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So a thought occurs to me: how the gently caress are the Sokovia Accords not repealed, or at the very least, dead-letter law? The renegade Avengers were operating openly as a world peacekeeping force for the five years between the Snap and the Blip out of Avengers Complex and nobody seemed to have a problem with that. Like, seriously, what the gently caress is SWORD guy going on about? You have a problem with Wanda running around but not Natasha Romanov having multiple international and intergalactic forces reporting to her? Does that make sense to anyone?
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CapnAndy posted:So a thought occurs to me: how the gently caress are the Sokovia Accords not repealed, or at the very least, dead-letter law? The renegade Avengers were operating openly as a world peacekeeping force for the five years between the Snap and the Blip out of Avengers Complex and nobody seemed to have a problem with that. Yeah this was a little weird to me. The natural assumption following Endgame was that the Accords were donezo.
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Feb 7, 2021 04:27
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I figured that enforcing the accords was just bumped down the priorities list after the snap or the active Avengers during the blip were all registered.
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Feb 7, 2021 04:43
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I'm going to be really disappointed if you guys are right and Wanda isn't the prime mover behind this. If there's people nudging her in bad directions, fine. But so far this is a really great story about a person who has gone through horrible suffering reacting in an understandable but really bad way. If at the end it turns out that actually some new character you've never heard of before was behind it all, that would suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck. Not only would it make the story a lot worse, it would also suck for Wanda as a character. This is the first time that she is 100% in control of her own situation. To take it back just like "LOL no she's being played by some dude, again. That's Wanda's deal, bad things happen to her and she can't do anything about it, Wanda BTFO!" would be just the absolute worst.
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Feb 7, 2021 16:16
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I think it's better for Wanda's character if, like Vision posits, she was placed in a bad situation by an outside force and eventually became aware and started taking advantage. The alternative is that she descended on this random town to psychically torture a bunch of innocent people. In my mind this series doesn't intend to end on her being a major villain going forward. I could be wrong.
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Feb 7, 2021 16:28
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No. More. Avengers
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Gripweed posted:I'm going to be really disappointed if you guys are right and Wanda isn't the prime mover behind this. If there's people nudging her in bad directions, fine. But so far this is a really great story about a person who has gone through horrible suffering reacting in an understandable but really bad way. If at the end it turns out that actually some new character you've never heard of before was behind it all, that would suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck. I don’t think it will be a cop out if it turns out people nudged her down this road. I’m sure there’s going to be an eventual reckoning where all is revealed as to who is manipulating her and she has to decide whether to keep embracing her fantasy or painfully reject it. Considering the multiverse shenanigans coming up in the next Spider-Man and doctor strange movies it’s a legitimate mystery what she’s going to do. My latest theory is the town was full of witches (Agnes, that blonde lady from the second episode, etc) and she’s drawing upon them like batteries to bolster her own power. Maybe they are behind the initial fuckery but she turned out to be too powerful and took over.
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Feb 7, 2021 19:16
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With the infinity stones destroyed the power they held had to go somewhere. As she's powered by one, it went into Wanda, explaining her bump in power. That's one of my working theories.
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Feb 7, 2021 19:21
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Jagermonster posted:My latest theory is the town was full of witches (Agnes, that blonde lady from the second episode, etc) and she’s drawing upon them like batteries to bolster her own power. Maybe they are behind the initial fuckery but she turned out to be too powerful and took over. Sabrina and her aunts moved to jersey huh
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Feb 7, 2021 19:22
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Watch yourselves, spoilers for the next few episodes are abundant on reddit.
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Feb 7, 2021 19:22
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SonicRulez posted:I think it's better for Wanda's character if, like Vision posits, she was placed in a bad situation by an outside force and eventually became aware and started taking advantage. The alternative is that she descended on this random town to psychically torture a bunch of innocent people. In my mind this series doesn't intend to end on her being a major villain going forward. I could be wrong. That's not the alternative. Remember how they kept saying that Wanda doesn't have the power to do this. If the government thought that, then there's a good chance Wanda did too. Here's how it could've gone down so it's all Wanda's doing but she's not just a straight up villain Wanda finds out they're experimenting on Vision's body against his wishes. She breaks in to the lab, steals back Vision's body, and flees with it. Holding the dissected corpse of the last person she loved, she is at the absolute limit of grief, utterly devastated. She looks around and sees that her flight has taken her to this small suburban town. Wanda sees the little suburban houses with happy families inside, just like the American sitcoms she and Pietro used to watch back before their parents were killed, when they were happy. And she wants that happiness for herself. So to escape from her grief she creates the illusion of that happy world. But unbeknownst to her, she is for whatever reason far more powerful than she thinks. The illusion is real. Something she slowly comes to realize, just as she becomes more and more invested in staying in this happy family. And that is the conflict of the series, it's not Wanda vs Mephiston or Photon vs Neo-Hydra ft. Wanda or whatever, it's Wanda's desires vs Wanda's values. That is a much, much stronger show than "a devil did it"
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Feb 7, 2021 19:34
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I would like jimmy woo to stick around. I enjoy him like I enjoyed coulson.
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Feb 7, 2021 19:35
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Rhyno posted:Watch yourselves, spoilers for the next few episodes are abundant on reddit. the only major "spoiler" i'm seeing on there is a proven fake
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Feb 7, 2021 19:39
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Gripweed posted:I'm going to be really disappointed if you guys are right and Wanda isn't the prime mover behind this. If there's people nudging her in bad directions, fine. But so far this is a really great story about a person who has gone through horrible suffering reacting in an understandable but really bad way. If at the end it turns out that actually some new character you've never heard of before was behind it all, that would suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck. I'd agree except for the fact that she's gonna appear in more movies/series*, presumably as a hero, and it's super awkward to say "oh there's our hero the Scarlet Witch who imprisoned/tortured an innocent town of people for weeks, forcing them to perform hackneyed sitcom plots with her dead robo-boyfriend, all of her own free will." Like, superheroes, especially Marvel ones, are not saints (cough *STARK* cough) and even sometimes start as downright villains before turning face but for the most part they're supposed to stop doing hosed up poo poo after they become heroes. Also, I re-watched Endgame the other day (it was like 5 hours on cable, yeesh) and there's a scene after Tony's funeral where Wanda and Hawkeye mourn Vision and Black Widow** and like, yeah that one scene is not going through all stages of grief instantly and they're all better, and Wanda's romantic love for Vision is different than Clint's platonic love for Nat, and everyone does process grief differently, but what's uncomfortable is that Clint's getting a D+ series where he's training a new Hawkeye (and since they say they're pulling from the Fraction run, he may be kind of a goofball) and meanwhile Wanda's getting a D+ series where people talk about how they're actively in pain when Wanda's controlling them. It is a disparity that I'm not comfortable with. *that said if this were a series/franchise wrap on Wanda, then yeah gently caress it, let's go nuts. **I had forgotten how loving goofy Clint's hair was in Endgame and I really want to know who thought that was a good idea and just ask "Why"
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Feb 7, 2021 19:59
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FoneBone posted:the only major "spoiler" i'm seeing on there is a proven fake People ate posting poo poo in FB groups, I saw a screen cap that was not from the last episode so I bailed out.
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Feb 7, 2021 20:01
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Rhyno posted:People ate posting poo poo in FB groups, I saw a screen cap that was not from the last episode so I bailed out. yeah i'm also forgetting that there were a few very brief but pretty spoilery (and definitely not fake) clips that leaked a week or so ago, was looking for "new" spoilers no i'm not saying poo poo here
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Feb 7, 2021 20:05
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TwoPair posted:I'd agree except for the fact that she's gonna appear in more movies/series*, presumably as a hero, and it's super awkward to say "oh there's our hero the Scarlet Witch who imprisoned/tortured an innocent town of people for weeks, forcing them to perform hackneyed sitcom plots with her dead robo-boyfriend, all of her own free will." Like, superheroes, especially Marvel ones, are not saints (cough *STARK* cough) and even sometimes start as downright villains before turning face but for the most part they're supposed to stop doing hosed up poo poo after they become heroes. The thing is that endgame literally opened with hawkeye doing awful poo poo because of his grief and the movie is his...well, I hesitate to use the word redemption but he has a chance to come back from that, leading to where he will be in the upcoming show. Wanda was gone in the snap and hasn't been a serial killer for the intervening five years to come back from yet
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Feb 7, 2021 20:07
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Rhyno posted:Watch yourselves, spoilers for the next few episodes are abundant on reddit. without saying too much about the details (obviously), there were about 30 seconds of potato-quality footage from upcoming episodes that leaked last week, most of which appeared to be from episode 6 but was edited in an odd way that made me think it was taken from the "previously on WandaVision" recap at the beginning of Episode 7. I haven't seen any other leaks that strike me as credible tbh, and while the leaked footage did imply that Evan Peters' Pietro is going in a particular direction,, I wouldn't say it revealed that much if you've seen episode 5. one of the "leaks" was an image of Daniel Craig as Magneto, which has been confirmed fake Barry Convex fucked around with this message at 20:29 on Feb 7, 2021 |
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Feb 7, 2021 20:27
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Paul Bettany says there's a cameo from a great actor he's been dying to work with and the internet's response is Daniel Craig? VVVVV I just assumed he was talking about someone who wasn't a contemporary like Craig but who knows maybe he was talking about Evan Peters because he's a huge American Horror Story fan or something. Sgt. Politeness fucked around with this message at 21:23 on Feb 7, 2021 |
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Feb 7, 2021 20:58
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Sgt. Politeness posted:Paul Bettany says there's a cameo from a great actor he's been dying to work with and the internet's response is Daniel Craig? I mean, Marvel has had a bunch of great actors that only do 1 or 2 movies, so I could see a Craig cameo. But I can't imagine he really wants to do another franchise thing this soon after Bond.
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Sgt. Politeness posted:Paul Bettany says there's a cameo from a great actor he's been dying to work with and the internet's response is Daniel Craig? From the context of the whole interview he was pretty clearly talking about Gaten Matarazzo
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fyi, here are a couple of the "leaks," for your amusement: Magneto and Mephisto https://twitter.com/MarvelSheriff/status/1358434945824403458 https://twitter.com/fanvaxvol2/status/1358444928548954113
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Feb 7, 2021 21:49
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People thought that Mephisto screen was real?
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Feb 7, 2021 21:52
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oh, right - in addition to the 30 seconds or so of mostly-probably-E6 footage I mentioned above, one of the fake commercials for an upcoming episode also leaked. shouldn't say any more than that EDIT: nm, actually, I'm not sure if that was real
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Vince MechMahon posted:With the infinity stones destroyed the power they held had to go somewhere. As she's powered by one, it went into Wanda, explaining her bump in power. That's one of my working theories. She was busy fertilizing plants in Wakanda when that happened though
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Barry Convex posted:oh, right - in addition to the 30 seconds or so of mostly-probably-E6 footage I mentioned above, one of the fake commercials for an upcoming episode also leaked. shouldn't say any more than that https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TtUaAZbJSzc&feature=emb_logo (this isn't real, by the way) Codependent Poster fucked around with this message at 22:48 on Feb 7, 2021 |
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I want the “spell” “hex” whatever to lift and it’s just wanda and a handful of terrified hostages sat in a room and she’s ventriloquist dummying Visions upper torso robocop style. And visions wearing silly shades and a blonde wig.
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Feb 7, 2021 22:23
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Could you at least put the leaked poo poo behind spoilers jfc
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Feb 7, 2021 22:26
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site posted:Could you at least put the leaked poo poo behind spoilers jfc It's not a real leak. I wouldn't post anything real without spoilers!
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Feb 7, 2021 22:44
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Gripweed posted:That's not the alternative. Remember how they kept saying that Wanda doesn't have the power to do this. If the government thought that, then there's a good chance Wanda did too. Here's how it could've gone down so it's all Wanda's doing but she's not just a straight up villain I guess I don't see how what you posit is different from what I said. Grief or not, it is still Wanda descending on a town and psychically torturing them. Because even if you are of the mind Wanda wasn't aware of the limits of her power, Vision told her explicitly the people under her control are screaming in pain. It didn't stop her. Plus we've seen her powers work before. Her ability to compel people and mess with their minds. She did it to The Avengers back when she was a heel. So she would at least understand that the ability to make wacky neighbors behave how she wants is within her ability. I think she seemed to genuinely not believe in the scope of that power, but even that could have been just words to de-escalate Vision. Like it'd be one thing if she were in an empty field thinking she was crafting an illusion when instead she wholesale created a town and people and other matter by altering reality. But in your idea she still knowingly descended on people and opted to ruin their lives. I understand that centering the story on a conflict within Wanda she needs to come to terms with is a good idea, but I don't think that fits this show or does a good job of keeping this character available to be a hero going forward. Or even just within this TV show. Takes away her agency a bit too if it's just an accident she started and decided not to stop.
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SonicRulez posted:I guess I don't see how what you posit is different from what I said. Grief or not, it is still Wanda descending on a town and psychically torturing them. Because even if you are of the mind Wanda wasn't aware of the limits of her power, Vision told her explicitly the people under her control are screaming in pain. It didn't stop her. Plus we've seen her powers work before. Her ability to compel people and mess with their minds. She did it to The Avengers back when she was a heel. So she would at least understand that the ability to make wacky neighbors behave how she wants is within her ability. I think she seemed to genuinely not believe in the scope of that power, but even that could have been just words to de-escalate Vision. Like it'd be one thing if she were in an empty field thinking she was crafting an illusion when instead she wholesale created a town and people and other matter by altering reality. But in your idea she still knowingly descended on people and opted to ruin their lives. In my idea she didn't knowingly descend on people and opt to ruin their lives, she ruined their lives by accident and is now struggling with the conflict between her desire not to hurt people and her desire to stay in the happy world she has created. And quite frankly I don't give a poo poo if she's available to be a hero. I'm totally fine with her straight up becoming a villain. This is a much better story if it's entirely about Wanda. People are speculating about Agnes, what I would like is if Agnes is just some lady in the town who also prefers the sitcom world to reality. Like, maybe her family died too and that's why we've never seen her oft-mentioned husband. That's why she wants to keep the world going, and why she was so interested in Wanda potentially being able to bring back the dead. She's enabling Wanda because she understands what Wanda went through. Wouldn't that be much better than "it turns out she's Mephiston"?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IWBsDaFWyTE
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New Falcon/Winter Soldier trailer https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IWBsDaFWyTE E:f;b lol
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Man, they're really not giving anything away huh? I guess that's good.
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Gripweed posted:In my idea she didn't knowingly descend on people and opt to ruin their lives, she ruined their lives by accident and is now struggling with the conflict between her desire not to hurt people and her desire to stay in the happy world she has created. And quite frankly I don't give a poo poo if she's available to be a hero. I'm totally fine with her straight up becoming a villain. This is a much better story if it's entirely about Wanda. But what I'm saying is it doesn't make any sense for Wanda to believe a large scale illusion centered in a town would not affect anyone around her given she knows how her powers work. It had to be a conscious decision. To what degree that affects the character is subjective of course, but it's straight up incongruous with Wanda in the MCU for her to start an illusion that becomes too real on accident. Because she would know she did not create these people. Nobody thinks Agnes is Mephisto, but to the heart of your question I guess my answer is "nah not really". It's super interesting for me to imagine a villain is aware of Wanda's powers being functionally limitless and putting her in a position where they can use her grief to test and abuse those limitations.
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SonicRulez posted:But what I'm saying is it doesn't make any sense for Wanda to believe a large scale illusion centered in a town would not affect anyone around her given she knows how her powers work. It had to be a conscious decision. To what degree that affects the character is subjective of course, but it's straight up incongruous with Wanda in the MCU for her to start an illusion that becomes too real on accident. Because she would know she did not create these people. MCU Wanda couldn't create a town-wide anything! That's the whole point, she is doing stuff that she probably didn't know she could do! In the MCU up to this point, Wanda has been able to do her energy blast stuff and mess with a single person's mind by doing magic hands on them. She has never been shown to be able to mind control an entire town while creating a completely realistic illusion of that town at the same time. As the characters said in the show, that is far beyond any power she has ever demonstrated. So it makes no sense for her to have done it intentionally because how could she even know she could do it? And if she did it on accident, then it makes perfect sense that she wouldn't know what was going on at first because she didn't know it was possible for her to do it! SonicRulez posted:Nobody thinks Agnes is Mephisto, but to the heart of your question I guess my answer is "nah not really". It's super interesting for me to imagine a villain is aware of Wanda's powers being functionally limitless and putting her in a position where they can use her grief to test and abuse those limitations. That's not interesting, that sucks. Then all she has to do is beat the bad guy. And it means that all the terrible things she did to the townspeople are forgiven because actually a bad guy did it. It would retroactively make the show up to this point bad, because this has all just been faffing around until Wanda beats the bad guy.
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Gripweed posted:And it means that all the terrible things she did to the townspeople are forgiven because actually a bad guy did it. This hasn't stopped 15 years of comics so a big lol to that
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Feb 8, 2021 02:26
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Can't believe Daniel Craig is magneto in wandavision
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I agree this show has been solid enough that they could tackle this topic well, but even saying that, I'm actually okay if less women went crazy and threatened a bunch of innocent people on TV. Or like, anywhere else. Moreover, speculation based on existing trailer footage: There was a December trailer where Wanda (in modern attire) says to Vision, "This is our home," to which he responds (in full CGI) "Then let's fight for it" which -- assuming the exchange hasn't been edited specifically to mislead us (which is possible! Some lines in that trailer are either definitely misleading or flat-out missing from the actual episodes we've seen) -- seems to suggest that both of them will end up doing something heroic, protecting the town from something or another. Basically it might be good to set the proper expectations going forward
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Mr Hootington posted:Can't believe Daniel Craig is magneto in wandavision As long as they cast Alan Tudyk as Mojo I’ll be ecstatic.
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