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It's not a word you would generally use as a verb, when was the last time you said quizzed outside of a news story? None of the words are technically incorrect but used together they form a particular cant unique to the british press.
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Miftan posted:That's super interesting, thanks. I was taught in high school that the reason the German invasion of France went so well is that they built the Maginot line, patted themselves on the back, and then were completely blindsided when the Germans just ignored it and invaded through the Netherlands/Belgium. I haven't had any reason to ever apply even the smallest amount of critical thinking to the subject so it's just something that has sat in the back of my brain for over a decade for absolutely no reason, despite it being really really loving stupid. Obviously the French would notice if the Germans invaded Belgium/the Netherlands, and people in the 30s weren't much dumber than they are today, they definitely would have prepared for that. The Belgians had their own defensive fortifications, not quite as good as the Maginot Line, but still something that would have stopped most armies in their tracks. Unfortunately someone went and invented the shaped charge and they were taken out in one night by a handful of paratroopers. It was this that panicked the Allies into really throwing everything they had in the way of the diversionary attack, because nobody had expected the Germans to get into Belgium quite so easily, it had been assumed they'd have a week or two of taking potshots at them from the fortress before they'd actually have to fight. It's a pretty classic example of trying to fight the last war, despite the Germans clearly telegraphing in Spain and in Poland that they weren't playing that game any more - the Allies assumed that they were still fighting an army that moved at walking pace. I've always thought the popular perception of the Battle of France was arse-covering by the British - it's easier to just call the French a bunch of cheese-eating surrender monkeys than face up to the woeful leadership and complete collapse of the BEF - but at the same time the French leadership really didn't help with that perception. As it became clear the Germans had completely wrong-footed them they sacked the general in charge of the defence and replaced him with Weygand, who cancelled the plan for a counterattack that would have probably smashed the Germans who were badly stretched by the rush to Calais, then spent three days in Paris visiting various dignitaries to be congratulated on his promotion, then decided to try a counter-attack against the German line that had had almost a week to reinforce itself. When this failed, there were basically only two divisions between the Germans and Paris, and the French basically had no choice but to surrender. Two things I will grudgingly concede - the southern French armies fought like bastards in that counterattack, and almost certainly gained enough time for Dunkirk to be evacuated, and the French weren't uniquely blindsided by the Ardennes because the Americans made the *exact same mistake* just 4 years later, completely ignoring the Ardennes and allowing a massive German counteroffensive (which, notably, was eventually turned back using an almost identical counterattack to the one Weyand had cancelled before going off to Paris to swan about a bit).
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# ? Feb 5, 2021 19:15 |
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Miftan posted:Wouldn't surprise me. The UK probably had a few of those as well, not to mention the 'Actually the nazis are pretty great' crowd, so roughly the same as today as well. The Daily Mail does indeed still exist.
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OwlFancier posted:It's not a word you would generally use as a verb, when was the last time you said quizzed outside of a news story? Pub quiz team names mostly.
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# ? Feb 5, 2021 19:16 |
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Bloodly posted:Hm? I didn't realize 'quiz' was somehow a poor word? Quiz in the sense of question (transitive verb). As in "top cop quizzed by leftie luvvies over cell romp"
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# ? Feb 5, 2021 19:20 |
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Miftan posted:That's super interesting, thanks. I was taught in high school that the reason the German invasion of France went so well is that they built the Maginot line, patted themselves on the back, and then were completely blindsided when the Germans just ignored it and invaded through the Netherlands/Belgium. I haven't had any reason to ever apply even the smallest amount of critical thinking to the subject so it's just something that has sat in the back of my brain for over a decade for absolutely no reason, despite it being really really loving stupid. Obviously the French would notice if the Germans invaded Belgium/the Netherlands, and people in the 30s weren't much dumber than they are today, they definitely would have prepared for that. Rather like the whole 'Cheese eating surrender monkeys/French Always Surrender' thing (based entirely on WW2 when, across European history, the French Army is probably the most successful and non-surrender-y fighting force of all) the 'the Germans just went around the Maginot Line, why didn't they just build it longer LOL' doesn't really look at the strategic view. The whole strategic aim of France in the 1920s and 30s was to Stop A War Happening On French Soil Ever Again. They weren't really keen on there being another European war at all, but they really didn't want several thousand square miles of France to be shelled into Hell-like desolation again while millions of French men were killed to try and kick out whoever the enemy was (almost certainly the Germans...). So they built the Maginot Line on the French/German border so no attack could come straight from Germany into the heart of France. It's blindingly obvious that the Unfortunately in 1936 the Germans remilitarised the Rhineland, and the lack of response from France (or anyone else) left Belgium feeling threatened and so King Leopold withdrew from the agreements with France and declared neutrality. This meant that French troops could not enter Belgium until a German invasion had already begun. By the time the French and German forces met, the Germans would be well to the west of the Meuse/Albert Canal lines, leaving the clash to come in the undefended (and not easily defendable) plains of Flanders. And that's a best-case scenario. At worst the Germans march into France before the French Army can properly deploy, leading to a horribly accurate recreation of WW1 but with modern weaponary. In the even the French Army and the BEF did manage to form a line within Belgium, not France, but to the west of the Meuse between Givet and Anvers. But then the Germans moved their tanks through the Ardennes Forest (disproving another assumption that had been vital to the French strategy - that the Ardennes was a huge bottleneck that was essentially impassable to mechanised forces), clipping the southern end of the French line and slipping between it and the north of the Maginot Line at Sedan. The rest is history.
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# ? Feb 5, 2021 19:21 |
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Josef bugman posted:It really does feel that for a lot of people in charge teh 90's never stopped. It's just the same old people in charge and refusing to change or grow in any way. More like the 80s. The wets have been purged or brought to heel, Maastricht is just a piece of paper, and there's more snow inside the front bench's houses than outside.
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# ? Feb 5, 2021 19:25 |
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Always liked this origin story about quiz:quote:James Daly was a theatre manager in Dublin in 1782. He once had a bet with a friend that he could introduce a new word into the English language in a day. He then chalked the word "Quiz" on the walls of the city. Daly won the bet, and a useful word came out of it - in terms of vocabulary AND Scrabble. And always associated 'luvvies' (and user content) with what Kermode and Mayo used to spend 80% of their film show talking about and not about films
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# ? Feb 5, 2021 19:35 |
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Iirc Stephen Fry likes the term luvvie and uses it for himself and others. And since he's pretty much the dictionary definition, then fair enough. It's definitely tabloid homo-taunting tho
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# ? Feb 5, 2021 19:54 |
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https://youtu.be/Xnh8pLKXJB4 Starmer is "apolitical" and has been calculating his path to the top job for years, according to Sienna Rodgers
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# ? Feb 5, 2021 20:23 |
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a political what?
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# ? Feb 5, 2021 20:28 |
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Would certainly explain his apparent terror of having to take a political stance on anything other than child annihilation and cop loving.
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OwlFancier posted:It's not a word you would generally use as a verb, when was the last time you said quizzed outside of a news story? Jaeluni Asjil fucked around with this message at 20:47 on Feb 5, 2021 |
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sebzilla posted:https://youtu.be/Xnh8pLKXJB4 the amount of absurd prvilege it takes to be LEADER OF A POLITICAL PARTY and consider yourself apolitical
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goddamnedtwisto posted:The Belgians had their own defensive fortifications, not quite as good as the Maginot Line, but still something that would have stopped most armies in their tracks. The fort was Eben Emael, only remember that place cause the paratroops landed their little gliders right on top of it. The French were so worried about their communications being tapped that orders were sent by couriers only, in an age when real time comms were a deal braker.
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# ? Feb 5, 2021 20:48 |
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Reject the fiction that centrist managerialism is apolitical.
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# ? Feb 5, 2021 20:48 |
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Oh yeah clearly he is political but believing yourself to be apolitical is entirely on brand with aversion to being seen to actively involve yourself in things that don't immediately interest you.
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# ? Feb 5, 2021 21:06 |
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Flattering to Keith to call him apolitical, he's clearly right leaning centrist with just the faint whiff of leftism to keep the party oiks onside. The guy's a less charismatic Tony Blair. Blair at least had some ideas, terrible blood soaked ideas, but ideas nonetheless.
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# ? Feb 5, 2021 21:07 |
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Just what people want, an apolitical QC with so little courage he doesn't even have bad ideas.
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# ? Feb 5, 2021 21:10 |
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Kieth's political beliefs are literally whatever he thinks will make people like him at the time. Hence why no fucker likes him. Anyone claiming to know what his actual, private beliefs are is clearly beholden to far more information about him than the general public.
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# ? Feb 5, 2021 21:12 |
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peanut- posted:Reject the fiction that centrist managerialism is apolitical. also that "ideology" is a thing that only left- and right-wingers have
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# ? Feb 5, 2021 21:14 |
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Ok which of you did this?quote:Lichcraft is a rules-light tabletop RPG set up to be played with 2 or more players. The play is inspired by Forged in the Dark systems, with a simple D6-pool resolution mechanic. Instead of choosing classes or players, characters begin by choosing their politics, hobby, day job, and magical source, and use attributes from these to add to their dice rolls.
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# ? Feb 5, 2021 21:16 |
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tbh I just continue to be blown away by how utterly useless Starmer actually is. When it looked like he'd take the leadership I was annoyed because I'd definitely rather have had Rebecca "Three day week and a four day bender" Bong-Daily and he won, so, fine, the membership has spoken, let's see what he can do. I feared that he'd have bad centrist takes and melt policies, I hoped he'd keep at least a few Corbyn policies that had been particularly popular, what I expected was somewhere in between. I genuinely didn't expect he would be so thoroughly useless in every single regard. I thought we'd be getting mad at him for not going far enough when he called for the government to do something, or suggesting some shite like "We must protect the NHS and ensure it is fully funded, but Labour also recognizes that there is an important role for private entities to play in delivering healthcare" or whatever. I honestly did not think he was going to just be "Exactly what the government suggests 20 minutes after Downing Street has announced it" on every. single. issue.
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Camrath posted:I am sad to report however that I’m currently not able to ship outside of the UK. I know there are several fudge fans on the mainland, and I’m deeply sorry that our government has hosed up your fudge supply. As soon as I find a solution, I will let you know Camrath's plan for land, sea, and air Fudgerunners to smuggle the vital fudge supplies to our friends outside the UK. [e]: Pesky Splinter fucked around with this message at 21:43 on Feb 5, 2021 |
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Communist Thoughts posted:sounds like race science to me m8 I mean... yeah? Just because people with calipers have interesting ideas about the inherent superiority of the Nordic Race, doesn't mean that there *aren't* actual genetic differences across populations that tend to track with the geographical origin of your ancestors. Tendency towards sickle-cell anaemia is as much an actual genetic characteristic as melanin production.
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# ? Feb 5, 2021 21:31 |
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Guavanaut posted:Ok which of you did this? Yeah it's amazing, I just wish I'd thought of it first. Though at least link the Kickstarter https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/laurieoconnel/lichcraft-an-rpg-about-trans-necromancers Rumda fucked around with this message at 21:41 on Feb 5, 2021 |
# ? Feb 5, 2021 21:34 |
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Re: Starmer, I just read a Marina Hyde article (yeah, I know) where she plausibly argues that, much as we tell our GP that we only drink 14 units a week (then get shitfaced), we tell pollsters that we want bland, managerial, centrist politicians (then go out and vote for energetic politicians who'll do fun, exciting stuff and keep us entertained). Starmer's incessant avoidance of risk bores the electorate to death and he'd honestly do better if he found a few good controversies and leapt into them with his fists swinging.
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# ? Feb 5, 2021 21:43 |
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The papers get to decide if something is a controversy or not. They could start with him insisting on schools being open in a pandemic and then maybe move on to him being OK with undercover cops doing murders and rape. Or does she mean a real controversy like which genitals get to go in which bathroom
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# ? Feb 5, 2021 21:48 |
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I have ordered some fudge and I cannot WAIT for it to arrive.
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# ? Feb 5, 2021 21:49 |
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Fudge ordered, and I eagerly await the day I can reorder Irish Cream and Whiskey & Ginger, which were so delicious that I did that thing they do in adverts where they put a piece of food in their mouth and just close their eyes and drift into a semi-orgasmic trance.
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Ms Adequate posted:tbh I just continue to be blown away by how utterly useless Starmer actually is. When it looked like he'd take the leadership I was annoyed because I'd definitely rather have had Rebecca "Three day week and a four day bender" Bong-Daily and he won, so, fine, the membership has spoken, let's see what he can do. I feared that he'd have bad centrist takes and melt policies, I hoped he'd keep at least a few Corbyn policies that had been particularly popular, what I expected was somewhere in between. I'm not saying Starmer is an op but if you were in MI5 trying to uphold power for the establishment, and Starmer was your man, what would you have him do differently? I'm struggling to think of anything.
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# ? Feb 5, 2021 22:09 |
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Not be quite so obvious.
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# ? Feb 5, 2021 22:14 |
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Ms Adequate posted:tbh I just continue to be blown away by how utterly useless Starmer actually is. When it looked like he'd take the leadership I was annoyed because I'd definitely rather have had Rebecca "Three day week and a four day bender" Bong-Daily and he won, so, fine, the membership has spoken, let's see what he can do. I feared that he'd have bad centrist takes and melt policies, I hoped he'd keep at least a few Corbyn policies that had been particularly popular, what I expected was somewhere in between. I thought that, at worst he'd be another Ed Miliband in terms of policy, and that I'd probably end up thinking "It's annoying how far to the right he's gone but before Corbyn I'd probably be all over this platform since I had never known anything better!" But he's not only worse from a policy perspective (judging from the few times when he has actually stated a position on something) but he's just useless at even playing the political game. Worse than JC, and he wasn't very good at it and had the entire media out to get him.
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BalloonFish posted:
starmer should be deputy head of accounting at bae, or if he must do public service he could be a principal private secretary of some extremely boring department
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# ? Feb 5, 2021 22:45 |
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https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/1357083184039616515
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# ? Feb 5, 2021 22:59 |
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suck my woke dick posted:starmer should be deputy head of accounting at bae Well he'll need to win a general election first
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# ? Feb 5, 2021 23:06 |
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well it might be ok in the summer but gosh I wouldn't want to blast them in the winter. Brr
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# ? Feb 5, 2021 23:12 |
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Rishi Sunak as Mac from It's always sunny.
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goddamnedtwisto posted:I mean... yeah? Just because people with calipers have interesting ideas about the inherent superiority of the Nordic Race, doesn't mean that there *aren't* actual genetic differences across populations that tend to track with the geographical origin of your ancestors. Tendency towards sickle-cell anaemia is as much an actual genetic characteristic as melanin production. I had this problem teaching student healthcare staff about putting on tourniquets for limb surgery. Explaining that you need to check for a sickle cell test for people who are not white and be cautious ended up with me sitting in a managers office last month with some one from HR present.
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That's the problem with broad 'race' based analyses, you call sickle cell a 'black' condition and you end up misdiagnosing Turks, Greeks, and other non-Africans with it, and wasting time running tests on Zulus who are less likely to have sickle cell than an average person picked from the street in Carmarthen. Unless you know that the vast majority of your black presenting population is from the Congo or Niger delta region (as it is in Jamaica and the American South for reasons) you're better off asking what language they speak at home than going by skin melanation.
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