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Necrothatcher
Mar 26, 2005




Inexplicable Humblebrag posted:

lol the tweet is allegedly offensive. you can only take umbrage at it once a judge says so

https://twitter.com/FormerOtter/status/1358776818585731072?s=20

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stev
Jan 22, 2013

Please be excited.




I'm sure Limmy's tweeted worse. Where's his jail time?

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal
That is pretty hosed up, implying that Frederick Shaw might be good.

Bobby Deluxe
May 9, 2004

Jose posted:

seems its not just QCs with brainworms its the entire legal profession

https://twitter.com/AaronBastani/status/1358458213042118662?s=20
Got lost down a twitter hole in the replies and have so far been disappointed by humanity in the following ways:

Jackie Walker (vice chair of Momentum) claiming Bastani has done this to her, but with no links or evidence except a link to an article someone else wrote that makes no such claim.

Also getting weirdly flagtastic on her twitter page, not familiar enough to know if it's irony.

Rachel Riley has apparently managed to shut down AAV with an injunction while she strings out a case for as long as possible.

The other dude she's suing has managed to raise over 120k in legal funds, but now Riley's lawyers are trying to get his funding pages shut down for 'repeating libelous accusations.'

Various people commenting on all of the above, either missing the point and deciding to go full antisemitism, or pull lefty slurs on Bastani.

Everyone is being a twat today, so I am going to walk the dog and try not to let it bring me down.

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal

Bobby Deluxe posted:

Rachel Riley has apparently managed to shut down AAV with an injunction while she strings out a case for as long as possible.
Rachel Riley, who developed chemical weapons for Syria before and during the early part of her appearance on Countdown, has managed to shut down AAV with an injunction while she strings out a case for as long as possible.

Tesseraction
Apr 5, 2009

It's impressive how Corbyn not being leader has actually made the Labour extended universe shitshow worse.

Bobby Deluxe
May 9, 2004

This is going to be one of those things where they're going to claim he threatened to burn him, isn't it?

I was once 'asked to attend' a police station for threatening to kick someone via email. They were joining in being a dick to a friend who had a fuckton of things going wrong, mostly because of them. The phrase I actually used was that I hoped one day [the recipient] would understand what it was like to have everyone kicking them while they were down.

The police officer basically said I'd threatened to kick her, refused to read the email or take the quote in context or listen to any attempt at explaination, he just worked from the assumprion that I'd said that. When I refused to accept the informal caution (don't know the correct legal term but basically a talking-to that's not on my record), he said if I wanted to dispute it they could make it a formal charge so I could dispute it in court.

I couldn't afford to fight it in court, so now I probably have a note on PNC or some cop database that i threatened to kick someone.

gh0stpinballa
Mar 5, 2019

not a huge fan of novara but if bastani sues rachel riley i feel like i'm obligated to toss a 5er into his legal fund for the pure banter. it would be genuinely hilarious to see her radicalisation land her in court, all because david collier was feeling especially confident and horny online back in 2018.

Bobby Deluxe
May 9, 2004

What's the start of her insanity anyway? I'm assuming that at some point she was just a normal TV presenter.

Olberman has always given off an extreme Karen vibe, my theory is that playing the rear end in a top hat market manager on Eastenders every day rewired her brain into actually wanting to be a dick to everyone, then twitter came along and gave her the perfect place to do it.

Borrovan
Aug 15, 2013

IT IS ME.
🧑‍💼
I AM THERESA MAY


Bobby Deluxe posted:

This is going to be one of those things where they're going to claim he threatened to burn him, isn't it?
Would hate to be a crematorium manager rn

I just learned that there's actually offences specifically concerning saying poo poo about military personnel in counter-terror legislation, could be one of them.

More likely imo that the coppers are just hitting him with some bullshit to send a message, knowing that he'll probably just accept a slap on the wrist, regardless of whether the charges make any sense or not (because like gently caress does Plod know a drat thing about the law in this area)

e: here's a relevant statutory provision that Plod probably would have heard of, but without the slightest understanding what "grossly offensive, ... obscene or menacing" mean in this context

Borrovan fucked around with this message at 16:26 on Feb 8, 2021

Weasling Weasel
Oct 20, 2010
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-55973726

quote:

Margaret Thatcher opposed the use of warnings about "risky sex" in her government's Aids awareness campaign, her health secretary has said.

Lord Fowler said the then prime minister thought mentioning sexual practices in leaflets sent out in 1986 would make people "experiment".

"She was just wrong on that," he added, saying there was "absolutely no evidence that that took place".
Had to double check, but it was the same year David Cameron was in his second year of uni, and probably loving a pigs head.

Not So Fast
Dec 27, 2007


Guavanaut posted:

Rachel Riley, who developed chemical weapons for Syria before and during the early part of her appearance on Countdown, has managed to shut down AAV with an injunction while she strings out a case for as long as possible.

Wait what, chemical weapons?

Comrade Fakename
Feb 13, 2012


Bobby Deluxe posted:

Jackie Walker (vice chair of Momentum) claiming Bastani has done this to her, but with no links or evidence except a link to an article someone else wrote that makes no such claim.

Jackie Walker is not a vice chair of Momentum.

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal

Not So Fast posted:

Wait what, chemical weapons?
It hasn't been proven, but given how litigious she usually is she's never once sued over it. You can make your own conclusions about what else she doesn't want to come out.

Comrade Fakename posted:

Jackie Walker is not a vice chair of Momentum.
Jackie Weaver has the authority to be a vice chair of Momentum.

Communist Thoughts
Jan 7, 2008

Our war against free speech cannot end until we silence this bronze beast!


Tesseraction posted:

It's impressive how Corbyn not being leader has actually made the Labour extended universe shitshow worse.

Labour is at least two factions of remaining rats fighting for control of the sinking ship

Regarde Aduck
Oct 19, 2012

c l o u d k i t t e n
Grimey Drawer

Not So Fast posted:

Wait what, chemical weapons?

*nods* I saw it

Miftan
Mar 31, 2012

Terry knows what he can do with his bloody chocolate orange...

Regarde Aduck posted:

*nods* I saw it

Did the chemical weapon look at you?

Bobby Deluxe
May 9, 2004

Comrade Fakename posted:

Jackie Walker is not a vice chair of Momentum.
https://twitter.com/KRodgersEsq/status/1358494546666151940?s=19

It says here she was, although the point of the context might be that they were wrong about a bunch of stuff in that piece.

stev
Jan 22, 2013

Please be excited.



https://twitter.com/AyoCaesar/status/1358813020986744833?s=19

Ash being way too loving nice in this thread.

I'm amazed at how much traction this book is getting. He's just a bad comedian with a Twitter account (and the worst Taskmaster contestant in all of its ten seasons).

Bobby Deluxe
May 9, 2004

I have difficulty dealing with the fact that the same comedy vehicle spawned him, and Stuart Lee.

Then again it also spawned Hugh Dennis, and TMWRNJ spawned centrism elemental Richard Herring, so who's to say what anything means.

Grey Hunter
Oct 17, 2007

Hero of the soviet union.
Accidental destroyer of planets

Failed Imagineer posted:

Growing number of people willing to vote to be REFUKed

Just to check, everyone is reading it as "refuck" as in, Brexit wasn't bad enough, we need another go around.

crispix
Mar 28, 2015

Grand-Maman m'a raconté
(Les éditions des amitiés franco-québécoises)

Hello, dear
I was at the covid vaccination centre for got get my plague-ward during the clapclap time for captain tom last week and i joined in clapclaps because i didn't want to be a dick tbh

goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

If you ask me about the mole people in the London Underground, I WILL be forced to kill you
Fun Shoe

Bobby Deluxe posted:

I have difficulty dealing with the fact that the same comedy vehicle spawned him, and Stuart Lee.

Then again it also spawned Hugh Dennis, and TMWRNJ spawned centrism elemental Richard Herring, so who's to say what anything means.

Have you got Stewart Lee confused with Rob Newman (who is also a holder of Correct Opinions)? Baddiel came up through Footlights and was a TV writer for various ITV comedies before The Mary Whitehouse Experience, Lee came up through the Oxford Revue and wrote for Radio 4 comedies, particularly On The Hour, before Lee and Herring. AFAIK they've never actually worked together on anything substantial.

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal

goddamnedtwisto posted:

Baddiel came up through Footlights
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hKVekNXrGJo

Gort
Aug 18, 2003

Good day what ho cup of tea

crispix posted:

I was at the covid vaccination centre for got get my plague-ward during the clapclap time for captain tom last week and i joined in clapclaps because i didn't want to be a dick tbh

That's exactly what everyone else there was doing too

WhatEvil
Jun 6, 2004

Can't get no luck.

goddamnedtwisto posted:

Have you got Stewart Lee confused with Rob Newman (who is also a holder of Correct Opinions)? Baddiel came up through Footlights and was a TV writer for various ITV comedies before The Mary Whitehouse Experience, Lee came up through the Oxford Revue and wrote for Radio 4 comedies, particularly On The Hour, before Lee and Herring. AFAIK they've never actually worked together on anything substantial.

Interesting that the only 2 still basically sound, reasonably high profile comedians - Chris Morris and Stu Lee - came through the same show.

There are a few other sound comedians - Josie Long, Alexei Sayle, Francesca Martinez, Mark Thomas - though none of those get high profile work anymore really. Can anybody think of any others?

goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

If you ask me about the mole people in the London Underground, I WILL be forced to kill you
Fun Shoe

Fun fact - the single black guy cheering on Footlights is one of my neighbours.

Deketh
Feb 26, 2006
That's a nice fucking fish

WhatEvil posted:

Interesting that the only 2 still basically sound, reasonably high profile comedians - Chris Morris and Stu Lee - came through the same show.

There are a few other sound comedians - Josie Long, Alexei Sayle, Francesca Martinez, Mark Thomas - though none of those get high profile work anymore really. Can anybody think of any others?

He's not high profile but Elis James has often talked fondly about socialism, generally in a historical context. His platforms haven't typically been the place for espousing political opinions though.

crispix
Mar 28, 2015

Grand-Maman m'a raconté
(Les éditions des amitiés franco-québécoises)

Hello, dear

Gort posted:

That's exactly what everyone else there was doing too

it occurred to me it might be funny to shout GAARRRON TOM LAD like Michael off Alan Partridge but if i acted on all the impulses like that that pass through my brain each day i would most likely be imprisoned or sectioned in a matter of hours

Yvonmukluk
Oct 10, 2012

Everything is Sinister


stev posted:

https://twitter.com/AyoCaesar/status/1358813020986744833?s=19

Ash being way too loving nice in this thread.

I'm amazed at how much traction this book is getting. He's just a bad comedian with a Twitter account (and the worst Taskmaster contestant in all of its ten seasons).

Yeah, I was going to say, how anyone can watch him fail at basic logic and think he has any idea how politics works is baffling.

Bobby Deluxe
May 9, 2004

goddamnedtwisto posted:

Have you got Stewart Lee confused with Rob Newman (who is also a holder of Correct Opinions)? Baddiel came up through Footlights and was a TV writer for various ITV comedies before The Mary Whitehouse Experience, Lee came up through the Oxford Revue and wrote for Radio 4 comedies, particularly On The Hour, before Lee and Herring. AFAIK they've never actually worked together on anything substantial.
It appears I have! Unless I have slipped into an alternative reality where Stewart Lee never joined MWHE.

Mary Whitehouse was Newman, Baddiel, Punt & Dennis, and yet there is no longer any evidence of Steve Punt in this timeline. Curious.

WhatEvil posted:

There are a few other sound comedians - Josie Long, Alexei Sayle, Francesca Martinez, Mark Thomas - though none of those get high profile work anymore really. Can anybody think of any others?
Mark Thomas is someone who - if anyone can really have this said of them - really should have started a podcast by now. His newsletter was incredible in the early days of email, back when people were using it as a proto RSS and before corporate spam reduced it to another notification to mute when you get a new phone.

He's still touring, or at least was before the pandemic.

serious gaylord
Sep 16, 2007

what.

Guavanaut posted:

It hasn't been proven, but given how litigious she usually is she's never once sued over it. You can make your own conclusions about what else she doesn't want to come out.

Tell me more OP

Niric
Jul 23, 2008

Bobby Deluxe posted:

Mark Thomas is someone who - if anyone can really have this said of them - really should have started a podcast by now. His newsletter was incredible in the early days of email, back when people were using it as a proto RSS and before corporate spam reduced it to another notification to mute when you get a new phone.

He's still touring, or at least was before the pandemic.

Mark Thomas is superb, and if anyone hasn't seen him yet they should. He's not only extremely Correct and funny, but his shows are a lot more than just stand up, more like a kind of politics based storytelling about his experiences and activism.

And incidentally, he has a streaming event tomorrow that you should all check out:

quote:

Check Up: Our NHS@70

by Mark Thomas

Tue 16 Feb, 7.30pm


Mark Thomas’s Lockdown Live series continues with his award-winning show Check Up: Our NHS@70.


Having premiered at the Traverse during #TravFest18, Check Up: Our NHS@70 recounts the month Mark spent a month shadowing nurses, consultants and staff at the Imperial Group of NHS hospitals. Mark was there to witness our NHS in action from gastric sleeves to major trauma to dementia wards.


Based on a series of interviews with leading experts in and on the NHS, such as Professor Michael Marmot, the government expert on health inequalities and the then Chief Medical Advisor Professor Dame Sally Davies, Mark uses his own inevitable demise to explore the state we’re in, what's going wrong in our NHS and what the future might hold for all of us.

Followed by a live Q&A.


Admission to this unique performance is £5, 20% of which Mark will generously pass on to the Traverse when booked through the link in this email.


Should you need to contact someone about accessing the stream please contact: chris@gofasterstripe.com

Book Now

TACD
Oct 27, 2000

The Mark Thomas Comedy Product definitely gave me an early kick up the radicalism hole

JoylessJester
Sep 13, 2012

Deketh posted:

He's not high profile but Elis James has often talked fondly about socialism, generally in a historical context. His platforms haven't typically been the place for espousing political opinions though.

While I enjoy Elis' (and John's) stuff, the fact they regularly cite Matt Forde for his amazing comedy and political insight baffles and infuriates me.

Deketh
Feb 26, 2006
That's a nice fucking fish

JoylessJester posted:

While I enjoy Elis' (and John's) stuff, the fact they regularly cite Matt Forde for his amazing comedy and political insight baffles and infuriates me.

Yeah that's true, it's baffled me too especially coming from Elis. John strikes me as an establishment man so it doesn't surprise me quite as much coming from him

Deketh fucked around with this message at 21:16 on Feb 8, 2021

Lord of the Llamas
Jul 9, 2002

EULER'VE TO SEE IT VENN SOMEONE CALLS IT THE WRONG THING AND PROVOKES MY WRATH
Matt Forde is loving terrible.

The Question IRL
Jun 8, 2013

Only two contestants left! Here is Doom's chance for revenge...

Bobby Deluxe posted:

This is going to be one of those things where they're going to claim he threatened to burn him, isn't it?

I was once 'asked to attend' a police station for threatening to kick someone via email. They were joining in being a dick to a friend who had a fuckton of things going wrong, mostly because of them. The phrase I actually used was that I hoped one day [the recipient] would understand what it was like to have everyone kicking them while they were down.

The police officer basically said I'd threatened to kick her, refused to read the email or take the quote in context or listen to any attempt at explaination, he just worked from the assumprion that I'd said that. When I refused to accept the informal caution (don't know the correct legal term but basically a talking-to that's not on my record), he said if I wanted to dispute it they could make it a formal charge so I could dispute it in court.

I couldn't afford to fight it in court, so now I probably have a note on PNC or some cop database that i threatened to kick someone.

From what you are describing, it's probably an Adult Caution. (Assuming that you have those things over in Tanland.)
It basically is supposed to involve the police giving you a Stern Talking To, but nothing further happens. (Apart from maybe a note on a file saying that you received an Adult Caution)
Occasionally even after a case has been entered into the system, a judge can recommend that an accused be offered an Adult Caution, they adjourn the case to allow the accused to go to a police station receive said caution then the case get's thrown out.
Often they happen in situations where the reason the person refused the Adult Caution was because they were so drunk at the time that they refused to accept it.

My advice whenever it comes up is always take this if offered. Yes, they may have some of the facts wrong and you might have been totally in the right. But you are left without a criminal conviction, but with a file.
If you want to fight the case, even if you win (and sometimes that can be a big if) the best case is you are left without a criminal conviction but there will be even more of a file on you.
Consider what the end goal you want is, and how best to get to it.

NotJustANumber99
Feb 15, 2012

somehow that last av was even worse than your posting
I would want to be told I am right.

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Miftan
Mar 31, 2012

Terry knows what he can do with his bloody chocolate orange...

The Question IRL posted:

From what you are describing, it's probably an Adult Caution. (Assuming that you have those things over in Tanland.)
It basically is supposed to involve the police giving you a Stern Talking To, but nothing further happens. (Apart from maybe a note on a file saying that you received an Adult Caution)
Occasionally even after a case has been entered into the system, a judge can recommend that an accused be offered an Adult Caution, they adjourn the case to allow the accused to go to a police station receive said caution then the case get's thrown out.
Often they happen in situations where the reason the person refused the Adult Caution was because they were so drunk at the time that they refused to accept it.

My advice whenever it comes up is always take this if offered. Yes, they may have some of the facts wrong and you might have been totally in the right. But you are left without a criminal conviction, but with a file.
If you want to fight the case, even if you win (and sometimes that can be a big if) the best case is you are left without a criminal conviction but there will be even more of a file on you.
Consider what the end goal you want is, and how best to get to it.

I mean that's just a really poo poo system tbh. "Either you let us lie about you and put it on your file or we give you an even bigger file as a trouble maker"

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