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esperterra
Mar 24, 2010

SHINee's back




iirc, pre-votes (in the first week anyway) count toward a song being nominated in its second week of promotion. Songs can't be nominated or win in the first week of promotions. Every music show does its scoring in varying convoluted ways not worth going into t b h, but it's likely Dreamcatcher will at least be nominated on most/all of the shows next week.

Also worth noting that groups or soloists who are not currently promoting may still have their songs win poo poo, for instance both Maria and When We Disco were in the top 3 of most shows or still winning like months after those songs came out, or any BTS song just dominating forever. I'm honestly expecting (G)I-DLE to keep winning for Hwaa this week, they've had like seven wins in a row.

It would be nice to see Dreamcatcher get a first win. I don't really vibe with their music, but they're crazy talented and deserve more attention in Korea, which this comeback finally seems to be getting them. But they'll be up against (G)I-DLE, Yunho, HyunA, and I'm sure at least 3 boys bands I don't know the names of but are probably very popular lmfao. Here's hoping tho.


Scylo posted:

I feel like these show voting systems don't actually work because it's just the most dedicated fans streaming over and over or buying 30 copies of an album and lesser known boy groups just automatically have more chance than lesser known girl groups due to the power of teenage girls. Like it was cool when Loona got a win and I wish more groups could have that moment. No idea how to come up with a voting system to give more groups a chance though. The new single was the first Dreamcatcher song I've liked so lets hope there are lots of people like me

Also, this. I personally cared a lot more about music show wins before streaming became a big part of the votes (though on most shows, M/V streams are a super low percentage compared to everything else. GP appeal is way more important when it comes to getting a song to win on most shows) but music show wins are still super important for rookie groups or groups who haven't had one yet-- especially when you consider that a lot of groups get perks from the company after their first win, which can range from something small like a hella good meal to something more substantial like 'you're allowed to have phones now'.

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teagone
Jun 10, 2003

That was pretty intense, huh?

Yeah, Idle's on like their 9th win total now for Hwaa. Based off all the Discord chatter (I joined a G-Idle Discord server, lol), the Neverland folk are tryin' real hard to get them a 10th win.

esperterra
Mar 24, 2010

SHINee's back




ayyy, SHINee's title track is confirmed to be Don't Call Me, which was intended to be BoA's title track for Better but she rejected it due to not suiting what she wanted/thinking it sounded better for a group. On her reality show for the album, Minho joked to Lee Soo Man about how they will take any of BoA's castoffs and lmao I guess he got his wish.

e: also in SM news, SuJu's album has been delayed to March :(

esperterra fucked around with this message at 04:11 on Feb 1, 2021

Centusin
Aug 5, 2009
I like gfriend but imo flirting with nazi mannequins is bad, hopefully an apology would be coming soon and maybe a history lesson

edit - oh wait there was already an apology and none of the news sites updated their stories lmao

quote:

Sowon, a member of the hit K-pop girl group GFriend, has been criticised after apparently posing for lighthearted photos with a mannequin dressed in Nazi uniform.

https://twitter.com/KOOSDOLLZ/status/1355922430955560962

In better news Twice put up the video of their Time100 Talks Performance. I liked this song on the album, I think Nayeon writes good lyrics, just a shame they didn't include the translated lyrics in the video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jj9vsP4HWwg

Centusin fucked around with this message at 15:18 on Feb 1, 2021

Bottom Liner
Feb 15, 2006


a specific vein of lasagna
Oof that’s bad. Not that it makes it any better but I had to click the full size pic to even realize that was a Nazi uniform, so I would hope she didn’t know either. If she did, then big yikes.

Twice also performed More and More and I Can’t Stop Me at the Seoul Music Awards with Jeongyeon. I think that’s the first time she’s performed ICSM so it was nice to see her back.


Bottom Liner fucked around with this message at 16:58 on Feb 1, 2021

The REAL Goobusters
Apr 25, 2008
Lmao Jesus Christ

esperterra
Mar 24, 2010

SHINee's back




I'm pretty sure a lot of that Sowon stuff is from like 2016 so don't hold your breath

teagone
Jun 10, 2003

That was pretty intense, huh?

Where the hell was she in the first place that had a full on mannequin of a nazi? I'm hoping a museum of sorts. But even still.

[edit] Oh wtf, it apparently was from inside a popular cafe?! I hope that's not true since I'm unsure of how credible this is http://tokkistar.com/source-music-release-an-official-apology-for-sowons-nazi-post/

[edit 2] Ok, apparently that's been verified. Lmao, jfc. Guess the cafe owner is a nazi?

teagone fucked around with this message at 18:12 on Feb 1, 2021

TV Zombie
Sep 6, 2011

Burying all the trauma from past nights
Burying my anger in the past

From Asianjunkie:

As far as the circumstances that led to those almost surreal photos, it was reportedly a set they filmed a VCR for GFRIEND’s Walpurgis Night album comeback show, though the exact location is unknown.

teagone
Jun 10, 2003

That was pretty intense, huh?

Bottom Liner posted:

Oof that’s bad. Not that it makes it any better but I had to click the full size pic to even realize that was a Nazi uniform, so I would hope she didn’t know either. If she did, then big yikes.

You'd think that big rear end nazi eagle crest with the swastika on the hat would be a dead giveaway up close, lol.

TV Zombie posted:

From Asianjunkie:

As far as the circumstances that led to those almost surreal photos, it was reportedly a set they filmed a VCR for GFRIEND’s Walpurgis Night album comeback show, though the exact location is unknown.

Seems like it was verified in another tagged instagram post that someone tweeted, that had yet another Korean lady gazing into the nazi mannequin's eyes:

https://twitter.com/luvhour/status/1355995446116839425

The REAL Goobusters
Apr 25, 2008

teagone posted:

You'd think that big rear end nazi eagle crest with the swastika on the hat would be a dead giveaway up close, lol.


Seems like it was verified in another tagged instagram post that someone tweeted, that had yet another Korean lady gazing into the nazi mannequin's eyes:

https://twitter.com/luvhour/status/1355995446116839425

lmfao for loving real. The power of Kdramas man

esperterra
Mar 24, 2010

SHINee's back




Surprising absolutely nobody, Minzy just confirmed that As If It's Your Last was originally a 2NE1 song from like 2010, but didn't make the cut after they had recorded it. I mean, we been knew since that poo poo dropped, and it had previously been said by Bom on a live a while back lmbo which I think some people forget, but I always find it really fun when we get this inside baseball poo poo on which songs were originally meant for different groups.

Continues to validate why AIIYL is the only Blackpink song I really vibe hard with, also why it lowkey sounded so dated in 2017.

anyway if some gay intern at YG would like to leak the 2NE1 demo I'd be appreciative

if some gay intern would like to leak the ridiculous amount of recorded and never released 2NE1 content in general tbh

Bottom Liner
Feb 15, 2006


a specific vein of lasagna
I’d bet like 3 or 4 other early BP songs were meant for 2NE1 too. They definitely have that sound. Especially Boombayah.

She also said the girls are talking about doing something together again which is way more noteworthy!

esperterra
Mar 24, 2010

SHINee's back




Bottom Liner posted:

I’d bet like 3 or 4 other early BP songs were meant for 2NE1 too. They definitely have that sound. Especially Boombayah.

Yeah, Boombayah definitely could have fit into Crush if the lyrics were originally different than what Blackpink ended up releasing, which they probably would have been if Boombayah is another former demo from the vault. The sound is there, but the content is very much not the right vibe.

e: ^^ 202NE1 coming true would be the greatest thing to happen in a long time tbqh

The REAL Goobusters
Apr 25, 2008
The demo situation is wild but I'm reminded by when IZ*ONE debuted with a track that was originally meant for CLC. They just straight up took it from that group and gave it to izone instead.

esperterra
Mar 24, 2010

SHINee's back




The REAL Goobusters posted:

The demo situation is wild but I'm reminded by when IZ*ONE debuted with a track that was originally meant for CLC. They just straight up took it from that group and gave it to izone instead.

It happens a lot and all the time tbh, especially within companies, and even outside the kpop zone sometimes when Western writers make songs that end up going to a kpop group-- a prominent one off the top of my head is Look Who's Talking from BoA's English album being co-written by Britney Spears and originally meant for In The Zone, the demo of which is floating around out there. There's also the Kesha demo of Run Devil Run, but that song was always intended for SNSD and Kesha just sang for the guide. Songs being passed around is the least big news in any pop industry rly, but goddamn is it fun to talk about and think about what it might have sounded like for the people it was originally intended for.

The As If It's Your Last one is just more noteworthy? I guess because whether or not old Blackpink songs were originally 2NE1 songs used to (lol still does tbh) cause a lot of tension and speculation, mostly due to the way things ended with 2NE1's sudden disbandment and people being bitter as gently caress about songs meant for them going to the newer, younger version of them lmao.

Thom and the Heads
Oct 27, 2010

Farscape is actually pretty cool.
Please recommend me 2NE1 songs that are similar to AIIYL because I love that song a lot and haven't heard anything by 2NE1.

esperterra
Mar 24, 2010

SHINee's back




Thom and the Heads posted:

Please recommend me 2NE1 songs that are similar to AIIYL because I love that song a lot and haven't heard anything by 2NE1.

What's that?? Post every single 2NE1 M/V in order, and then tell you to go listen to the rest of their music, because in true YG fashion they honestly don't have much, it's just a bunch of their b-sides became singles with MVs?

I apologize in advance for how many embeds are going to be in this post. But it's 202NE1 baby, let's set them on fire! (i'm going to try to keep the embeds to just their main huge bops/my faves of their tracks with videos. which is still going to be a fuckload of embeds)

As for songs that sound like AIIYL, I'd say Can't Nobody and Gotta Be You are the songs off the top of my head that As If It's Your Last gives me vibes of, but it also just feels like it would slot comfortable right into succession of Love themed songs/videos they released back to back in 2012-13.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=49AfuuRbgGo

Fire (Space Ver.)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zdZya6yATn0

Clap Your Hands

Go Away

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ihi_kJJj_8A

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aUiMaz4BNKw

Lonely

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7_lSP8Vc3o

I Hate You

Ugly

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LUrUPzLm5SI

Falling In Love

Do You Love Me

Missing You

Happy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLbfv-AAyvQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zdKTgwffmdo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wEkLHC7l25w

MUST SEE PERFS:

The most iconic debut stage of p much all time, other than Into The New World tbqh

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5S1Z2sUFTGo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hc7yS0406YY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmo-_GCpoYw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PzCZp8sj11g

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XK6JBHwTRM4

And their final performance together before 2NE1 ended up disbanding, when they surprised everyone by having 2NE1 appear from beneath the stage a long hiatus during CL's solo performance at MAMA:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=phGur4M9ics

Also this perf of CL's solo stage for Baddest Female/MTBD cannot go unposted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQ6xU7SSEn4

Whew lad don't even get me started on their b-sides. Or just performances in general (spoiler: every single live performance from 2NE1 or CL is loving pure magic). If you think this post was long???

esperterra fucked around with this message at 23:06 on Feb 1, 2021

esperterra
Mar 24, 2010

SHINee's back




I am jealous of anybody who has not yet taken the journey that is Dara's hair throughout the years.

Let alone taking a journey through their music!

Bottom Liner
Feb 15, 2006


a specific vein of lasagna
2NE1 was before my time but Wanna Go Back and Goodbye are an emotional gut punch.

The REAL Goobusters
Apr 25, 2008
SNSD having one of their huge songs actually be a Kesha song that SM bought always threw me for a loop

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_gfD3nvh-8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBjETYX1awQ

esperterra
Mar 24, 2010

SHINee's back




The REAL Goobusters posted:

SNSD having one of their huge songs actually be a Kesha song that SM bought always threw me for a loop

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_gfD3nvh-8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBjETYX1awQ

It was always a SNSD song, pitched to SM for them by the songwriters fwiw. Kesha just sang the demo/guide.

e: as a side note, goddamn 2010 was a fire loving year for SNSD. Coming hot off the loving insane success of Gee and Genie in 2009, and they just come on in and slap you in the face with three different concepts in Oh! (cheerleader), RDR (girl crush), Hoot (Bond girl) back to back.

man the fuckin formations for Hoot's choreo are wild too

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G500Io4e6aE

God I miss the classic SNSD knife-like choreo, their formations and transitions were fuckin off the wall sometimes. They fully took advantage of having 9 members, and everything lowkey started to look off when they later had to adapt to 8. You can really see this in the leaked MV of Catch Me if You Can that still has Jessica, vs the OT8 version that was officially released-- though the choreo itself looks smoother since the girls have had more time to practice it at that point.

RDR formations are smooth af too:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CbUDMLM3w1I

oops now I'm just posting aerial view SNSD dances

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nr7OgunPjCA

esperterra fucked around with this message at 23:40 on Feb 1, 2021

esperterra
Mar 24, 2010

SHINee's back




OH GOD YES THE WONDER GIRLS TRAIN KEEPS ROLLING
https://www.soompi.com/article/1452074wpp/sunmi-confirmed-to-make-comeback-this-month

I really hope this is the full album she has been working on for a hot minute now.

Deformed Church
May 12, 2012

5'5", IQ 81


esperterra posted:

I hope we're still getting the MV for this, it was the title track before she got sick and delayed the comeback.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_UF8snu_-D0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1scbHXpB6OM

esperterra
Mar 24, 2010

SHINee's back





lmao was just coming to post this

Bottom Liner
Feb 15, 2006


a specific vein of lasagna
Purple Kiss has a second pre-debut single/video and it’s a really dope song

https://youtu.be/JSHL-YTxRZQ

Really different vibes from their first track which is like uh, Itzy meets Dreamcatcher?

https://youtu.be/BV9yAHvHfrc

Centusin
Aug 5, 2009
Sounds pretty good, I like that they're both very different songs. I'm reaching a point where there are too many groups and I can't keep track of them all lmao

Bottom Liner
Feb 15, 2006


a specific vein of lasagna

esperterra
Mar 24, 2010

SHINee's back





SM box M/V vibes

MIDWIFE CRISIS
Nov 5, 2008

Ta gueule, laisse-moi finir.
Rude... but true :hmmyes:

e. really this was my first thought
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7_lSP8Vc3o

MIDWIFE CRISIS fucked around with this message at 22:01 on Feb 3, 2021

Vastakaiun
Apr 16, 2008

Admiral Goodenough posted:

Rude... but true :hmmyes:

e. really this was my first thought
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7_lSP8Vc3o

Hah, mine as well.

Loving this new CIX album, especially the single.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WzcjCrmKBqg

teagone
Jun 10, 2003

That was pretty intense, huh?

HWAA got its 10th win, lol. First triple crown as well (had to look that up).

.Z.
Jan 12, 2008

Solar singing 15 songs in 3 minutes with herself. :3:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fTcP_hOYff4

esperterra
Mar 24, 2010

SHINee's back




I want an official release of that medley so bad. And all her acapella covers.

Bottom Liner
Feb 15, 2006


a specific vein of lasagna
Lol at the way she perfectly mimics Hwasa’s inflections.

TV Zombie
Sep 6, 2011

Burying all the trauma from past nights
Burying my anger in the past

This was rather nice.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qEy8of1f_3E

Bottom Liner
Feb 15, 2006


a specific vein of lasagna
No clue what SM is doing with Aespa but they sound great covering this song. I assume this was supposed to come out earlier for the holidays?

https://youtu.be/wog1R1d4zls


But such a weird first comeback following Black Mamba even if that’s SM’s thing. Also :lol: the avatar shots at the end.

Centusin
Aug 5, 2009
I wonder when they will have the avatars do things and not just randomly appear occasionally

Momoland covered and added Korean for 'Wrap me in Plastic' which I have no idea what that is so I'm assuming it's something that was big on tiktok. I hate this song a lot but it's now stuck in my head for the next week.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ReJH1psuB1Q

esperterra
Mar 24, 2010

SHINee's back




That Yoo Young Jin cover is great, but lol yeah the M/V feels like it should have been released for the holiday. I wouldn't be surprised if aespa's debut was pushed back due to covid and we were supposed to get Black Mamba earlier. Though, on the other hand Forever is a winter song so the video would prob be wintery as gently caress either way.

I'm very pleased the SM tradition of girl groups releasing a cover as their second single continues to live on, I think f(x) is the only post S.E.S. group that didn't.

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Schpyder
Jun 13, 2002

Attackle Grackle

aespa seems popular enough that SM could almost assuredly ditch the idiotic avatar concept with approximately zero repercussions

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