23:56
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B-1.1.7 Bomber posted:sigh, if only we had clapped. just clapped. that's all it would have taken. 
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Feb 4, 2021 00:20
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Canna Happy posted:Get a 10400f for 155. I think this is a better option over a 2600.
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Feb 4, 2021 17:47
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Newegg shuffle going live in 30 minutes: https://www.newegg.com/product-shuffle All 5x00 CPUs and a Powercolor 6800XT on deck.
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Feb 4, 2021 18:30
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Any particularly good or bad 3070's here?
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Feb 4, 2021 18:46
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mdxi posted:Newegg shuffle going live in 30 minutes: https://www.newegg.com/product-shuffle I'm very curious what the stats will end up being this lottery.
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Feb 4, 2021 19:13
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mdxi posted:Powercolor 6800XT on deck. lol it's $1100
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Feb 4, 2021 19:41
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Inept posted:lol it's $1100 I was just trying to be helpful; those were the only items showing up before it went live. After go-live there are, like, 9 GPUs.
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Feb 4, 2021 19:52
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Yeah, I just thought it was a funny ta-da gently caress you reveal from Newegg.
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Feb 4, 2021 22:34
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Anyone know what the difference between "Current Temperature" and "Junction Temperature" is on AMD cards? This 6800xt is my first ever AMD GPU and I'm not familiar with how their stuff works.
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Feb 4, 2021 22:47
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Dramicus posted:Anyone know what the difference between "Current Temperature" and "Junction Temperature" is on AMD cards? This 6800xt is my first ever AMD GPU and I'm not familiar with how their stuff works. Tcase, which you might also encounter, is the maximum temperature for the integrated heat-spreader.
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Feb 4, 2021 23:58
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BlankSystemDaemon posted:Junction temperature, or Tjunc/Tmax/Tjmax, is the internal temperature at which point your CPU will shut itself down to prevent damaging itself from overheating. I'm familiar with Tjunction, but in the Radeon software "Junction Temperature" rises dynamically alongside "Current Temperature"  That's what I'm asking about.
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Feb 5, 2021 00:08
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Dramicus posted:I'm familiar with Tjunction, but in the Radeon software "Junction Temperature" rises dynamically alongside "Current Temperature" 
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Feb 5, 2021 00:10
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supposedly "gpu temp" is the olde "gpu package temp sensor", but "junction temp" is the exact temperature of the currently hottest bit of the gpu.
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Feb 5, 2021 00:20
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I have decided to do system rebuilds with 3950X CPUs instead of 5900Xs. I'm telling you this because it should guarantee that 5000 series Ryzens become generally available sometime in the next three days. You're welcome.
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Feb 5, 2021 01:13
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Truga posted:supposedly "gpu temp" is the olde "gpu package temp sensor", but "junction temp" is the exact temperature of the currently hottest bit of the gpu. That's what I figured it was, thanks. BlankSystemDaemon posted:Well, if they're going to overload terms, then what the gently caress is the point of using words to begin with. Yeah, I kind wish they would make it clear that "This number is one you need to worry about." and "This one you don't need to worry about, but here it is in case you are curious."
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Feb 5, 2021 02:35
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Dramicus posted:Yeah, I kind wish they would make it clear that "This number is one you need to worry about." and "This one you don't need to worry about, but here it is in case you are curious." I really wish this didn't make me come off as a perscriptivist linguist, but it's so frustrating when words with very clear technical meaning get deliberately overloaded by some new thing, without any care at all.
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Feb 5, 2021 07:46
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Any known gotchas with Asrock B450m Pro boards? I have an acquaintance dealing with a lot of crashing, and I'm gently trying to guide them toward troubleshooting. I'm guessing RAM, but trying to get them to respond to questions is difficult. Any tips or tricks I can pass along? I've never used an ASRock mobo so don't feel as confident in advice as I would if it was ASUS, Gigabyte, or MSI.
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Feb 5, 2021 07:54
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BlankSystemDaemon posted:This is just as frustrating as Linus Torvalds deciding that git checkout should mean something different than than cvn checkout (which is as old as Linux is, which makes it a mystery why Linus didn't use it, causing Linux to not have any version history for its initial period) or svn checkout, for absolutely no apparent reason other than it seems designed to gently caress with people who has decades of muscle memory for using checkout the way git uses clone. Nice CUDA post.
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Feb 5, 2021 08:03
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I seem to be getting better performance/stability on my 5600x just setting the PBO max override to +100mhz and calling it a day. Any higher and it runs up against aggressive downclocking, and messing around with even a -10 all core offset in AMD curve optimizer just introduces crashes. Don't really have the patience to find the perfect power offset for each individual core.
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https://gizmodo.com/chip-makers-warn-of-continued-gadget-shortages-through-1846197483quote:When the covid-19 pandemic began shutting the world down in late 2019 and early 2020, there was an early run on household supplies, followed by shortages of gadgets like webcams and laptops. Toilet paper is now readily available, but major hardware companies like Qualcomm, AMD, and Sony warn that chip shortages will continue to impact tech well into 2021.
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Feb 5, 2021 12:30
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BlankSystemDaemon posted:Well, if they're going to overload terms, then what the gently caress is the point of using words to begin with. Tj/Tjunc/Tjunction and TjMax/TjunctionMax are not the same term. One is a temperature measurement, the other is the maximum spec for that measurement.
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Feb 5, 2021 14:45
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CaptainSarcastic posted:Any known gotchas with Asrock B450m Pro boards? I have an acquaintance dealing with a lot of crashing, and I'm gently trying to guide them toward troubleshooting. I'm guessing RAM, but trying to get them to respond to questions is difficult. Any tips or tricks I can pass along? Mine has been ok. Get them to change their XMP setting to auto, which should revert back to JDEC memory speeds. But if they don't want to answer your questions or respond, just let them deal with it.
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Feb 5, 2021 15:08
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CaptainSarcastic posted:Any known gotchas with Asrock B450m Pro boards? I have an acquaintance dealing with a lot of crashing, and I'm gently trying to guide them toward troubleshooting. I'm guessing RAM, but trying to get them to respond to questions is difficult. Any tips or tricks I can pass along? Which processor? RAM is the most likely thing. I found that Corsair 3200 is being a bitch with these boards and dropping to 2133 doesnt help.
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Feb 5, 2021 15:27
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I'm not sure if I placed the thermal paste optimally on my 5600x + Scythe mugen 5 rev b. I put a decent sized blob in the middle, but when I placed the heatsink it was pushing down more on one side than the other. I get around 40C idle, 66 during AIDA64 stress test, 72 during Kingdom Come Deliverance with ultra settings. Does that sound alright? I don't think these temps are very high, but I saw a video of an installation of the same cooler and that guy got 53C during the same stress test. 
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PirateBob posted:I'm not sure if I placed the thermal paste optimally on my 5600x + Scythe mugen 5 rev b. I put a decent sized blob in the middle, but when I placed the heatsink it was pushing down more on one side than the other. Dunno in terms of vs what it could be, but those temps are absolutely fine.
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