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uggy posted:I thought part of it was just that pitcher mechanics have been repeated tens of thousands of times and now you’re asking them to throw further? Wasn’t injury risk a thing that makes moving the mound further a non starter? There's that too. Pitchers are always going to try to strike out batters and expecting them to not try to just force that velo if you lower/move the mound seems foolhardy.
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Seeing a guy hit a single and it’s actually an out because the third base man is in short right field is stupid and boring
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Feb 8, 2021 23:00
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If you want to reduce strikeouts and improve contact then shrink the strikezone. They've changed the zone several times in the past, I don't get why baseball is uninterested in this particular lever lately. Couple this with a lower COR ball and they should be able to maintain reasonable HR rates while increasing balls in play, which is ultimately what people mean when they say there's too many strikeouts.
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Feb 8, 2021 23:02
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Ya you don't need to move the mound. You can alter the height or the strikezone
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Feb 8, 2021 23:13
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euphronius posted:Seeing a guy hit a single and it’s actually an out because the third base man is in short right field is stupid and boring To me that's like saying "seeing a guy hit a HR and its actually a popup to 1B because the pitcher made him chase something high and inside." The shift is just the defense beating the hitter. Its not as if they get an extra fielder or something. They're opening up a hole the batter can't take advantage of. Why is the defense the bad guy there? There's a lot of random stuff we could just do to inflate the offense like adding a strike or eliminating the SS. I don't think that makes them good ideas.
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Feb 8, 2021 23:16
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Pro sports make changes to defense all the time for the sake of entertainment this isn’t a crazy notion Also don’t do slippery slope on me
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Feb 8, 2021 23:18
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I'm not doing "slippery slope", I'm asking "Why that?" What makes the defense being better than the offense the thing that we need to artificially cap to "fix" the game? I genuinely don't get it. The shift isn't some complicated change in the game. Its teams figuring out that some hitters are really limited and adjusting to take advantage of that. And we wanna tell them they're not allowed?
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Feb 8, 2021 23:21
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Yes because it’s boring and anti baseball and easy to fix . It’s low hanging fruit
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Feb 8, 2021 23:23
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bewbies posted:i feel like a lot of you don't remember how much fun smallball can be Inspector_666 posted:I like base hits but if you think people only strike out because they're trying to hit home runs too much I have some news for you. Intruder posted:If there's one thing I miss it's seeing a guy get bunted over to second and then stranded by a popout NPB is all 
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Feb 8, 2021 23:24
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Steals are the best part of baseball. More steals.
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Feb 8, 2021 23:39
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There's a solution to the shift that the players could take on themselves and choose not to
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Feb 8, 2021 23:41
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Its easier to handicap the better players than make the worse players better.
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Feb 8, 2021 23:44
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ScottyJSno posted:NPB is all I mean I feel like if you sent MLB pitching staffs to Japan you might see the strikeout rate increase there too!
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Feb 8, 2021 23:56
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They should try to get rid of the shift for a year and see what happens. I think the important thing they need to do is have more AB's end in contact and IDK if getting rid of the shift would do anything to fix that. Right now the most valuable assets are pitchers who K a lot of guys and hitters who walk a lot (no matter how much they K) which both make the game worse and more boring.
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Feb 8, 2021 23:58
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Ban the cowardly curveball
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Feb 9, 2021 00:02
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Would it speed games up? That's all MLB cares about
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Feb 9, 2021 00:04
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Deadening the ball would speed games up because pitchers will attack the zone more instead of nibbling around the edges
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gently caress banning the shift, it's been around for decades and good hitters find ways to get around it. Maybe left handed hitters should learn how to do something besides pull the ball on the ground over and over and over and over. Easy ways of getting more contact are lowering the zone to counter the high fastball revolution and increase the usefulness of sinkers, moving back and/or lowering the mound to counter the increase in average pitcher velo, and deadening the ball so pitchers aren't as worried that living in the zone will result in a million dingers. I think deadening the ball is the easiest out of those and would be the least intrusive to players and fans. Baseball was fun and there were still plenty of dingers before MLB introduced the loving moon ball a few years ago.
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Feb 9, 2021 00:30
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Bleh, I was hoping we'd dodge the runner on second rule. https://twitter.com/HannahRKeyser/status/1358900621596884998
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Feb 9, 2021 00:31
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the shift has to stay because i want to continue watching Freddie Freeman beat it i really hate the extra innings runner on second rule though and i would swap all the other stuff just to make it go away
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elentar posted:the shift has to stay because i want to continue watching Freddie Freeman beat it This. Hitters beating the shift is awesome. Freeman beats it by just smashing the ball into the giant gap but I want to see more people bunt the poo poo into left field. Also just because banning the shift is dumb as hell.
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Feb 9, 2021 00:50
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Juiced ball era should be more infamous than the steroid era. 4 of the top 5 homerun seasons happened during the juiced ball era (2016,2017,2018,2019) with the 3rd highest being 2000. 2020 would have been the 2nd highest homerun hitting year after 2019 if you extrapolate out the 60 game season.
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Inspector_666 posted:I mean I feel like if you sent MLB pitching staffs to Japan you might see the strikeout rate increase there too! Sorry! My emoji based response was not clear, I agree with you. Using 2019 #s NPB DH League = 2.6% HR rate / 19.5% K rate No DH = 2.6% HR rate / 20.3% K rate ------------------------------------------------------------------------ MLB AL = 3.7% HR rate / 23% K rate NL = 3.5% HR rate / 23% K rate As you can clearly see I have no idea how to analyze this, or if in fact it is relevant at all. Thank you for listening to my TED talk. ScottyJSno fucked around with this message at 01:02 on Feb 9, 2021 |
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Feb 9, 2021 00:59
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elentar posted:the shift has to stay because i want to continue watching Freddie Freeman beat it Nothing beats a Schwarbunt against the shift.
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Feb 9, 2021 00:59
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The shift is fine. It's the "I get paid to mash dingers, not bunt" mindset that is the problem. I don't know if its a GM thing or a player thing, but if they took some time to learn to bunt and more often then not could lay down down a bunt into the totally abandoned 3b side of the field and walk to 1st it would disappear almost over night.
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Feb 9, 2021 01:05
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Different eras, but Ty Cobb used to send angry old man letters to Ted Williams for refusing hit against the shift. https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/just-because-the-ted-williams-shift/ Look at that image at the bottom of the page (I'm on a phone, can't embed.) Williams is either the greatest hitter in history for the BA he maintained against the shift, or an incredible moron for not hitting .500 against it.
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Maybe instead of banning the shift you should teach batters how to properly beat it Sure, let’s just confine every IF in the league to strictly defined spots on the field so that guys like Josh Reddick can get a few more weak singles.
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Big Mean Jerk posted:Maybe instead of banning the shift you should teach batters how to properly beat it Well that is the hope with the dead ball though, right? If singles hitters aren't hitting 35 homers everyone will try to hit homers less.
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Feb 9, 2021 01:16
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Darude - Adam Sandstorm posted:Ya you don't need to move the mound. You can alter the height or the strikezone Yeah, any of these changes are fine with me. High strikeouts are only going to get worse as pitchers learn more about pitch development
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euphronius posted:Seeing a guy hit a single and it’s actually an out because the third base man is in short right field is stupid and boring Hit it the other way or over their head then
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Feb 9, 2021 01:58
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Yadi and Cards close to deal, Rosenthal has it.
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Feb 9, 2021 01:58
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TBH I thought it was mostly old boomers complaining about the contact rate and guys striking out so much
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Inspector_666 posted:Or the mound has to be lowered. There's a school of thought that moving the mound back might actually make things worse because you are able to add even more movement to your pitches. That's what I've heard from people who seem to know what their talking about. Imagine the break on a good curve or slider, then let that pitcher aim it farther inside/behind the batter.
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Feb 9, 2021 02:03
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The secret is we're all old now.
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Feb 9, 2021 02:03
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The ball of the late 2010s was ridiculously over-juiced. It wasn't fun seeing every at bat end in a strikeout, or lightly poking the ball over the fence.
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Feb 9, 2021 02:36
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Oh sure the Giants finally start hitting some dingers and now everyone wants to nerf the ball 
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Feb 9, 2021 02:36
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I say we commission a study of fans who think there are too many HRs with fans who root for teams with bad offenses! Oh sure... I know why you want to ban the shift...
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Nodoze posted:TBH I thought it was mostly old boomers complaining about the contact rate and guys striking out so much It's old boomers complaining that this is the fault of players "not knowing how to play the game right". The players are optimizing their strategy to win games, so you can't blame anyone for wanting to hit the ball in the air, or for pitchers wanting to pound high fastballs at 98, or for working the count and drawing walks. It's just that the more three true outcomes baseball is, the less action there is, and it's less interesting to watch. The league is responsible for reacting to changes in the way the game is played and adjusting the rules or equipment to keep the experience entertaining. Changing the ball or the strike zone doesn't change the fundamentals of the game - I'd argue that the runner on second rule, 7-inning doubleheaders, the 3-batter minimum, and the DH all change the fundamentals much more than that, and MLB is fine imposing those changes.
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I don't like the idea of banning the shift, because I don't like the idea of artificially limiting strategies. I want weird defensive configurations, or at least I want people to see if they work.
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Runner on second in extras makes no sense to me. Extra inning games don't go very long, the few that do are really funny and rare, maybe a handful a season out of thousands of games.
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