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Davros1 posted:Isn't Sheamus' neck being held together primarily by wishes right now? Isn't that why they stuck him in a tag team? Apparently he and Edge are seeing the same magician.
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Punch McLightning posted:Apparently he and Edge are seeing the same magician. Yeah. I thought Edge was done forever level of sustained injuries.
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I'm pretty sure it's more likely that Edge, Bryan, etc. haven't been miraculously healed and instead WWE just doesn't really give a poo poo about the health and safety of their not employees.
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Vince MechMahon posted:I'm pretty sure it's more likely that Edge, Bryan, etc. haven't been miraculously healed and instead WWE just doesn't really give a poo poo about the health and safety of their not employees. I think it's probably a little of both. I sure as gently caress would have dropped plans to give Edge a title run (let alone one where he wants to work with newer guys) after he put himself out of action in The Greatest Wrestling Match Ever
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Vince MechMahon posted:I'm pretty sure it's more likely that Edge, Bryan, etc. haven't been miraculously healed and instead WWE just doesn't really give a poo poo about the health and safety of their not employees. The way Dave discussed it recently made it sound kind of the opposite, like WWE's doctors are incompetently telling guys they can't wrestle ever again and other doctors are telling them otherwise.
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Feb 9, 2021 23:22
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Pylons posted:I think it's probably a little of both. I sure as gently caress would have dropped plans to give Edge a title run (let alone one where he wants to work with newer guys) after he put himself out of action in The Greatest Wrestling Match Ever An injury that could happen to anyone on steroids is hardly a reason to kill plans for a push.
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your friend wicka posted:The way Dave discussed it recently made it sound kind of the opposite, like WWE's doctors are incompetently telling guys they can't wrestle ever again and other doctors are telling them otherwise. Yeah I thought every doctor BUT WWE's doctor cleared Bryan years ago and the theory was Vince wanted Bryan out of commission so he could give Roman the top face push and not have to worry about Bryan and the fans hijacking it.
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That's not true, they also refused his request for a release so he couldn't go to New Japan.
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your friend wicka posted:The way Dave discussed it recently made it sound kind of the opposite, like WWE's doctors are incompetently telling guys they can't wrestle ever again and other doctors are telling them otherwise. Wasn't WWE's top medical guy for ages that chiropractor of extremely dubious provenance but who might have been Sub-Zero in the first Mortal Kombat movie?
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Wow, 500,000.. that's like, loving nothing for them.
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Dawgstar posted:Wasn't WWE's top medical guy for ages that chiropractor of extremely dubious provenance but who might have been Sub-Zero in the first Mortal Kombat movie? Francois Petit. Referred to as a "self-trained chiropractor" on an episode of Austin's podcast. Some accounts, like Kevin Kelly's profile of him for Raw Magazine, suggest he was primarily a massage therapist: https://twitter.com/davidbix/status/1028848617350680576 As is plainly obvious reading the article, he's full of poo poo. And the website for massage licenses in California lists no license—any status—for anyone named Francois Petit. So...who knows what his deal actually was beyond being a masseur of some kind that a few wrestlers spoke up for as a miracle worker. But there was absolutely a time where he was their entire medical staff, hence his bizarre interference with the EMTs trying to save Owen Hart. EDIT: Jericho, in his second book, outright said Francois was all they had when he got to the WWF (as opposed to WCW, which had, at a minimum, at least two athletic trainers who would be referenced by name on TV when they were integrated into angles): https://twitter.com/AnthonySkatz/status/1028845627915075585 I don't doubt that someone spending an extensive amount of time in east Asia—if he really did—could amass a lot of massage or related training that they couldn't use towards a license in the U.S. without starting over with their schooling. But he still raises a bunch of red flags. As for WWE, I'm not sure when they even first had an athletic trainer, or if there ever was one before Larry Heck. I pulled up his LinkedIn page to try to get an idea...but he weirdly has no start date listed?!?! https://www.linkedin.com/in/larry-heck-lat-atc-626563102 davidbix fucked around with this message at 05:35 on Feb 10, 2021 |
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cool, love to accept how loving dumb the show is as long as Vince makes money I guess lol
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"Ratings obsessed mind" is one for the books. You're obsessed with the single most important metric that literally determines everything.
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The last episode of Raw was worth a little over 5 million dollars to WWE. In case you're keeping score at home, 5 million is 10 times more than 500,000.
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I like how there’s zero consideration of “so what the hell happens when Bunny moves on from doing this” going on It’s like anyone who actually considers themselves within the WWE fandom has swallowed the “all that matters is now! Moments are the thing! People don’t care if things make sense! THE BRAND, MIKEY, THE BRAND!” bullshit that everyone who works for the company has swallowed.
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DLC Inc posted:cool, love to accept how loving dumb the show is as long as Vince makes money I guess lol https://twitter.com/Malichi5299/status/1359250602195320854 I guess Ryan had tweeted a hot take about Bad Bunny being good for ratings or something like that so that guy decided to troll him or whatever? But it's not a discussion about the quality of the show. As I always say: He says/does enough outlandish things that we don't really need to stretch for examples.
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MJeff posted:The last episode of Raw was worth a little over 5 million dollars to WWE. It's like when people brag about how much money WWE makes from youtube. At most, they make like, $12 million a year.
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A more interesting reply is "Ryan, how much is Bad Bunny being paid because that is the only way we can evaluate if $500,000 is a good return at this point or not. Also, what is WWE's profit on those items and is any money going to Bad Bunny?"
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I don’t think ratings are the most important metric. Better Call Saul is possibly the best active show on television and does less viewership than RAW on average. It will also be remembered for 50 years and RAW and Smackdown probably won’t. Ratings are weird and useless metrics in an internet age where people half engage with the media they love and half engage with the media they hate. There are dozens of metrics that matter and ratings are just one element. Social media views are huge, hate is as valuable as adoration now, I don’t get why ratings are such a big conversation piece outside of console wars style brand alignment for fans to play games with.
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Eat My Fuc posted:I don’t think ratings are the most important metric. Better Call Saul is possibly the best active show on television and does less viewership than RAW on average. It will also be remembered for 50 years and RAW and Smackdown probably won’t. Ratings are weird and useless metrics in an internet age where people half engage with the media they love and half engage with the media they hate. There are dozens of metrics that matter and ratings are just one element. Social media views are huge, hate is as valuable as adoration now, I don’t get why ratings are such a big conversation piece outside of console wars style brand alignment for fans to play games with. Because TV networks are paying giant amounts of money for shows and they judge them based on ratings!
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A big difference is Better Call Saul is a serialized, seasonal show with a set begining and end that a lot of people will watch in ways other than first run TV. WWE is... Not something people do that with. You don't wait for the season to be over to binge it all on Netflix. The people who watch the show the night of are the people who are going to watch it, and that's that.
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As someone who doesn't watch Better Call Saul it looks like its demos last season were a little higher than WWE just did. Some shows are on for different reasons. It's good when prestige stuff gets viewers but it also has some value when it wins awards and can be sold in syndication and streaming. With Raw it's on to buoy USA's overall viewership (which has been tanking) and to also pull in the demo. It's not there to win awards or whatever, it's a show that's on to get viewers. So since people mostly hate the show now, and just saying "it's bad" isn't exciting in wrestling (which even calls itself "the business") it's easy to point out the ratings keep sliding.
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There’s also probably different costs involved where it’s not easy to make a 1:1 comparison between WWE and any given prestige drama, for example, I doubt Netflix is paying a billion dollars for the exclusive streaming rights to Better Call Saul the way Peacock is for WWE.
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Lead Pipe Cinch posted:There’s also probably different costs involved where it’s not easy to make a 1:1 comparison between WWE and any given prestige drama, for example, I doubt Netflix is paying a billion dollars for the exclusive streaming rights to Better Call Saul the way Peacock is for WWE. The streaming rights for WWE Network are basically paying for a subscriber base, a subscriber base that is paying for first run content, and then also for a giant library. Friends which is what, 50 hours of programming cost $500 million for the streaming rights. Some of the recent cable prestige shows will get big money too. (The ones that aren't owned by a company with a service.)
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The Cameo posted:I like how there’s zero consideration of “so what the hell happens when Bunny moves on from doing this” going on More to the point, what does it say about your brand if a guest star immediately becomes the top merch seller above your own supposed stars?
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That kinda reminds me of Bullet Club shirts immediately rocketing to the top of PWT after the angle started on Dynamite.
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davidbix posted:Francois Petit. Referred to as a "self-trained chiropractor" on an episode of Austin's podcast. Some accounts, like Kevin Kelly's profile of him for Raw Magazine, suggest he was primarily a massage therapist They're the same thing he just doesn't have the med school debt.
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MassRafTer posted:The streaming rights for WWE Network are basically paying for a subscriber base, a subscriber base that is paying for first run content, and then also for a giant library. Friends which is what, 50 hours of programming cost $500 million for the streaming rights. Sure, same principle behind Comcast pulling back The Office for Peacock. The streaming services feel a little Wild West in that there are a lot of big swings happening to try and figure out what’s going to generate and maintain subscribers. I think everyone here understands that ratings aren’t the be all end all, but also you are right that grossing half a million on merch off a guy who almost certainly can negotiate a favorable split probably isn’t the big deal Satin would like people to believe it is.
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Pylons posted:That kinda reminds me of Bullet Club shirts immediately rocketing to the top of PWT after the angle started on Dynamite. I got an email from NJPW promoting KENTA's shirts before I even knew he showed up
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https://twitter.com/QuentinBerkley/with_replies uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
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no highly esteemed deed is commemorated here Lunatic Sledge fucked around with this message at 09:20 on Feb 10, 2021 |
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Please can we not use this thread for creepy internet stalkers
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yeah I'll be honest that poo poo's more unsettling than it is entertaining I wish I could unread tweets
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i’ve asked this for literally years lol i think we’ve lost this battle troops
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someday we will go a single week without someone posting a literal stalker or someone obviously in mental health crisis in this thread, but not this week.
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Pylons posted:Wow, 500,000.. that's like, loving nothing for them. Listen here bud that's enough to pay for two, hell maybe even three mid carders to sit in catering all year
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Lead Pipe Cinch posted:Sure, same principle behind Comcast pulling back The Office for Peacock. Half a million in merch sales is like... ten to fifteen thousand shirts. Which frankly isn't that many. It's what Pro Wrestling Tees shifted on All In weekend.
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