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FlamingLiberal posted:It’s not clear either, but it appears like they gave the crew like 2 weeks of a crash course in 32nd century tech before sending them on their way I really don't think most TV writers are up to the challenge of writing insane, hyper-advanced, Culture-style futuretech, because it breaks an awful lot of stock stories, scenarios and cliches. The ST:D writers especially are barely capable of decent 'standard' sci-fi plots... EDIT and I guess that overall people probably don't want extremely speculative sci-fi stories, they want 21st century dramatic situations with more pew pew
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I'm not too fussed about that, I'm perfectly willing to accept the Disco conceit of "Warp Drive is the only way to reliably make the laws of physics sit down and shut up so you can travel faster than light, also to do it in a way that makes galactic travel feasible you need dilithium in some sense". You can refine the engine, you can make it faster or more efficient, and there are other options that are crazy dangerous or unreliable or require rare exotic elements, but there is no breaking past Warp Drive to a 'higher tech level' in Star Trek.
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Alchenar posted:I'm not too fussed about that, I'm perfectly willing to accept the Disco conceit of "Warp Drive is the only way to reliably make the laws of physics sit down and shut up so you can travel faster than light, also to do it in a way that makes galactic travel feasible you need dilithium in some sense". Way back in Encounter at Farpoint, it seemed that even Q was only barely faster than the Enterprise. (Of course, Q might have just been loving with them.)
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Alchenar posted:You can refine the engine, you can make it faster or more efficient, and there are other options that are crazy dangerous or unreliable or require rare exotic elements, but there is no breaking past Warp Drive to a 'higher tech level' in Star Trek. What about 'When The Bough Breaks': the Aldeans had a repulsor bean that flung them 3 days away at warp 9, in a matter of seconds? My partner are going back and forth choosing episodes of TNG and then I'm slowly getting through DS9, very good pandemic TV watching. We have a contest on who will pick the worst episode. I'd like to think we're tied, she picked The Host, but I picked Galaxy's Child.
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Powered Descent posted:(Of course, Q might have just been loving with them.) Might??
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There are plenty of alternatives to warp, like the Borg transwarp conduits and that ancient race that had stargates but without needing a destination.
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Did anyone see that the saru's kind doing his weird goku scream and just go "nah I am done with discovery forever" like me.
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Johnny Truant posted:What about 'When The Bough Breaks': the Aldeans had a repulsor bean that flung them 3 days away at warp 9, in a matter of seconds? Most of trek (particularly TNG) is not written on the basis that every element of every episode is supposed to form a holistic true picture of this fictional world. There are things that are consistent, and then there are things that exist for the purposes of one episode's story and and then are never mentioned again.
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nine-gear crow posted:For me it was always the USS Dauntless that was my favourite Voyager ship. This is my anwser as well, it's just stylish as hell.
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Merde! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CsbmvEsX5zM
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Alchenar posted:Most of trek (particularly TNG) is not written on the basis that every element of every episode is supposed to form a holistic true picture of this fictional world.
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Alchenar posted:Most of trek (particularly TNG) is not written on the basis that every element of every episode is supposed to form a holistic true picture of this fictional world. It's especially alien tech that just only exists for the episode and does something otherwise impossible. And most of that is just a space wizard did it really, which is fine with me. It's not so much inconsistent as just detached pieces of magic that only work at that specific time/space.
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FlamingLiberal posted:It’s not clear either, but it appears like they gave the crew like 2 weeks of a crash course in 32nd century tech before sending them on their way The controls are all gooey now. Future!
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The evil AI that Discovery brought with it should have merged with programmable matter. That would have been a loving excellent ramping up of the odds.
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Alchenar posted:There are things that are consistent, and then there are things that exist for the purposes of one episode's story and and then are never mentioned again.
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Animal-Mother posted:Discovery needs a Q episode. It definitely needs a 'weird poo poo' episode. The closest it's gone so far is the S1 time loop, and the bits with Carl this latest season. Disco should do something like The Royale, or Move Along Home. Where's the giant green space hand, or getting trapped in the clown computer dimension?
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Animal-Mother posted:Discovery needs a Q episode. *blinks in* Q: poo poo, why did I faff about with you monkeys and that bald captain if I knew most of you would all blow up later. Makes my past endeavors to help you lot look pointless now. *blinks out*
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It just occurred to me that with the android tech we see on Picard, what's stopping someone from using that to make people immortal like they basically could have done with Picard? The tech is there!
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FlamingLiberal posted:It just occurred to me that with the android tech we see on Picard, what's stopping someone from using that to make people immortal like they basically could have done with Picard? The tech is there! They are like KFC. Only one person knows the secret ingredients to making immortal bodies, Dr Soong. Would have been funny if Discovery landed in the future and Admiral Frowny Face went 'poo poo you must be from the past, you are still meat' and his face opened Ghost in the Shell style.
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happyhippy posted:They are like KFC.
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FlamingLiberal posted:It just occurred to me that with the android tech we see on Picard, what's stopping someone from using that to make people immortal like they basically could have done with Picard? The tech is there! TNG also created a "biological imortality" device by using the transporter to de-age people's DNA like Paulaski and what happened to Picard, Ro and Guinan in Rascals. It's one of those "please god, don't think about it" plot contrivances.
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nine-gear crow posted:TNG also created a "biological imortality" device by using the transporter to de-age people's DNA like Paulaski and what happened to Picard, Ro and Guinan in Rascals.
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The_Doctor posted:It definitely needs a 'weird poo poo' episode. The closest it's gone so far is the S1 time loop, and the bits with Carl this latest season. Disco should do something like The Royale, or Move Along Home. Where's the giant green space hand, or getting trapped in the clown computer dimension? It's hard to do that if you're trying to do a show with a serialized season long plot and you only have ten episodes to do it in. If you want those sorts of episodes, make the show episodic.
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Season seven was really the moms season
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Pick posted:Season seven was really the moms season Read this is the Morns season. Ah, Morn.
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HopperUK posted:Read this is the Morns season. Ah, Morn. I would mourn for Morn
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Is Discovery the first series without Majel Barrett-Roddenberry?
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On Enterprise she isn't really around, except for two episodes that aren't set on the NX-01
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FlamingLiberal posted:On Enterprise she isn't really around, except for two episodes that aren't set on the NX-01 She did play the computer in the last episode of ENT I believe.
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Nessus posted:Right, I remember in the TNG tech guide there's even a statement that the transporter was great because it let them insert the characters into the action and then bring them back, and they even acknowledged that back in TOS there's one episode whose drama could have been entirely resolved by "send a shuttlecraft," but they hadn't yet come up with those. The transporter quite literally exists because the Anderson Company would have never been able to execute the planetary landing shots on-time to meet TOS' shooting schedule, and Roddenberry and particularly Justman realized they needed a backup plan. And thus the transporter was born.
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Timby posted:The transporter quite literally exists because the Anderson Company would have never been able to execute the planetary landing shots on-time to meet TOS' shooting schedule, and Roddenberry and particularly Justman realized they needed a backup plan. And thus the transporter was born. The transporter rules and saved us from SW sequel disease where they have to show everyone next to their ship landing every single time in case otherwise you'd be confused how people got from one planet to a different one every single time it happened
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Nitrousoxide posted:She did play the computer in the last episode of ENT I believe.
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I am surprised there is no voice activated windows/mac overlay with her voice on the market to buy. A whole lot of nerds like myself would love that poo poo.
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happyhippy posted:I am surprised there is no voice activated windows/mac overlay with her voice on the market to buy. IIRC they recorded her voice before her death, getting all the syllables and whatnot so they could reconstruct at any point? EDIT: https://twitter.com/roddenberry/status/772493204121944066
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Alchenar posted:Most of trek (particularly TNG) is not written on the basis that every element of every episode is supposed to form a holistic true picture of this fictional world. It's been pretty consistent across Trek (until now) that warp drive is both constantly being improved upon and that there are ongoing efforts to develop alternatives to it. Discovery, with all the care it showed to portraying a harmonious and respectful past of the franchise, also showed us a future that bore little resemblance to "things that are consistent".
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Didn't they re-write the warp speed scale like twice now? TOS warp being reworked for TNG, TNG going fuckit warp 13 or something in the finale. And then we have an obvious new scale cause of... Threshold...
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