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Groovelord Neato
Dec 6, 2014


Naming a country song your song of the year is dumb as hell even before it comes out the artist is super racist.

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DeafNote
Jun 4, 2014

Only Happy When It Rains

Grunch Worldflower posted:

What really sets Drawfee apart as a feel-good show is how all four of them are clearly fans of each other's work. You can especially see it in the speed drawing episodes where they all get a chance to really flex their skill and talk about process and stuff but every episode is a few talented friends genuinely having a good time together.

Plus we can always count on one of them to ruin Pokemon for everyone.

Captain Invictus
Apr 5, 2005

Try reading some manga!


Clever Betty
I love Day9 spontaneous rants. here's one about creative confidence due to the existence of Bio-Quartz Space Godzilla.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62lfYjg7Hcc&hd=1

Grunch Worldflower
Nov 16, 2020

DeafNote posted:

Plus we can always count on one of them to ruin Pokemon for everyone.

Improve pokemon, I'm sure you meant to say.

Fuckin spheal.

Jamie Faith
Jan 13, 2020

On the topic of R rated super hero movies.... :allears:

https://twitter.com/TheEpicDept/status/1357855882143539202

This sounds like a Dril tweet :discourse:

Jimbot
Jul 22, 2008

PG is for Punk Goober.
R is for Radical!

Makes u think!

edogawa rando
Mar 20, 2007

The American ratings system is loving stupid anyway, and everyone should adopt the ones used in New Zealand and Australia.

DoctorWhat
Nov 18, 2011

A little privacy, please?

Vagabundo posted:

The American ratings system is loving stupid anyway, and everyone should adopt the ones used in New Zealand and Australia.

How many times do kids movies there get to say "oval office"?

Dapper_Swindler
Feb 14, 2012

Im glad my instant dislike in you has been validated again and again.

Jamie Faith posted:

On the topic of R rated super hero movies.... :allears:

https://twitter.com/TheEpicDept/status/1357855882143539202

This sounds like a Dril tweet :discourse:

lol. this shits so loving lame and i am the dude who liked both deadpool movies alot and think they could only work as r rated movies. i feel like going full loving grim dark and edgy rarely works with A list cape stuff, i mean outside Arkhamverse batman, i have grown to dislike Darker depictions of comic poo poo. like some times its done really well or can do a good balance but half the time its just boring and weirdly hosed up in dumb ways. like weirdly enough, i think the 2 games based on The Darkness comic series did a great job with doing dark hosed up poo poo but with pretty good writing, is it perfect, gently caress no, but its a million miles better than the comic series its based on. i guess my issue is i am tired of grim dark poo poo when it sounds like Alpha prime but on a bigger budget.



Dapper_Swindler fucked around with this message at 22:02 on Feb 7, 2021

edogawa rando
Mar 20, 2007

DoctorWhat posted:

How many times do kids movies there get to say "oval office"?

Practically a pre-requisite for anything rated G.

Dapper_Swindler
Feb 14, 2012

Im glad my instant dislike in you has been validated again and again.

DoctorWhat posted:

How many times do kids movies there get to say "oval office"?

that makes me curious how the British/Australian ratings board rates language like that. like i know over there "oval office" isnt as bad as in the US and poo poo.

repiv
Aug 13, 2009

Dapper_Swindler posted:

that makes me curious how the British/Australian ratings board rates language like that. like i know over there "oval office" isnt as bad as in the US and poo poo.

That came up recently with Apex Legends, the writers wanted the new Australian character to say oval office, and the UK/AUS ratings boards were fine with that in a T for Teen game, but the American ratings board blocked it :argh:

edogawa rando
Mar 20, 2007

Dapper_Swindler posted:

that makes me curious how the British/Australian ratings board rates language like that. like i know over there "oval office" isnt as bad as in the US and poo poo.

In New Zealand, where I live, the ratings system goes like this:

G - General, so family films, kids' movies, etc.

PG - Parental Guidance. The odd "poo poo" might sneak in here, like Tim Burton's Batman.

M - Most PG-13 and soft R films tend to end up here. The Dark Knight trilogy are all rated M, as is The Matrix or Ghost World (this is also the lowest rating that I've seen for a film where a character drops that word).

After that, you get the Rs.

R13, R15, R16 and R18. The number, as you'd probably have guessed, is how old one needs to be to view the films legally. You can more or less cite a film where someone says "oval office" at least once for any of these ratings.

You can also occasionally find films with an RP restriction, where they're nominally restricted to persons aged XX, but can be viewed by someone below that age if there is parental supervision. It's rarely, if ever, used, and I've only ever seen it on The Shawshank Redemption.

The R rating essentially acts like the American R or the "A" rating that Siskel and Ebert often advocated for, as an alternative to the NC-17 rating.

muscles like this!
Jan 17, 2005


Vagabundo posted:

In New Zealand, where I live, the ratings system goes like this:

G - General, so family films, kids' movies, etc.

PG - Parental Guidance. The odd "poo poo" might sneak in here, like Tim Burton's Batman.

M - Most PG-13 and soft R films tend to end up here. The Dark Knight trilogy are all rated M, as is The Matrix or Ghost World (this is also the lowest rating that I've seen for a film where a character drops that word).

After that, you get the Rs.

R13, R15, R16 and R18. The number, as you'd probably have guessed, is how old one needs to be to view the films legally. You can more or less cite a film where someone says "oval office" at least once for any of these ratings.

You can also occasionally find films with an RP restriction, where they're nominally restricted to persons aged XX, but can be viewed by someone below that age if there is parental supervision. It's rarely, if ever, used, and I've only ever seen it on The Shawshank Redemption.

The R rating essentially acts like the American R or the "A" rating that Siskel and Ebert often advocated for, as an alternative to the NC-17 rating.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SzbE0wpqeKc

Grapplejack
Nov 27, 2007

With the death of theaters I actually wonder if we're going to see A movies become a real thing, since theaters were pushing hard against that.

RareAcumen
Dec 28, 2012




Dapper_Swindler posted:

lol. this shits so loving lame and i am the dude who liked both deadpool movies alot

Oh yeah? Well, I liked both the Incredibles movies despite them being intense objectivist propaganda films insidiously hidden in a charming animation style!

BigRed0427
Mar 23, 2007

There's no one I'd rather be than me.

Grapplejack posted:

With the death of theaters I actually wonder if we're going to see A movies become a real thing, since theaters were pushing hard against that.

I always wondered that. do NC-17 films even get made?

Its like the ESRB's AO Rating. You know it's there but you never actually see it

Max Wilco
Jan 23, 2012

I'm just trying to go through life without looking stupid.

It's not working out too well...
The NC-17 is like the AO rating for games; the reason why you don't see it much is because most theaters/retailers won't carry it, and when you can't sell your stuff at Wal-Mart and Best-Buy, that's a big stream of income just out the window, so they'll edit it down.

The R rating is in similar boat. Distributors or producers will trim it down to a PG-13 in order to maximize audiences, since with an R rating, children and teenagers aren't allowed to get in unless with an adult.

In the end, it's less about content, and more about money.

Grapplejack posted:

With the death of theaters I actually wonder if we're going to see A movies become a real thing, since theaters were pushing hard against that.

That's a good question. I'd have to think ratings would have less of an impact, but I still have to think there'd be some restrictions in place.

DeafNote
Jun 4, 2014

Only Happy When It Rains

Vagabundo posted:

The American ratings system is loving stupid anyway, and everyone should adopt the ones used in New Zealand and Australia.

Just like with feet and yards and whatever.
I do not understand how G/PG/NC/R/X makes more sense than just saying 6/12/16/18 which is how we did it here in holland.
Then again maybe my country is just not very imaginative. (and sometimes PG13 movies just get shoved to age 16)

josh04
Oct 19, 2008


"THE FLASH IS THE REASON
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stingtwo
Nov 16, 2012

BigRed0427 posted:

I always wondered that. do NC-17 films even get made?

Its like the ESRB's AO Rating. You know it's there but you never actually see it

The dirty secrete is they do, but the major studios then request it to be made into an R https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7oXk0EhF450&t=1326s

edogawa rando
Mar 20, 2007

Max Wilco posted:

The NC-17 is like the AO rating for games; the reason why you don't see it much is because most theaters/retailers won't carry it, and when you can't sell your stuff at Wal-Mart and Best-Buy, that's a big stream of income just out the window, so they'll edit it down.

That's one of the main differences between NZ and Australia's R18 and the NC-17 - major cinema chains carry R18 films and it's not exactly commercial death here either, nor are major retail chains like JB Hi-Fi or online retailers like Mighty Ape afraid to carry them. Off the top of my head, Dredd (rated R18) and Mad Max: Fury Road (R16) did as well as they could in NZ cinemas. Dredd was helped by having Karl Urban, a good Kiwi lad, in the lead role.

Jimbot
Jul 22, 2008

All film should be NC-99. No one's allowed to see them.

Arc Hammer
Mar 4, 2013

Got any deathsticks?

Jimbot posted:

All film should be NC-99. No one's allowed to see them.

You'll need a fake license to watch ultra-porn.

Sydin
Oct 29, 2011

Another spring commute

Vagabundo posted:

R13, R15, R16 and R18. The number, as you'd probably have guessed, is how old one needs to be to view the films legally. You can more or less cite a film where someone says "oval office" at least once for any of these ratings.

I was with you until this, but I think this gets way too granular. What exactly is okay for a 16 year old to legally see, but not a 15 year old?

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

Sydin posted:

I was with you until this, but I think this gets way too granular. What exactly is okay for a 16 year old to legally see, but not a 15 year old?

A third-through-seventh boob.

edogawa rando
Mar 20, 2007

Sydin posted:

I was with you until this, but I think this gets way too granular. What exactly is okay for a 16 year old to legally see, but not a 15 year old?

The OFLC usually publishes a summary of their decisions. Here's why Saving Private Ryan got a specially created R15 instead of its original R16:

quote:

"Saving Private Ryan deals with matters such as horror, cruelty and violence in terms of s.3(1). Nothing in this film falls within s.3(2). The Board gave “particular weight” to the extent and degree to which, and the manner in which, the film describes, depicts, or otherwise deals with “[a]cts of torture, the infliction of serious physical harm, or acts of significant cruelty” in s.3(3)(a)(i). There are many such scenes in the film. The Board also considered the matters in s.3(4). These include the extraordinarily powerful emotional effect of the film, its cinematic impact (which would be significantly greater than in video format because of more visual detail), its importance as an educational and cultural memoire of the sacrifices made in World War II, and its importance as an example of a well-made film in the war movie genre.

The Board was of the view that the public good would be injured if this film were made available to persons under 15 years of age who are likely to be both insufficiently emotionally equipped to cope with the depictions of violence and not as knowledgeable about the historical context in which the events in the film take place. In the Board’s view, person’s 15 years of age and over are more likely to be emotionally equipped to cope with the scenes of violence and are more likely to have studied in school the history of the twentieth century. They would consequently be able to recognise the significance of the film without being overwhelmed by its depictions of violence. The Board consequently classified Saving Private Ryan as “objectionable unless its availability is restricted to persons 15 years of age and over” with a notice advising that the film “depicts graphic and realistic war scenes”.

The Board balanced the graphic violence identified as a “particular” concern in s.3(3)(a)(i) with the film’s obvious merit in s.3(4). Significant in this regard is the fact that the violence is both realistic and is set in the context of a world war. The Board was satisfied that the violence portrayed in the film is an honest and genuine attempt to convey both the horror of war and the enormous sacrifice made by a generation of young men and women. This sets the film apart from other films that may show significant violence. Given the honest purpose of the film and its significance as a reminder of the horrors of war and the sacrifices made, the Board was of the view that the public good would be served by making the film as widely available as possible, but not to audiences who could be adversely affected by the portrayals of violence. Audiences who could be adversely affected would be those upon whom the educational and historical benefits of the film would be overwhelmed or subsumed by the power and emotional impact of the scenes of violence.

They're also incredibly open and accessible (they regularly attend the Media Teachers' conference that happens every other year and hold Professional Development sessions, for example). They key thing is that they consider the creator's intent, the context, and the likelihood for "harm."

Max Wilco
Jan 23, 2012

I'm just trying to go through life without looking stupid.

It's not working out too well...

Vagabundo posted:

That's one of the main differences between NZ and Australia's R18 and the NC-17 - major cinema chains carry R18 films and it's not exactly commercial death here either, nor are major retail chains like JB Hi-Fi or online retailers like Mighty Ape afraid to carry them. Off the top of my head, Dredd (rated R18) and Mad Max: Fury Road (R16) did as well as they could in NZ cinemas. Dredd was helped by having Karl Urban, a good Kiwi lad, in the lead role.

Something I read recently mentioned that in the UK (or maybe it's just England specificially) that late-night televised content either shows way more explicit stuff than you see in the US or it's aired at an earlier hour or something (I don't remember what it was exactly).

I guess it just comes down to who's in charge of is and isn't allowed.

Neddy Seagoon
Oct 12, 2012

"Hi Everybody!"

Vagabundo posted:

The OFLC usually publishes a summary of their decisions. Here's why Saving Private Ryan got a specially created R15 instead of its original R16:

They're also incredibly open and accessible (they regularly attend the Media Teachers' conference that happens every other year and hold Professional Development sessions, for example). They key thing is that they consider the creator's intent, the context, and the likelihood for "harm."

The Australian ratings board, on the other hand, likes to clutch their pearls and scream "THINK OF THE CHILDREN!! :byodood:" at anything approaching an adult situation because they're all ultra-conservative. And utterly despise that there's finally an R18+ rating for games now so they can't arbitrarily ban titles anymore at their pleasure because it has a bit of blood in it.


Arcsquad12 posted:

You'll need a fake license to watch ultra-porn.

I can't get it up for anything less than four-dimensional hyper-porn nowadays :sigh:.

Max Wilco posted:

Something I read recently mentioned that in the UK (or maybe it's just England specificially) that late-night televised content either shows way more explicit stuff than you see in the US or it's aired at an earlier hour or something (I don't remember what it was exactly).

I guess it just comes down to who's in charge of is and isn't allowed.

Europe's a lot more liberal about nudity and sex than a country founded by Puritans kicked out by all the fun-havers :v:.

Terrible Opinions
Oct 18, 2013



Also just generally a government regulatory committee is going to be less likely to stiffle something than a cartel's self-enforcement meant to avoid government regulation and maintenance profits.

Seemlar
Jun 18, 2002

Neddy Seagoon posted:

The Australian ratings board, on the other hand, likes to clutch their pearls and scream "THINK OF THE CHILDREN!! :byodood:" at anything approaching an adult situation because they're all ultra-conservative. And utterly despise that there's finally an R18+ rating for games now so they can't arbitrarily ban titles anymore at their pleasure because it has a bit of blood in it.

Now it's just some arbitrary conditions that can lock things to certain ratings regardless of context, "portrayal of drugs that is positive or benficial" and "sex and violence intersecting in any way" being instant R18 (and previously banned) come to mind

Dapper_Swindler
Feb 14, 2012

Im glad my instant dislike in you has been validated again and again.

RareAcumen posted:

Oh yeah? Well, I liked both the Incredibles movies despite them being intense objectivist propaganda films insidiously hidden in a charming animation style!

I am the dude who buys/rents the Cod games and for the single player and the clancy games in general, even though i dislike hate big dumb intervention horrorshows and drones voiping weddings and giant imperial powers jousiting cocks in countries. i find them interesting and i love my dumb gritty war stories about SAS dudes smoking Russian ultranationalists or space nazis and shooting chuds in the air and space museum as some easily corrupted secret DHS hit squads. politics problematic, sure, still find them fun.


Vagabundo posted:

The OFLC usually publishes a summary of their decisions. Here's why Saving Private Ryan got a specially created R15 instead of its original R16:


They're also incredibly open and accessible (they regularly attend the Media Teachers' conference that happens every other year and hold Professional Development sessions, for example). They key thing is that they consider the creator's intent, the context, and the likelihood for "harm."


yeah, i mean i sorta get their reasoning. its basicaly "hey kids, this is what grandpa saw when he went to the beach, he saw a bunch of his friends get turned into a mist if they were lucky"



BigRed0427 posted:

I always wondered that. do NC-17 films even get made?

Its like the ESRB's AO Rating. You know it's there but you never actually see it

i mean with the internet/streaming/steam, its easy as gently caress to sell the porn game and than have the porn part downloadble on a different site OR vice versa. also the goverment or parents groups no longer give a poo poo about games any more to fight it since little timmy is too busy screaming the "gamer word" while playing fortnite. the real thing is no porn game would get console sales because the manufactures don't want it. so basicaly you can have soft core elements in your game but no hard core poo poo.

Groovelord Neato
Dec 6, 2014


Our ratings system is mostly stupid because of the MPAA ratings board itself. Check out the documentary This Film is Not Yet Rated if you haven't seen it.

BigRed0427
Mar 23, 2007

There's no one I'd rather be than me.

Groovelord Neato posted:

Our ratings system is mostly stupid because of the MPAA ratings board itself. Check out the documentary This Film is Not Yet Rated if you haven't seen it.

See, my biggest take away from that is the MPAA is just a ploy to keep movies made by smaller studios out of the mainstream.

Max Wilco
Jan 23, 2012

I'm just trying to go through life without looking stupid.

It's not working out too well...

Dapper_Swindler posted:

I am the dude who buys/rents the Cod games and for the single player and the clancy games in general, even though i dislike hate big dumb intervention horrorshows and drones voiping weddings and giant imperial powers jousiting cocks in countries. i find them interesting and i love my dumb gritty war stories about SAS dudes smoking Russian ultranationalists or space nazis and shooting chuds in the air and space museum as some easily corrupted secret DHS hit squads. politics problematic, sure, still find them fun.

I've only played one Call of Duty all the way through (Call of Duty 2, I think) which wasn't bad, but I found to be mostly dull, and it made me want to play Wolfenstein 2009 (unfortunately, you can't get for PC anymore). I also played the beta or something for Black Ops 3 on PS4, but that also didn't leave a big impression. COD Warzone I thought was pretty thrilling from watching Maximilian Dood play during a few streams, but I couldn't survive for very long in the brief time I played it. It also didn't help that the game install size is obscenely huge, and I had to make a paging file for memory just to keep it from crashing.

If I was going to play a military shooter, I'd play ARMA 3, since I have a penchant for slower-paced, tactical shooters like the classic Rainbow Six games and SWAT 4. I'd play ARMA 3 if I could figure out why it always runs so poorly. Plus, you can do cool orky:orks: stuff like this with mods.


Dapper_Swindler posted:

i mean with the internet/streaming/steam, its easy as gently caress to sell the porn game and than have the porn part downloadble on a different site OR vice versa. also the goverment or parents groups no longer give a poo poo about games any more to fight it since little timmy is too busy screaming the "gamer word" while playing fortnite. the real thing is no porn game would get console sales because the manufactures don't want it. so basicaly you can have soft core elements in your game but no hard core poo poo.

That is (or maybe was, since the market's may have changed) the case in Japan. The majority of titles for PC were mainly eroge titles, with the notable exceptions being stuff like Ys and...I dunno, Touhou, I guess? However, I remember that some of those games did get censored releases for consoles.

Also yeah, a lot of the VNs and stuff on Steam sell what are essentially 'censored' games through Steam directly, but then will link 'decensored' patches to download from their site or elsewhere, which is honestly pretty clever. It seems like there are some games that don't seem to be censored at all, though, so maybe Steam has lightened their policies somewhat.

However, there was an incident/scare from a couple of years ago, where a bunch of adult games (mostly anime games) were going to be removed, but it never came to pass. (Sterling did a video on it)

Groovelord Neato
Dec 6, 2014


BigRed0427 posted:

See, my biggest take away from that is the MPAA is just a ploy to keep movies made by smaller studios out of the mainstream.

That is the biggest takeaway but they also go into how stupid the selections are for the ratings board and how it ends with ratings being puritanical in general (though they're harsher on indies)/

Dapper_Swindler
Feb 14, 2012

Im glad my instant dislike in you has been validated again and again.

Max Wilco posted:

I've only played one Call of Duty all the way through (Call of Duty 2, I think) which wasn't bad, but I found to be mostly dull, and it made me want to play Wolfenstein 2009 (unfortunately, you can't get for PC anymore). I also played the beta or something for Black Ops 3 on PS4, but that also didn't leave a big impression. COD Warzone I thought was pretty thrilling from watching Maximilian Dood play during a few streams, but I couldn't survive for very long in the brief time I played it. It also didn't help that the game install size is obscenely huge, and I had to make a paging file for memory just to keep it from crashing.

If I was going to play a military shooter, I'd play ARMA 3, since I have a penchant for slower-paced, tactical shooters like the classic Rainbow Six games and SWAT 4. I'd play ARMA 3 if I could figure out why it always runs so poorly. Plus, you can do cool orky:orks: stuff like this with mods.


That is (or maybe was, since the market's may have changed) the case in Japan. The majority of titles for PC were mainly eroge titles, with the notable exceptions being stuff like Ys and...I dunno, Touhou, I guess? However, I remember that some of those games did get censored releases for consoles.

Also yeah, a lot of the VNs and stuff on Steam sell what are essentially 'censored' games through Steam directly, but then will link 'decensored' patches to download from their site or elsewhere, which is honestly pretty clever. It seems like there are some games that don't seem to be censored at all, though, so maybe Steam has lightened their policies somewhat.

However, there was an incident/scare from a couple of years ago, where a bunch of adult games (mostly anime games) were going to be removed, but it never came to pass. (Sterling did a video on it)

good choices. i just never liked cod multiplayer, i have always been more BF, TF and team fortress and weird poo poo like squadrons.

on the porn poo poo, yeah thats what i meant with steam. my best friend went to taiwan a couple years back and saw like tons of porn games for sale at the 7-11 equivilant.

dmboogie
Oct 4, 2013

Groovelord Neato posted:

Naming a country song your song of the year is dumb as hell even before it comes out the artist is super racist.

fellas, is it dumb to like a song

Groovelord Neato
Dec 6, 2014


dmboogie posted:

fellas, is it dumb to like a song

I didn't say he was dumb for liking it :)

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Neddy Seagoon
Oct 12, 2012

"Hi Everybody!"

Seemlar posted:

Now it's just some arbitrary conditions that can lock things to certain ratings regardless of context, "portrayal of drugs that is positive or benficial" and "sex and violence intersecting in any way" being instant R18 (and previously banned) come to mind

Let's be honest, for them "sex and violence intersecting in any way" can include anything up to just about "being featured separately in completely different parts of the same game" :v:. For context, the "sex and violence intersecting in any way" R18+ Hammer has been brought down on things like "Someone groped a titty in an anime RPG game. Once. In a cutscene. In a 30/50 hour game".

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