Davros1 posted:

You should join us every Weds in the Punch Suplex Pin portion of the board for the Dynamite live posting thread!

Cartridgeblowers posted:

That's your warning. You can discuss Snyder without being assholes.

SonicRulez posted:

This feels like The Dark Knight's Mr. Reese being The Riddler.


I never even thought to find the pro graps section of Something Awful. I'm there!

site posted:

I don't know much about Martian manhunter besides supergirl s1, what is the significance of the green classified sign

Aphrodite posted:

Yeah, that's about it.

It's just such a weird thing that if someone did come out and say it was an easter egg I'd believe it. What purpose does an LED display on a wall saying Classified even serve?

site posted:

Once upon a time I had intended to watch superman and JLU but I got bored of superman pretty quickly and abandoned the project lol

Codependent Poster posted:

Justice League and JLU are worth watching. Superman is uneven but it's got some really high points. They're worth going through.

Zachack posted:

It's a nod to the NBCs The Blacklist Universe (NBCBUSVU). The Blacklist stars James Spader , best known for his role as Ultron in The Avenger Age of Ultron, as a highly classified source of information. Of course, in The Blacklist Spaders character is Red Redington, so the sign being in green is a subtle nod that BvS is in an alternate time line. The DCU and MCU are both incorporated into the NBCBUSVU, which also incorporates TLU and the HBOTU via L&O.

Codependent Poster posted:

Justice League and JLU are worth watching. Superman is uneven but it's got some really high points. They're worth going through.

howe_sam posted:

The Late Mr. Kent is one of my favorite Superman stories ever.

site posted:

Once upon a time I had intended to watch superman and JLU but I got bored of superman pretty quickly and abandoned the project lol

Gaz-L posted:

To the pro Snyder folks, can I ask what some of your other favourite portrayals of these characters are? Comic arcs, for instance, because I feel like there's a fundamental disconnect between the two sides of this argument over what even a good use of these creations is.

Zachack posted:

It's a nod to the NBCs The Blacklist Universe (NBCBUSVU). The Blacklist stars James Spader , best known for his role as Ultron in The Avenger Age of Ultron, as a highly classified source of information. Of course, in The Blacklist Spaders character is Red Redington, so the sign being in green is a subtle nod that BvS is in an alternate time line. The DCU and MCU are both incorporated into the NBCBUSVU, which also incorporates TLU and the HBOTU via L&O.

bushisms.txt posted:

Spider-Man, my second favorite character has only been done right in The amazing spider-man franchise, and yet they're hated because he's too comic book accurate, Peter park was only not "cool" before the bite.

bushisms.txt posted:

Sorry, lurker, here.

I feel like this is a really disengenous question, and frankly I think the discussion about character interpretations to screen only matters to a point. A movies baggage is only as long as it's credits, anything outside the film, especially from other media really doesn't matter. Just like Donner, Burton, and Nolan Snyder started a new franchise, so leveraging how good something is based on the tone and themes of its predecessors is inane.

My favorite comic book arc of all time is Planet Hulk to World War Hulk, and not only does the MCU mangle and twist this to suit other characters, it's too the detriment of Bruce, who essentially becomes their pet weapon.

Spider-Man, my second favorite character has only been done right in The amazing spider-man franchise, and yet they're hated because he's too comic book accurate, Peter park was only not "cool" before the bite. Raimi took away the webshooters and his intellect, reducing him to a brute that's handed victories from the villains, Doc Ock's mistreatment still being my biggest cinematic disappointment. Doc Ock is savage and tenacious, but they make him job to Peter, after showing his arms act independent of him. Then he kills himself after apologizing, talk about character assassination. And it's hailed as the greatest comic-book film still by some.

If you've read the comic books, you'd know all the teeth is in the events, hell a lot of comic books get by on edge, what's the black king event right now doing? But there's no edge in Snyder's vision. He's showing how a mythical being would rock the boat in our cynical world. Pa Kent told him to hide and yet he chooses a lovely nomadic life to help people. Then he hunts and turns a crazy rich rear end in a top hat who's beating and torturing poor people whenever he wants, into fighting the actual bad guys(unfettered capitalism).

But with the MCU, they take out the teeth of things. Look at iron man 2, remember when we were excited it was gonna be the demon in a bottle arc, then they handled it in like 5 minutes? And they minimize the body count so much all of the new shots in civil War had me thinking the twist was going to be they joined forces when they find out it's all faked, but nope. Stark is the villain of the franchise, like he's the cause of most everything, least up to civil war, yet he still gets to be a hero after his death. In the comics there'd be a lot more work done to get to that point, including clones and a ton more magic, hell they could've adopted how they handled Richard Reed in the comics, but with their philosophy, no.

I'm not a "Snyder fan", I'm a fan of good movies. My current favorite MCU film is Captain marvel, loved it's take on girl power more than WW, i and it has the single most dynamic shot in the entire franchise.



I think the SnyderCut is a good thing for everyone. It's insane to me that some people were actually saying that the suits saw how bad it was so that's why they started making him change things, but in doing so they're saying the suits are right about art, which isn't ever really the case. Now studios blunders can be rolled back, does anyone want to live with that OG Suicide squad? It was an objective mess and now there's a chance another creative gets his vision seen. And maybe more after that.

Yes there's a portion of his fans who are toxic, but not only does that apply to every other fandom, no other fandom was getting gaslit like they were. Yeah I said it, gas lit. You have half the internet saying it's bad and that anyone who likes it is an idiot, then you have a quarter of that who take it even further and call them and Snyder fascists and more based on YouTubers. I say YouTubers because the films don't ever support any claims they make. They'll pay a clip of the villain saying something then turn to camera and be like, that's what Snyder believes. Ironically they're using fascist rhetoric, Snyder is both a dumb surfer bro who has no clue about anything and everything good he does is an accident, but at the same time, he's able to weave randian objectivism into his films.

I'm just excited to see him finish the trilogy, which is crazy because I was one of the people saying the whole thing was dumb, including battfleck, on this hellsite back in the day, though I think a proper MoS2 wouldn't have hurt. I usually just type something, delete it and move on, but as we get closer to endgame, it's getting harder not to let it get to me, so please scroll on, sorry for the interruption.

A talking coyote posted:

Roth posted:

Oh yeah? Well, I'm not going to look at your funny image macro, so there!

Roth posted:

bushisms.txt posted:

I know this is tongue in cheek, but I see it posted a lot of places, but not much chatter over Peter being gifted a drone satellite.

Aphrodite posted:

That's hard to make into a gif.

Aphrodite posted:

That's hard to make into a gif.

A talking coyote posted:

I don’t really feel like digging that far back into the thread but most of the people here were pointing out how hosed up it was to give a teenager a spy/killbot army. Also how hosed up it was that Stark had even built it in the first place.


This is the better answer though.

BrianWilly posted:

Tony Stark comes across as irresponsible and callous in the Spider-Man films, but Peter Parker himself comes across fine. He's ultimately a child, not even old enough to have a driver's license yet, who's constantly manipulated by skeevy adults who don't necessarily have his best interests at heart, and has to constantly rise to the challenges this presents. It's a coming-of-age story in fast forward but also in slow motion; we relate with Peter in this because we all know what growing up is like.

It's not my favorite iteration of Peter ever, and I roll eyes at people who think this meely-mouthed kid is somehow "more like" the comics book Peter -- a Spider-Man with unshakeable convictions, who regularly stares down Daredevil and smack talks Wolverine -- but there's nothing particularly objectionable about the character himself, and anything I don't love about him is blunted by the notion that he's a younger version who's "supposed to" eventually grow into the man that I do love. ()

Karloff posted:

I'd say they undermine it with utter contempt. Spider-Man is typically motivated by guilt and responsibility

bushisms.txt posted:

I think this says more than the rest of what you wrote. You cite this as the only way for Spider-man to be a hero is through guilt when TASM rightfully recognizes that the core concept is about responsibility of ones actions. Cpt. Stacy says as much. I don't follow the torture and bullying claims. And "stalking" loved ones is a comic hero staple. It's interesting that all this is only really discussed and amplified for things that are sins against the zeitgeist. Don't forget the hate started when they dropped raimi and calls of cash grab began, as if they weren't gonna make a movie already. From there, folks have made any excuse for why they HAVE to be bad.

The bolded goes hand in hand with this and is the Fascists rhetoric I mentioned. You put intentions on the films from your perceived bias, not from anything the film says. Snyder is said to hate the characters and not knowing anything about them at the same time. Then it's pushed that it's a given they're trash because the spiteful idiots made the movie. And the cycle continues.

Karloff posted:

I think you're trying to walk backwards into the idea that the objective reality of the films are that they are great, so that any negative opinion must be fake or caused entirely by bias, but this is a flawed way of looking at it.

bushisms.txt posted:

I think the SnyderCut is a good thing for everyone. It's insane to me that some people were actually saying that the suits saw how bad it was so that's why they started making him change things, but in doing so they're saying the suits are right about art, which isn't ever really the case. Now studios blunders can be rolled back, does anyone want to live with that OG Suicide squad? It was an objective mess and now there's a chance another creative gets his vision seen. And maybe more after that.

bushisms.txt posted:

I don't believe this at all, which tracks with what I said about the MCU. Suicide Squad is objectively bad because the editing was done by folks who think in 2 minute beats, ww84 is tetering on hate crime. But I do believe that the zeitgeist is wrong about a lot of films being bad, see speed racer. Because while art is subjective, your bias tinged opinions dont translate to fact, but since a lot of our generation are now in the film "press corp" it's easy to beat the drum for what's bad. I saw someone in here saying the R was bad because kids can't see it, which is funny to me, because back in Texas the local newspaper critic rated Batman begins lower than fantastic four because it wasn't for the kids and that was when I realized critics could be wrong and I could disagree with them.