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CRUSTY MINGE posted:The VA isn't as lovely as it used to be. And they're already swamped with knee injured vets. Proving it is having copies of your medical records from appointments you've had regarding your knees. Always get copies for your personal record and take it to a VSO so they can sift through it while you outprocess, they'll schedule appointments with doctors to have you poked and prodded for disability. There is support though for these kinds of issues. Veterans organizations can frequently help. My grandfather didn't find out until 2000 that he was entitled to be considered 100% disabled from cold weather injuries he sustained in North Korea, that occured in Nov./Dec. 1950.
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Yeah, there are a lot of groups that will do the paperwork for you and go every last inch to get you what you're due. I used VFW on the way out of the service, and DAV for subsequent claims. The VA has come a long way in the last decade itself, though.
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VSOs good. never use a lawyer4vets because they're all worthless grifting morons that don't do anything but submit forms for you then take 30+% of any retroShame Boy posted:Man I just realized I bet the VA is gonna be inundated with blown-out knees in a few years (if they're not already). Like "carrying so much poo poo it destroys your joints" is gonna be this generation's agent orange or something. 
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Feb 11, 2021 17:23
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lol sounds like you have to be a real loving idiot to join the military
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Feb 11, 2021 17:33
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indigi posted:lol sounds like you have to be a real loving idiot to join the military Yeah, lots of us vets are aware we're idiots.
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Feb 11, 2021 17:41
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indigi posted:lol sounds like you have to be a real loving idiot to join the military Good luck going to college or have basic healthcare if you're not born middle class or above then. Was it this thread that had a graph showing that 80% of enlistees joined for financial/health/etc reasons? What I'm saying is that joining the military is the only way to get basic social services in Usa.
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BonHair posted:Good luck going to college or have basic healthcare if you're not born middle class or above then. Was it this thread that had a graph showing that 80% of enlistees joined for financial/health/etc reasons? every one of my friends from high school were poor, some didn’t have health insurance, and none of us joined the military to go college. also, me
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indigi posted:lol sounds like you have to be a real loving idiot to join the military I remember lots of articles in the 200xs about Army recruitment standards being lowered oh wait here's one https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2008/01/the-u-s-army-lowers-recruitment-standards-again.amp AvesPKS has issued a correction as of 17:51 on Feb 11, 2021 |
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Feb 11, 2021 17:47
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love 2 blame the victim instead of the system
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Apathetic Medic posted:love 2 blame the victim instead of the system What's the phrase for assigning partial blame for a situation?
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lol at thinking the victim is the perpetrator of us imperialism instead of those doomed to suffer it
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Feb 11, 2021 17:55
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indigi posted:every one of my friends from high school were poor, some didn’t have health insurance, and none of us joined the military to go college. also, me I mean, it's not exactly the only way, it's just an easy way. I wouldn't know anyway, I'm from a relatively sane country where I graduated university essentially debt free and haggled my way out of potential military service with the army doctor.
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AvesPKS posted:I remember lots of articles in the 200xs about Army recruiting standards being lowered oh wait here's one when they raised the eligibility age, there were a lot of articles back then about older recruits washing out, not because they couldn't handle the physical portion, but because when you are 35 and joined to dispense copper jacketed freedom to brown people and instead find yourself making GBS threads on a toilet with no door and getting screamed at by some rear end in a top hat about about how to make your bed, your first reaction is "i don't need this poo poo"
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I work in military healthcare, and it sucks. Countless restrictions, a lack of providers, out of date network lists, and countless other horrors. Nobody knows what they're doing, nobody seems to care, and our jobs consist of finding friendly, creative ways to say "no" to people. The sad thing is that it's still some of the "best" insurance in the country. We are owned by loving ghouls and the more I dwell on it the more I want to give myself a hot, filling serving of vitamin lead.
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My kids still can't believe that anyone would join the Army reserve to pay for college and not expect to get called up and spend years in a sandy hellhole.
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BonHair posted:I mean, it's not exactly the only way, it's just an easy way. I wouldn't know anyway, I'm from a relatively sane country where I graduated university essentially debt free and haggled my way out of potential military service with the army doctor. I totally understand why people do it, but I don’t think that’s a get out of jail free card. people need to own that mistake
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Remulak posted:My kids still can't believe that anyone would join the Army reserve to pay for college and not expect to get called up and spend years in a sandy hellhole. The recruiters lie "we'll station you in Hawaii" was a big one when I was a kid
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indigi posted:lol sounds like you have to be a real loving idiot to join the military I don't know about anyone else's story but I was a nineteen year old guy stuck in a lovely swamp town in the middle of nowhere South Carolina. This was before 911 and forever war, too. It seemed appealing at the time. I hated every second of it and I've never felt proud of my time in Iraq, it would have been the right thing to do to refuse to go but I was a coward. I got super lucky too and popped a positive UA for cocaine right after we got back and got kicked out early like a couple months before my unit got stop-lossed for a second round in Iraq. It's funny because at the time I thought a general discharge from the Army would be a death sentence, but the only repercussion I've ever had from it is not getting the GI Bill. Nobody's ever asked to see my discharge paperwork lmao
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Feb 11, 2021 18:02
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BonHair posted:Good luck going to college or have basic healthcare if you're not born middle class or above then. Was it this thread that had a graph showing that 80% of enlistees joined for financial/health/etc reasons? Are you telling me that "service guarantees citizenship"??
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BonHair posted:I mean, it's not exactly the only way, it's just an easy way. I wouldn't know anyway, I'm from a relatively sane country where I graduated university essentially debt free and haggled my way out of potential military service with the army doctor. "I'm from a relatively sane country where we simply make people join the military" is quite the take. I mean I agree that it's still sane vs. the US in pretty much every other aspect but lol
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Shame Boy posted:Are you telling me that "service guarantees citizenship"?? yes
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Shame Boy posted:Are you telling me that "service guarantees citizenship"??  also 
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quote:INA 329 applies to all current military service members or veterans who served honorably in an active-duty status or in the Selected Reserve of the Ready Reserve during any of the designated periods of armed conflict listed below: Lol "forever" is just a "designated period of armed conflict" now
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Not really related but Norway's population is 5 million while Ukraine's is 44 million yet Ukraine only uses like 11 TWh more, I wonder what's up with that e: Also I'd think Norway would use a lot more energy for heating but I guess this is only counting electricity and that's probably all gas or something?
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From 2013: http://budgetpriorities.org/military-branches-wrestle-with-cost-effectiveness-of-nascar-sponsorships-the-washington-post/ quote:
I love how happy this guy is about recruiting his own constituents to get sent overseas. But my point is, a lot of money and effort were put into normalizing, almost fetishizing, military service over the last 20 years with the general public, and that can't be ignored. And not everyone had the benefit of my grandfather telling them for 20 years not to be a rifleman.
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Shame Boy posted:"I'm from a relatively sane country where we simply make people join the military" is quite the take. I mean I agree that it's still sane vs. the US in pretty much every other aspect but lol If you make everyone join the military the public may be less supportive of pointless meatgrinders. Defend the homeland, sure. Send kids your kids halfway around the world to fight for oil profits? Nah. Probably harder to get people to idolize veterans if everyone is a veteran, lol. Like trying to lionize high school graduates.
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Facebook Aunt posted:If you make everyone join the military the public may be less supportive of pointless meatgrinders. Defend the homeland, sure. Send kids your kids halfway around the world to fight for oil profits? Nah. On the one hand I've definitely read some stories about how much the public perception of the military has been skewed ever since we stopped doing conscription and less and less of the population actually has first-hand experience with the reality of it. On the other hand I definitely do not trust the modern American public to not just go full Starship Troopers and embrace it even more for some reason.
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Facebook Aunt posted:If you make everyone join the military the public may be less supportive of pointless meatgrinders. Defend the homeland, sure. Send kids your kids halfway around the world to fight for oil profits? Nah. Yeah this is where I'm at these days On the other hand, Shame Boy posted:I definitely do not trust the modern American public to not just go full Starship Troopers and embrace it even more for some reason.
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Shame Boy posted:"I'm from a relatively sane country where we simply make people join the military" is quite the take. I mean I agree that it's still sane vs. the US in pretty much every other aspect but lol Yeah, agreed. It's not a full on conscription though, men (NO WOMEN) get a physical exam, an IQ test and then you get to either volunteer (most recruits) or draw lots to see if you have to serve. If you get a service lot, you can refuse military service and you get to do some other service, which apparently is a good way into the entertainment industry. When you join, you only get basic training and domestic service, any stationing or deployment is something you voluntarily sign up for afterwards, so it's no big deal. It's like a year max too, more likely 6 months I think.
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conscripted military in my country used to be a cesspool of sexual abuse, violent abuse and a waste of a year. far from 'not a big deal.' you definitely don't want to force people into the military unless you have to. i mean it's better than what america does but that doesn't make it good.
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Facebook Aunt posted:If you make everyone join the military the public may be less supportive of pointless meatgrinders. Defend the homeland, sure. Send kids your kids halfway around the world to fight for oil profits? Nah. It literally doesn't matter what the public at large supports or doesn't support in this country regarding policy outcomes. They're non-correlated. The only people who actually matter in that respect are people with 100+ million dollar net worths. Mandatory conscription won't matter to them (and never has) because there are plenty of ways for a sufficiently rich or connected person to escape the draft.
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BonHair posted:Yeah, agreed. It's not a full on conscription though, men (NO WOMEN) get a physical exam, an IQ test and then you get to either volunteer (most recruits) or draw lots to see if you have to serve. If you get a service lot, you can refuse military service and you get to do some other service, which apparently is a good way into the entertainment industry. Also you can be a conscientous objector, at least in Denmark They really wanted me for the army, but I worked at a hospital for 10 months. You can also work at cultural institutions & such
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Compulsory military service is evil, but publin service in general could be a good thing. It could provide training and new perspectives on things.
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dex_sda posted:conscripted military in my country used to be a cesspool of sexual abuse, violent abuse and a waste of a year. far from 'not a big deal.' you definitely don't want to force people into the military unless you have to. i mean it's better than what america does but that doesn't make it good. I mean, yeah, it's probably very far from ideal because of the great culture that militaries have, the hierarchy and being forced to live together on a base. But it's still a lot better than getting your back and knees hosed while you get to kill brown people who might kill you back. But the problem is probably not worth conscription, but with having a military at all. To be fair, I only know two or three guys who served, and they're all pretty unlikely victims of any abuse, so I may have a rose tinted impression. I definitely think we should abandon conscription and probably the military altogether. It's a funny political situation about conscription though, because we occasionally discuss why only men get conscripted, and mostly everyone agrees that it's dumb, but changing it would either require abandoning it or voting in favour of it. The left can't get a majority for abandoning it, but they sure aren't gonna vote in favour of conscription, so it's deadlocked.
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Screaming Idiot posted:Compulsory military service is evil, but publin service in general could be a good thing. It could provide training and new perspectives on things. Yeah, this is very true. Let everyone, especially rich fuckers, scrub floors in a hospital for six months to get some perspective.
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i got bad news for what rich fuckers do under compulsory service (it aint scrubbing floors)
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bob dobbs is dead posted:i got bad news for what rich fuckers do under compulsory service I know, but as long as I'm pipe dreaming, I might as well make it good. Actually just make the service applied carpentry for patricidal use.
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Shame Boy posted:Not really related but Norway's population is 5 million while Ukraine's is 44 million yet Ukraine only uses like 11 TWh more, I wonder what's up with that The average Norwegian is like 5x wealthier than the average Ukrainian in terms of PPP. That Norwegian has a smart home with all modcons drawing juice, while the Ukrainian has a potato for entertainment
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