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peanut-
Feb 17, 2004
Fun Shoe

goddamnedtwisto posted:

It's for coking coal, which is even more intriguing because that's about the lowest profit margin on coal you can get (you need a shitload of energy, plus expensive scrubbers, to turn coal into coke and it leaves a shitload of extravagantly toxic residue and there's just not that big a market for coke in western Europe any more). I'm deeply suspicious that this is the beginning of a process of "removing red tape" so we can become the China of Europe by just not giving a poo poo about pollution.

Is it a strategic asset thing? Like I could have some sympathy for the argument that we should maintain the institutional knowledge and minimum amount of infrastructure required for an end-to-end steel making process entirely within the UK.

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goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

If you ask me about the mole people in the London Underground, I WILL be forced to kill you
Fun Shoe

a pipe smoking dog posted:

has anyone had any luck buying glasses online? My frames are hosed and in an attempt at fixing them I manage to gently caress them even more by getting superglue on the lenses. I've got my prescription but it doesn't have my "pupillary distance" (how close together/far apart my eyes are) and I don't want to go into an opticians if they're even open because the idea of having someone get that close to my face is loving terrifying.

You can measure that yourself pretty much the same way they do at an opticians - stand about 5 feet from a mirror wearing your old glasses, look yourself in the eyes (this might be the trickiest part for some) and use a dry-wipe marker to mark the centre of your vision in each eye, then measure the distance between the dots

The tricky part (and the bit where having a helper do it for you really helps) is keeping your attention on the distant you rather than on the approaching pen (bring the pen up at an angle rather than going straight in), and even if you get the distance perfect the glasses will still be a little imperfect because the new frames will sit slightly differently on your nose and most faces are asymmetric, but in an emergency it'll have to do.

The Question IRL
Jun 8, 2013

Only two contestants left! Here is Doom's chance for revenge...

Vitamin P posted:

This misuse of Captain Britain imagery must not stand, OG Cap Brit rejected Excalibur and that's why he became a hero



Starmer embracing All The Worst Bits of flag-hugging is not Cap Brit at all.

The ironic thing is, at the moment Brian Braddock (the on-again/off-again Captain Britain) has a beard and looks more like a younger, swoller Jeremy Corbyn than he does Sir Keir Ktammer*.




Source: Avengers (2018) # 11.


* = In the tradition of Stan Lee I did the double Initial thing for Keir.

MikeCrotch
Nov 5, 2011

I AM UNJUSTIFIABLY PROUD OF MY SPAGHETTI BOLOGNESE RECIPE

YES, IT IS AN INCREDIBLY SIMPLE DISH

NO, IT IS NOT NORMAL TO USE A PEPPERAMI INSTEAD OF MINCED MEAT

YES, THERE IS TOO MUCH SALT IN MY RECIPE

NO, I WON'T STOP SHARING IT

more like BOLLOCKnese

peanut- posted:

Is it a strategic asset thing? Like I could have some sympathy for the argument that we should maintain the institutional knowledge and minimum amount of infrastructure required for an end-to-end steel making process entirely within the UK.

This would make more sense if the Tories hadn't let the UK steel industry go to the wall

goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

If you ask me about the mole people in the London Underground, I WILL be forced to kill you
Fun Shoe

peanut- posted:

Is it a strategic asset thing? Like I could have some sympathy for the argument that we should maintain the institutional knowledge and minimum amount of infrastructure required for an end-to-end steel making process entirely within the UK.

Maybe, but there's dozens, if not hundreds, of other things we'd have to protect or re-learn for that.

I think the simplest explanation is just that this is marginal farmland that just happens to be on top of a particularly good deposit and the landowner wants to extract more rent from it, mixed with Owning The Libs and Bold International Britain.

Goldskull
Feb 20, 2011

goddamnedtwisto posted:

https://www.gumtree.com/p/property-...65cK8sJYV2Oge94

TBH this isn't the most ridiculous London property I've ever seen (although the lack of reference to a bathroom makes me suspicious) but even so, £370 a week for a "flat" too small even for a traditional Murphy bed, instead relying on the bed moving down on what looks like a garage door track and then being supported by the sofa and "kitchen table" is certainly an example of the free market innovation we all know and love.

Thought I'd seen this somewhere: https://www.vice.com/en/article/bvxpb4/hover-bed-notting-hill-london-rental-opportunity

goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

If you ask me about the mole people in the London Underground, I WILL be forced to kill you
Fun Shoe

MikeCrotch posted:

This would make more sense if the Tories hadn't let the UK steel industry go to the wall

We still have a steel industry, it just consists of hacking bits off the Imperial German fleet at Scapa Flow.

(I joke but we do actually have a small steel industry, mostly high-quality specialist alloys - but these don't use much, if any, coke because they start with recycled steel and iron and use arc furnaces and graphite to much more precisely control the process. It sounds ridiculous but it's taken the Chinese almost 3 decades of research to crack the steelmaking process required to make ballpoint pen nibs, and there are hundreds of these weird little specialist processes and companies that specialise in them)

Skarsnik
Oct 21, 2008

I...AM...RUUUDE!




goddamnedtwisto posted:

You can measure that yourself pretty much the same way they do at an opticians - stand about 5 feet from a mirror wearing your old glasses, look yourself in the eyes (this might be the trickiest part for some) and use a dry-wipe marker to mark the centre of your vision in each eye, then measure the distance between the dots

The tricky part (and the bit where having a helper do it for you really helps) is keeping your attention on the distant you rather than on the approaching pen (bring the pen up at an angle rather than going straight in), and even if you get the distance perfect the glasses will still be a little imperfect because the new frames will sit slightly differently on your nose and most faces are asymmetric, but in an emergency it'll have to do.

I feel like the tricky part would be reaching the mirror

goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

If you ask me about the mole people in the London Underground, I WILL be forced to kill you
Fun Shoe

Skarsnik posted:

I feel like the tricky part would be reaching the mirror

You mark it on the glasses, should have made that clear.

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal
You can also just have a friend measure the distance with a wooden ruler, it's about the only optometry measurement (other than number of eyes) that can be done without any special equipment.

Skarsnik
Oct 21, 2008

I...AM...RUUUDE!




I got a pair from glasses direct and just left the pupilary distance as 'i dunno'

They've been great for what it's worth

keep punching joe
Jan 22, 2006

Die Satan!
When I get the vaccine its going to be optician, barbers, and pub. In that order.

Bought glasses online a few years back and seem to remember some tool that used your webcam to do the measurements for your pupils and the like.

Regarde Aduck
Oct 19, 2012

c l o u d k i t t e n
Grimey Drawer
Jesus Christ just lol if you didn’t have a crisis about mortality in like may, get over it and not give a gently caress about dying anymore. Being able to work from home hosed some of you up almost as much as not being able to did the rest of us.

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

Corgis love bread. And Puro


MikeCrotch posted:

He was on stage clapping when ex-MP Laura Smith called for a general strike at 2018 The World Transformed

He's got my vote

crispix
Mar 28, 2015

Grand-Maman m'a raconté
(Les éditions des amitiés franco-québécoises)

Hello, dear
what on earth was happening inside that first lady's head when she went to a petrol station :psyduck:

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

Corgis love bread. And Puro


The Question IRL posted:

The ironic thing is, at the moment Brian Braddock (the on-again/off-again Captain Britain) has a beard and looks more like a younger, swoller Jeremy Corbyn than he does Sir Keir Ktammer*.




Source: Avengers (2018) # 11.


* = In the tradition of Stan Lee I did the double Initial thing for Keir.

I've been reading through *all of Marvel from Fantastic Four #1 for nearly 2 years and am nearly up to 1990. I already want to go back and reread the Alan Moore Captain Britain stuff (The Daredevils in particular was a cool book because as well as including Moore's Cap and Miller's Daredevil you get Alan Moore writing about stuff. Like him going to a convention or him reviewing fanzines which was so loving cool).

*All in this case basically meaning main 616 continuity that is on Marvel Unlimited or I can find :filez: of. And that isn't super powering, for instance Werewolf By Night in the 70s quickly became a must skip. See, he turns into a dog and he's called Jack Russell, geddit?

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal

crispix posted:

what on earth was happening inside that first lady's head when she went to a petrol station :psyduck:
Lead.

crispix
Mar 28, 2015

Grand-Maman m'a raconté
(Les éditions des amitiés franco-québécoises)

Hello, dear
she was a real life monty python character

feedmegin
Jul 30, 2008

Grey Hunter posted:

Starmer has never been the person to lead Labor into the next election

Well yeah, the Australian Labor Party's leader is some chap called Tony apparently :shobon:

(Though google suggests he's not going to be leading that party into its next election either...)

Lungboy
Aug 23, 2002

NEED SQUAT FORM HELP

a pipe smoking dog posted:

has anyone had any luck buying glasses online? My frames are hosed and in an attempt at fixing them I manage to gently caress them even more by getting superglue on the lenses. I've got my prescription but it doesn't have my "pupillary distance" (how close together/far apart my eyes are) and I don't want to go into an opticians if they're even open because the idea of having someone get that close to my face is loving terrifying.

As said, Glasses Direct will let you try at home then send back. If you check MoneySavingExpert they often have voucher codes for Glasses Direct too so you get 2 pairs for £15 or whatever the deal is.

MikeCrotch
Nov 5, 2011

I AM UNJUSTIFIABLY PROUD OF MY SPAGHETTI BOLOGNESE RECIPE

YES, IT IS AN INCREDIBLY SIMPLE DISH

NO, IT IS NOT NORMAL TO USE A PEPPERAMI INSTEAD OF MINCED MEAT

YES, THERE IS TOO MUCH SALT IN MY RECIPE

NO, I WON'T STOP SHARING IT

more like BOLLOCKnese

goddamnedtwisto posted:

We still have a steel industry, it just consists of hacking bits off the Imperial German fleet at Scapa Flow.

(I joke but we do actually have a small steel industry, mostly high-quality specialist alloys - but these don't use much, if any, coke because they start with recycled steel and iron and use arc furnaces and graphite to much more precisely control the process. It sounds ridiculous but it's taken the Chinese almost 3 decades of research to crack the steelmaking process required to make ballpoint pen nibs, and there are hundreds of these weird little specialist processes and companies that specialise in them)

Reminds me how it's easier to build space rockets than it is to make high-performance jet engines due to the bonkers metallurgy involved. Fighter jet engine manufacturing is one of the areas China is still far behind both NATO countries and Russia.

Grey Hunter
Oct 17, 2007

Hero of the soviet union.
Accidental destroyer of planets

feedmegin posted:

Well yeah, the Australian Labor Party's leader is some chap called Tony apparently :shobon:

(Though google suggests he's not going to be leading that party into its next election either...)

I'm dyslexic. These things happen.

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal

MikeCrotch posted:

Reminds me how it's easier to build space rockets than it is to make high-performance jet engines due to the bonkers metallurgy involved. Fighter jet engine manufacturing is one of the areas China is still far behind both NATO countries and Russia.
Hoping this means a return to the rocket interceptor.

Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer

MikeCrotch posted:

Reminds me how it's easier to build space rockets than it is to make high-performance jet engines due to the bonkers metallurgy involved. Fighter jet engine manufacturing is one of the areas China is still far behind both NATO countries and Russia.

otoh they stole the f35 design, looked at it and went "this is loving stupid" and made it better

Xaerael
Aug 25, 2010

Marching Powder is objectively the worst poster known. He also needs to learn how a keyboard works.

a pipe smoking dog posted:

has anyone had any luck buying glasses online? My frames are hosed and in an attempt at fixing them I manage to gently caress them even more by getting superglue on the lenses. I've got my prescription but it doesn't have my "pupillary distance" (how close together/far apart my eyes are) and I don't want to go into an opticians if they're even open because the idea of having someone get that close to my face is loving terrifying.

Hi, I worked as a qualified Ophthalmic tech for 10+ years (left the trade because of increasing automation making it dull). Part of my qualification is dispensing based.

Option 1) Contact your Opticians and request the information. They should have it recorded, and they have to release it as it's part of your personal data.

Option 2) Get another person to make the measurement. It's very easy! Take your specs off, have them stand at arm's length with a ruler, look at them as best as you can in ONE EYE (This is important, as if you look at their other eye, your pupils move!) They then place the ruler against your face above your pupils, and measure the distance between the INSIDE edge of one pupil to the OUTSIDE edge of the other.

Mirrors don't work, as they fool your focal length. You also can't do it with your specs on, because your specs cause a natural prismatic shift that can cause a huge variation. You also can't measure yourself, because you need to look at both eyes, which results in you naturally shifting your pupils, as described above.

Option 3) Let me know your RX, height, ethnic origin, and give me a photo of your face (happy to do it over PMs). From that, I can take a good guesstimate. (I was good at it enough at one point to eyeball PDs for patients like kids, who are awful to try and measure up.)

Option 4) If your RX is low (+/- 0.50 with a cylindrical power close to 90 degrees) You can take a punt at around 62mm, which is about average for distance vision in an adult bio-male, or 60mm for bio-female.

If you have any questions at all, I'm more than glad to help.

Tijuana Bibliophile
Dec 30, 2008

Scratchmo

Convex posted:

Well yes, old people do not like change :v:

regression is change.

change we can believe in.

a pipe smoking dog
Jan 25, 2010

"haha, dogs can't smoke!"
Thanks for all the glasses advice. I've got a massive head so I was genuinely concerned that if I just guessed it I'd end up with a comically small pair of glasses.

I'll get the missus to help me out later, and as my eyes aren't all that bad hopefully we'll get close enough that it shouldn't cause any problems.

crispix
Mar 28, 2015

Grand-Maman m'a raconté
(Les éditions des amitiés franco-québécoises)

Hello, dear
change these days young ones these days isn't like it was in my days them days good old days, we had good, proper change back then them days :bahgawd:

Xaerael
Aug 25, 2010

Marching Powder is objectively the worst poster known. He also needs to learn how a keyboard works.

a pipe smoking dog posted:

Thanks for all the glasses advice. I've got a massive head so I was genuinely concerned that if I just guessed it I'd end up with a comically small pair of glasses.

I'll get the missus to help me out later, and as my eyes aren't all that bad hopefully we'll get close enough that it shouldn't cause any problems.

As long as you're not exceeding +/-1.50 in either eye along the 180 axis (Horizontal), the prismatic effect of being a few mm out really isn't that bad. You might get occasional headaches from wearing if you're way out, or a little bit of double vision because you're essentially wearing lenses with prisms. The closer to correct, the better, though.

I would say that getting a full check up, etc once things go back to normal (lol) should be near the top of your priorities.

Fun science fact: one of the ways to correct inward or outward turning eyes in kids is to deliberately prescribe lenses with prisms counter to the direction of their eyes. That forces the still-young muscles to over-work, and eventually naturally corrects the problem.

Gort
Aug 18, 2003

Good day what ho cup of tea

crispix posted:

change these days young ones these days isn't like it was in my days them days good old days, we had good, proper change back then them days :bahgawd:

Anything that is in the world when you’re born is normal and ordinary and is just a natural part of the way the world works.

Anything that's invented between when you’re fifteen and thirty-five is new and exciting and revolutionary and you can probably get a career in it.

Anything invented after you're thirty-five is against the natural order of things.

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal
Young people have undisciplined eye muscles nowadays from looking at the reddits instead of unshielded lathe equipment. :mad:

Xaerael
Aug 25, 2010

Marching Powder is objectively the worst poster known. He also needs to learn how a keyboard works.

Guavanaut posted:

Young people have undisciplined eye muscles nowadays from looking at the reddits instead of unshielded lathe equipment. :mad:

You probably wouldn't be surprised, but young kids (4-6) who are glued to screens all day rather than having varied activities have some really hosed up eyes by the time they're teens.

peanut-
Feb 17, 2004
Fun Shoe

Gort posted:

Anything invented after you're thirty-five is against the natural order of things.

This is why I will be refusing the covid vaccine.

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012
https://twitter.com/shirleymush/status/1357245641680953346?s=21

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

Corgis love bread. And Puro



Of course.

Communist Thoughts
Jan 7, 2008

Our war against free speech cannot end until we silence this bronze beast!



Whoa the guy whose job was to cover things up might have helped cover some stuff up

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal
Police state labour leader whose job it is to do police states attacked by liberal publication whose job it is to undermine labour leaders, it's like two nonces brawling in a waste lagoon.

Bobby Deluxe
May 9, 2004

peanut- posted:

Genuinely why are we opening a coal mine. Is it profitable?

How have we ended up at a political moment where the Tories are pressing for the reopening of coal mines.
They are pretty much doing the 70s in reverse to own Labour.

I grew up in the North East and there are still a LOT of gammons who think if you opened up the pits again then all of the communities that had the heart ripped out of them by Thatcher would magically heal themselves overnight. Same for a lot of historically coal-reliant areas like parts of Wales. The kind of people Boris is targetting will lap this up.

When Blair hosed the party's working class roots out of the window it enabled Cameron to come along with a two tier party identity for the conservatives - a public facing identity of being 'the party of hard working people' with a substantial wink to their business / turbowealthy donors.

Things like this, the coal mines, the red wall stuff is just trying to capture the vacated working class roots of the Labour party. Thanks to Keith, it's working.

And on the flip side you have a Labour party which is so utterly devoid of [zizek]ideology[/zizek] and is propped up by (probably tory) focus groups, and desperately trying to work out if it should throw flags or immigrants at the oncoming train.

It's like playing Civ on easy and realising your opponent's entire army is engaged in a bunch of border skirmishes, so you march in and take their capital leaving them scattered.

There was a brief :flaccid: of some kind of Lab Dem fightback when keith threw a bone to the unions over British Gas, but doubtlessly the focus groups shouted at him until he went back to flagwanking.

Love to pay what would be a month's rent elsewhere ten years ago to be killed by a falling bed.

Jamie, if you're listening I am ordering 7 Normal Island tees and intend to just rotate them daily from now on.

sinky
Feb 22, 2011



Slippery Tilde

quote:

Rose concluded that the Ratcliffe case was a one-off. Starmer accepted Rose’s conclusion and said there was no need therefore to examine other prosecutions to see if other activists had been wrongly convicted.

I'm sure the secret team of infiltrators that lied to secure convictions only did it once.

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Bobby Deluxe
May 9, 2004

Also on behalf of my wife who would be screaming at the screen if she could read this, do not for the love of god do your own PD. Don't do it. Don't guess, don't get an untrained person to do it, just don't. You'll give yourself headaches and eye strain (especially if you regularly look at any kind of screen), and it fucks with a lot of complex prescriptions.

If you absolutely insist on ordering glasses online, do this (although your optician will hate you, especially if they're non-chain because most opticians lose money on tests knowing they can make it back selling frames):

Xaerael posted:

Option 1) Contact your Opticians and request the information. They should have it recorded, and they have to release it as it's part of your personal data.

Also gently caress Luxottica while we're on the subject.

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