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Greg12
Apr 22, 2020
lol

local government reporters not knowing that a school district is a separate government from whatever cities or counties it serves

it's Your Fourth Estate, people. Democracy dies in darkness!

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redreader
Nov 2, 2009

I am the coolest person ever with my pirate chalice. Seriously.

Dinosaur Gum
I've got a friend who insists that if you go to a sleep study they will 100% tell you that you need a cpap, and he says it's a racket. I suppose there's some self-selection involved, but for instance I snore and I think I can live fine without a cpap.

Dr. Fraiser Chain
May 18, 2004

Redlining my shit posting machine


Sure you are used to living without one, but if you need one and you end up getting one you'll wonder how you functioned in the before times. I can't imagine living without it now for real

DeadFatDuckFat
Oct 29, 2012

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If you have other health conditions and you suspect that you might have sleep apnea, then its a really good idea to get checked. Sleep apnea can really gently caress you up if it goes untreated and you already have hypertension etc...

Truspeaker
Jan 28, 2009

Goodpancakes posted:

Sure you are used to living without one, but if you need one and you end up getting one you'll wonder how you functioned in the before times. I can't imagine living without it now for real

Thank you for phrasing this so concisely, I was trying real hard to find the words and it wasn't happening. This was basically exactly my experience, I dragged my feet for a while but hot drat, being able to take a 20 minute nap and not feel like I'm dying when I get up is such a treat.

Sundae
Dec 1, 2005

Kestral posted:

How does one go about getting a doctor to look in to sleep apnea, anyway? I've suspected for a while that I suffer from some form of it, and have a lot of the symptoms of a deviated septum, but I haven't been able to communicate that to my doctor in a way that will get him to take it seriously: I'm slim and reasonably fit, and he refuses to acknowledge that this can be a problem for anyone except obese alcoholics. I'm planning on switching docs after I'm vaccinated and feel safe spending extended periods in a waiting room again, and I'd like to bring this up in the first meeting.

This depends on your insurance and their referral requirements. For me, I spoke to my primary care doctor and explained that I was feeling more and more tired throughout the day, and that I occasionally woke up in the middle of the night gasping for air. I also explained that my wife said I'd started snoring where I never had before. She wrote up a referral for seeing a Sleep Medicine specialist, who met with me and recommended a sleep study. He sent in the request for a study to my insurance since it required pre-auth. It was approved, and I went into the office for an overnight study in a simulated bedroom with about ten million wires attached to me, a CPAP/APAP/BIPAP combined unit that changed modes intermittently throughout the night to test stuff, and a camera on my face tracking eye movement and filmed whether I was awake or asleep so they could review the data.

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but I haven't been able to communicate that to my doctor in a way that will get him to take it seriously: I'm slim and reasonably fit, and he refuses to acknowledge that this can be a problem for anyone except obese alcoholics

Change doctors. It's way more prevalent in obese people and alcoholics, yes, but plenty of people can have it for all sorts of reasons. SSRIs have a ton of published studies demonstrating that they can cause it in people, for example.

Kestral
Nov 24, 2000

Forum Veteran
Thank you all for the information, this could be literally life-changing. My suspicion is a deviated septum is involved: it's been years since I was able to take a deep breath through my nose without feeling resistance, for one thing, and I do wake up at least half a dozen times a night and experience bouts of fatigue every day. I'm going to pick up a pulse oximeter for overnight monitoring and start collecting data. Would something like this work for my purposes? I'm not entirely sure what's creating the gap between the $40, $70, and $170 tiers of devices showing upon Amazon.

Sundae posted:

Change doctors. It's way more prevalent in obese people and alcoholics, yes, but plenty of people can have it for all sorts of reasons. SSRIs have a ton of published studies demonstrating that they can cause it in people, for example.

God, I'd love to. Got transferred to my current one after the place I was going to closed, and I've never had a worse doctor. The guy is at least 80, and while that doesn't bother me in and of itself (my pediatrician was also an older gentleman and he was wonderful), this guy is clearly past caring about his patients and is just putting in the hours for some reason. I've gone to him three times to get something looked at or try for a referral, and each time my insurance has mailed me back saying they're denying coverage because this guy failed to carry out any of the diagnostic measures they would need to move forward. I started the process of transferring to a new doc, then had to abort that when I found out she'd been censured by a medical board for over-prescribing opiates :psyduck: Then the pandemic kicked off, I decided that spending a couple hours getting processed at a new office was a bad life decision, and here we are a year later.

Apologies for the rant, healthcare is just maddening.

Dr. Fraiser Chain
May 18, 2004

Redlining my shit posting machine


I used to nap absolutely every day before my CPAP. Hell, I'd do my dose of ritalin for ADD and then take a nap. Part of my brain felt like I shouldn't be asleep but couldn't stop it. I used to get a ton of poo poo from my parents because of how much I would always sleep growing up.

Now I almost never nap. The daytime sleepiness is totally gone. A+ would recommend

droll
Jan 9, 2020

by Azathoth

Kestral posted:

My suspicion is a deviated septum is involved: it's been years since I was able to take a deep breath through my nose without feeling resistance

We arent meant to feel resistance?

Kestral
Nov 24, 2000

Forum Veteran

droll posted:

We arent meant to feel resistance?

Not to the point where your nostrils visibly constrict the way mine do, from what I understand.

Hawkperson
Jun 20, 2003

oh. great.

https://twitter.com/SCOTUSblog/status/1357921935708020737

daily cases were just starting to go down in my area, too

BeAuMaN
Feb 18, 2014

I'M A LEAD FARMER, MOTHERFUCKER!

Hawkperson posted:

oh. great.

https://twitter.com/SCOTUSblog/status/1357921935708020737

daily cases were just starting to go down in my area, too

More info on that:
https://www.scotusblog.com/2021/02/divided-court-allows-indoor-worship-services-to-resume-in-california/

It's a follow up once again on Roman Catholic Diocese of Brooklyn v. Cuomo. It's late and I'm going to jam a couple games before I go to bed instead of reading the aforementioned opinions right now.

eSporks
Jun 10, 2011

Barrett's statement mentions the debate over wether the law is applied equally or not. ie does it ban singing universally, or does it allow some singing, like in hollywood.

Do they not get that a lot of hollywood is operating under bubbles with strict testing and quarantine requirements before showing up to a shoot?
AFAIK the unions have been really good about that.

I'd personally argue she's creating a false parallel and ignoring circumstance. If churches wanted to open under strict quarantine, let em sing.

I guess that's why both sides still have an opportunity to submit more evidence and the ruling isn't complete yet.

FilthyImp
Sep 30, 2002

Anime Deviant

eSporks posted:

Do they not get that a lot of hollywood is operating under bubbles with strict testing and quarantine requirements before showing up to a shoot?
Just for additional information, my worksite had a FilmLA thing happen in December.

The site foreman/production person came in before everyone else. They listed the sites they would be using (shoots, staging, food, etc), explained there was a check-in test/temp reading, and a post lunch test/temp reading, and asked that anyone on site that wasn't part of the production absolutely avoid contact to keep from contaminating them.

Film/TV really takes this poo poo seriously because it's several peoples' paychecks on the line.

Henrik Zetterberg
Dec 7, 2007

Kestral posted:

Thank you all for the information, this could be literally life-changing. My suspicion is a deviated septum is involved: it's been years since I was able to take a deep breath through my nose without feeling resistance, for one thing, and I do wake up at least half a dozen times a night and experience bouts of fatigue every day. I'm going to pick up a pulse oximeter for overnight monitoring and start collecting data. Would something like this work for my purposes? I'm not entirely sure what's creating the gap between the $40, $70, and $170 tiers of devices showing upon Amazon.


God, I'd love to. Got transferred to my current one after the place I was going to closed, and I've never had a worse doctor. The guy is at least 80, and while that doesn't bother me in and of itself (my pediatrician was also an older gentleman and he was wonderful), this guy is clearly past caring about his patients and is just putting in the hours for some reason. I've gone to him three times to get something looked at or try for a referral, and each time my insurance has mailed me back saying they're denying coverage because this guy failed to carry out any of the diagnostic measures they would need to move forward. I started the process of transferring to a new doc, then had to abort that when I found out she'd been censured by a medical board for over-prescribing opiates :psyduck: Then the pandemic kicked off, I decided that spending a couple hours getting processed at a new office was a bad life decision, and here we are a year later.

Apologies for the rant, healthcare is just maddening.

Yo, I got my deviated septum fixed last March right before covid hit and it has been life changing.

Life sucks so much rear end for a week but once you get the packing out it’s amazing being able to breathe normally. I had been dealing with it my whole life and was literally a mouth-breather during sports and it sucked.

Henrik Zetterberg fucked around with this message at 18:43 on Feb 6, 2021

America Inc.
Nov 22, 2013

I plan to live forever, of course, but barring that I'd settle for a couple thousand years. Even 500 would be pretty nice.
1 in 3 people in LA county have had Covid, holy poo poo

Here in Alameda County I've calculated only something like 4-5% of the population has had it based on official cases. It's probably higher than the official count but I doubt anywhere near one-third.

E: Newsom isn't in danger of being removed from office but I think I'd be sweating bullets if I was Garcetti

E1: also the Alameda county estimate is a bit higher than what I originally put.

America Inc. fucked around with this message at 01:39 on Feb 7, 2021

Sydin
Oct 29, 2011

Another spring commute
LA is a complete and utter shitshow and has been for months now. One of the biggest laughingstocks of the country imo in regards to handling COVID. Remember when Garcetti closed down all the testing sites during the George Floyd protests and pretty much openly said it was to punish protestors? That was cool and not at all a psycopathic response that bore out to be emblematic of how the city would chose to handle the pandemic.

Alec Eiffel
Sep 7, 2004

by Fluffdaddy
I live in LA county. Getting groceries is like a roll of the dice lol

FlapYoJacks
Feb 12, 2009
LA county is the largest county in the nation iirc. Or at least one of them. In Pomona getting groceries is fine and I haven’t had any issues with crowding. Go towards the valley? gently caress. That.

jetz0r
May 10, 2003

Tomorrow, our nation will sit on the throne of the world. This is not a figment of the imagination, but a fact. Tomorrow we will lead the world, Allah willing.



Alec Eiffel posted:

I live in LA county. Getting groceries is like a roll of the dice lol

Get a respirator, it's more comfortable and effective than n95s, and you won't need to replace the filters for a year or so if you're only using it in clear air.

https://www.digikey.com/en/products/detail/3m/7502/6827884
https://www.digikey.com/en/products/detail/3m/7093B/6827876

You can cover the exhaust port with a surgical mask to get some source filtering. Even if you don't, it's more effective at source control than surgical masks, procedure masks, cloth face coverings, or fabric from cotton t-shirts

FUCK SNEEP
Apr 21, 2007




Alec Eiffel posted:

I live in LA county. Getting groceries is like a roll of the dice lol

With outdoor dining allowed again I have to walk through blocks of sidewalks full of diners without masks to get to my nearest grocery store :smithicide:

Kestral
Nov 24, 2000

Forum Veteran

jetz0r posted:

Get a respirator, it's more comfortable and effective than n95s, and you won't need to replace the filters for a year or so if you're only using it in clear air.

Seconding this, and also, look in to some eye protection. The original strain was already spreading by that route, and B117 looks to be enormously more infectious, so eyepro may be commensurately more valuable once you've gotten your breath filtered.

Henrik Zetterberg posted:

Yo, I got my deviated septum fixed last March right before covid hit and it has been life changing.

Life sucks so much rear end for a week but once you get the packing out it’s amazing being able to breathe normally. I had been dealing with it my whole life and was literally a mouth-breather during sports and it sucked.

Hell yeah, this is #1 on my todo list as soon as I get vaccinated, assuming that ends up being what I've got going on. How'd you end up with your diagnosis, anyway? "Hey doc, see if my nose is hosed up somehow?"

Kestral fucked around with this message at 05:11 on Feb 7, 2021

Henrik Zetterberg
Dec 7, 2007

Alec Eiffel posted:

I live in LA county. Getting groceries is like a roll of the dice lol

Walmart+ my man. Grocery delivery loving rules. We signed up when we had covid run through the house and it was amazing.

Henrik Zetterberg
Dec 7, 2007

Kestral posted:

Seconding this, and also, look in to some eye protection. The original strain was already spreading by that route, and B117 looks to be enormously more infectious, so eyepro may be commensurately more valuable once you've gotten your breath filtered.


Hell yeah, this is #1 on my todo list as soon as I get vaccinated, assuming that ends up being what I've got going on. How'd you end up with your diagnosis, anyway? "Hey doc, see if my nose is hosed up somehow?"

Man, I wrote a huge post explaining my process but then I got interrupted by kids and lost it.

I have Kaiser fwiw.

Basically:
- Yo doc I can’t breathe through my nose. I’ve taken every allergy medicine under the sun for the past 2 decades.
- He prescribed me Singulair (never tried it before), and said to use a neti pot for 6 weeks.
- After 6 weeks I said yo the neti pot is great (I still use it to this day, daily) and it improved that’s but I’m still clogged.
- He gave me a referral to an ENT
- ENT sent a cam up my nose and into my brain and said “yep your poo poo is way busted, let’s schedule surgery for April 2020.” The camera was like a covid test x 10. Not painful, but it was the most uncomfortable thing I’ve ever experienced.
- They called me in March 2020 and said “we had a cancellation, can you come in tomorrow?”
- Did surgery the next day thankfully. Couple weeks later they poo poo all the elective surgery down due to covid.

I had 1yo old twins at that time, so it was terrible timing. 2 weeks post-surgery one of them crawled over to me in bed in the morning and dropped their forehead right onto my nose and I wanted to die while pouring blood everywhere.

Anyway, the surgery is amazing once you recover from it. The 1 week of poo poo packed up your nose is AWFUL, more so if you have 1yo twins.

Henrik Zetterberg fucked around with this message at 17:06 on Feb 7, 2021

Vincent Van Goatse
Nov 8, 2006

Enjoy every sandwich.

Smellrose

Henrik Zetterberg posted:

- After 6 weeks I said yo the neti pot is great (I still use it to this day, daily) and it improved that’s but I’m still clogged.

Careful with those. Overuse can increase risk of sinus infections and hopefully you're boiling/filtering the poo poo out of the water for it because Naegleria ain't nothing to gently caress with.

Dr. Fraiser Chain
May 18, 2004

Redlining my shit posting machine


I wonder if I have a deviated septum. I had a gnarly bike accident where I landed on my face as a kid. Knocked some of my permanent teeth out of alignment before I even lost all of my baby stuff. They had to pull one that was coming out in a weird spot. Anyway, breathing through my nose is always a crap shoot. The cpap is great for sleeping but it would be nice to breath great just waking around

Vincent Van Goatse
Nov 8, 2006

Enjoy every sandwich.

Smellrose

Goodpancakes posted:

I wonder if I have a deviated septum. I had a gnarly bike accident where I landed on my face as a kid. Knocked some of my permanent teeth out of alignment before I even lost all of my baby stuff. They had to pull one that was coming out in a weird spot. Anyway, breathing through my nose is always a crap shoot. The cpap is great for sleeping but it would be nice to breath great just waking around

Worth having it checked, probably.

Kestral
Nov 24, 2000

Forum Veteran

Henrik Zetterberg posted:

Man, I wrote a huge post explaining my process but then I got interrupted by kids and lost it.
[snip]

This is good stuff, thank you! Saving this for the day when elective surgery is possible again.

Goodpancakes posted:

I wonder if I have a deviated septum. I had a gnarly bike accident where I landed on my face as a kid. Knocked some of my permanent teeth out of alignment before I even lost all of my baby stuff. They had to pull one that was coming out in a weird spot. Anyway, breathing through my nose is always a crap shoot. The cpap is great for sleeping but it would be nice to breath great just waking around

FWIW based on what research I've done, this kind of injury is a textbook cause for a deviated septum starting in childhood that goes unnoticed into adulthood.

Rainbow Knight
Apr 19, 2006

We die.
We pray.
To live.
We serve

gm 714 silent hill goons



we're all dead and in hell

Craptacular!
Jul 9, 2001

Fuck the DH
Looks like a typical Bay Area morning.

withak
Jan 15, 2003


Fun Shoe
What the bay area used to look like before climate change.

Keyser_Soze
May 5, 2009

Pillbug
that's how SF looked every July 4th back in the 90's when I lived there (and as a wee troll in Pacific Grove/Monterey.)

I miss that weather. :saddowns:

EDIT: oh and the monarch butterflies in PG :smith:

Keyser_Soze fucked around with this message at 20:46 on Feb 7, 2021

Bizarro Watt
May 30, 2010

My responsibility is to follow the Scriptures which call upon us to occupy the land until Jesus returns.

withak posted:

What the bay area used to look like before climate change.

As a kid in the 90s I remember the near constant rain we would get each Dec - Feb in my part of California. Not so much anymore. :smith:

WAR CRIME GIGOLO
Oct 3, 2012

The Hague
tryna get me
for these glutes

The amount of birds in the bay area has declined significantly since the 90s. I used to see mind bendingly large flocks flying in line formations as a young kid. Now I see none.

Fill Baptismal
Dec 15, 2008

Wicked Them Beats posted:

https://twitter.com/eyokley/status/1357519201825603586?s=20

Newsom poll numbers. Seems he's slightly better than where he was this same time last year, but way below where he was in the early COVID days when people were lionizing blue state governors for not being Trump.

I suspect that Newsom likely has the same phenomenon as Coumo where the opposition party and people who follow politics closely hate him, but normies think of him as that nice man doing his best.

[url] https://twitter.com/ichotiner/status/1358191445606162432[/url]

The guy from the New Yorker notorious for getting people to embarrass themselves did an interview with the head of the SF school board. It doesn’t disappoint.

commielingus
Jan 23, 2021

by Athanatos

adoration for none posted:

1 in 3 people in LA county have had Covid, holy poo poo

:stare:

The Bay Area is probably next, right? gently caress.

WAR CRIME GIGOLO
Oct 3, 2012

The Hague
tryna get me
for these glutes

DanteDevils posted:

:stare:

The Bay Area is probably next, right? gently caress.

Sonoma and County and Marin county are being pretty stringent. But yes there is a possibility this will run rampant again.

sb hermit
Dec 13, 2016





I just got my parents to sign up for the first round of the Moderna vaccine through the county (Orange). They were initially notified of the opportunity through an e-mail, which has a link to a server that doesn't exist.

Thankfully, the e-mail also said to try logging in via the app, and that worked fine.

Never push an update to production on a Friday!

Cicero
Dec 17, 2003

Jumpjet, melta, jumpjet. Repeat for ten minutes or until victory is assured.

Still Dismal posted:

I suspect that Newsom likely has the same phenomenon as Coumo where the opposition party and people who follow politics closely hate him, but normies think of him as that nice man doing his best.

[url] https://twitter.com/ichotiner/status/1358191445606162432[/url]

The guy from the New Yorker notorious for getting people to embarrass themselves did an interview with the head of the SF school board. It doesn’t disappoint.
Haha, wow. That ending reminds me of the end of my favorite Onion video too: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pwom49awRKg

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Sydin
Oct 29, 2011

Another spring commute

Still Dismal posted:

[url] https://twitter.com/ichotiner/status/1358191445606162432[/url]

The guy from the New Yorker notorious for getting people to embarrass themselves did an interview with the head of the SF school board. It doesn’t disappoint.

The board process sounds dumb as gently caress and it was pretty ignorant to not include any historians - even if for nothing else but fact checking - but :lol::lol: this guy is way too mad about some schools changing their names. Calm down Isaac, a couple schools getting "Lincoln" and "Paul Revere" stripped from their names isn't going to forever taint the youth.

"Do you have any thoughts about Lincoln and how we should view him?" lmao okay buddy :jerkbag:

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