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BonHair
Apr 28, 2007

Muscle Tracer posted:



my only complaint with this map is that the US itself is not represented.

Actually, this got me thinking, how important is Usan foreign aid to the economy of Israel? I know they wouldn't collapse without it, but it's gotta be a major part of the budget?

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Pakled
Aug 6, 2011

WE ARE SMART

BonHair posted:

Actually, this got me thinking, how important is Usan foreign aid to the economy of Israel? I know they wouldn't collapse without it, but it's gotta be a major part of the budget?

Most US military aid is in the form of "if you buy $x worth of military equipment from y American defense contractor, we'll foot the bill"

If we assume all of the aid to Israel is in that form (I don't know if it is), then it makes up a pretty decent chunk of their military budget (google says $20.5 billion, I don't know if that number includes US military aid). Ultimately it probably means Israel gets to employ more soldiers, but most/all the money from the military aid goes to American defense contractors.

A Buttery Pastry
Sep 4, 2011

Delicious and Informative!
:3:

Pakled posted:

Most US military aid is in the form of "if you buy $x worth of military equipment from y American defense contractor, we'll foot the bill"

If we assume all of the aid to Israel is in that form (I don't know if it is), then it makes up a pretty decent chunk of their military budget (google says $20.5 billion, I don't know if that number includes US military aid). Ultimately it probably means Israel gets to employ more soldiers, but most/all the money from the military aid goes to American defense contractors.
I have to assume taking into account the defense contractors countries are buying from would skew the whole "Europe doesn't pay for its defense bit" quite a bit in favor of the US compared to just looking at defense spending as a percentage of GDP.

Orange Devil
Oct 1, 2010

Wullie's reign cannae smother the flames o' equality!

A Buttery Pastry posted:

I have to assume taking into account the defense contractors countries are buying from would skew the whole "Europe doesn't pay for its defense bit" quite a bit in favor of the US compared to just looking at defense spending as a percentage of GDP.

Yeah but then this is implicitly the tribute system the US empire imposes on its vassal states.

Vivian Darkbloom
Jul 14, 2004


https://twitter.com/eparillon/status/1360028740290449409

I guess it's a USPS thing

System Metternich
Feb 28, 2010

But what did he mean by that?

What's up with the weird Sierra Coastal panhandle just jutting out into what seems to be the middle of nowhere?

Platystemon
Feb 13, 2012

BREADS

System Metternich posted:

What's up with the weird Sierra Coastal panhandle just jutting out into what seems to be the middle of nowhere?

Those are Inyo and Mono counties.

They’re separated from the province of SACRAMENTO by the highest mountain range in the contiguous United States, so it doesn’t make a lot of sense to associate them with that.

Associating them with NEVADA SIERRA wouldn’t be so bad, but it’s not clearly better than putting them as a panhandle on SIERRA COASTAL.

e: This current snow depth map kind of illustrates the geographic situation. US-395 is the main artery. Up toward Reno, it gets snow. Down toward Southern California, it is snow-free.

Platystemon fucked around with this message at 11:41 on Feb 12, 2021

A Buttery Pastry
Sep 4, 2011

Delicious and Informative!
:3:

Orange Devil posted:

Yeah but then this is implicitly the tribute system the US empire imposes on its vassal states.
The US is really good at being exactly what a lot of its (internal) detractors want it to be, but obfuscating it to the point that these detractors get pissed off because they believe the propaganda, whether it's welfare, the carceral system, or the empire.

Golbez
Oct 9, 2002

1 2 3!
If you want to take a shot at me get in line, line
1 2 3!
Baby, I've had all my shots and I'm fine

Why is Greater South Carolina just a part of South Carolina

Kennel
May 1, 2008

BAWWW-UNH!

Deltasquid
Apr 10, 2013

awww...
you guys made me ink!


THUNDERDOME
I'm sure the EU member states will be absolutely stoked for a WASP country with a population of +- 56 million to dominate the parliament and council...

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal
To replace the one that left?

Deltasquid
Apr 10, 2013

awww...
you guys made me ink!


THUNDERDOME
At least the UK kept shooting itself in the foot by refusing to engage with the EU and then complaining the EU didn't act in their best interest

Geshtal
Nov 8, 2006

So that's the post you've decided to go with, is it?

Golbez posted:

Why is Greater South Carolina just a part of South Carolina

Because the smaller it is, the better we like it?

Saladman
Jan 12, 2010

Muscle Tracer posted:



my only complaint with this map is that the US itself is not represented.

What does a country like Uganda do with a whopping $200,000 of military aid? That's enough to employ like one military attache and give him enough to hand out business cards and fly home twice a year. Like literally only one assuming a salary and benefits of around $100k but you have to include payroll tax and random business arrangement fees and etc. etc. etc.

I'm surprised Tunisia is only $20m too, since they have a US military drone base. And where is Niger? They have US military bases too. I guess that doesn't explicitly count as "military aid" since Germany is also not on the map.

What year is that data though? All the numbers I can find for places like e.g. Lebanon are much higher / much more different. Like Lebanon was $218 million in FY2019: https://www.state.gov/u-s-security-...n%20for%20IMET. and it has totalled $1.7 billion to Lebanon between 2006-2019 ( https://www.state.gov/u-s-security-...n%20for%20IMET. ) , so that's a lot more than $75m/yr on average.

galagazombie
Oct 31, 2011

A silly little mouse!

Deltasquid posted:

At least the UK kept shooting itself in the foot by refusing to engage with the EU and then complaining the EU didn't act in their best interest

Seeing how hopeless the E.U has been at getting Europe to work together, I wonder how the hell the US managed to get 13 essentially independent countries to give up far more sovereignty than the EU has ever asked of it's members.

A Buttery Pastry
Sep 4, 2011

Delicious and Informative!
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galagazombie posted:

Seeing how hopeless the E.U has been at getting Europe to work together, I wonder how the hell the US managed to get 13 essentially independent countries to give up far more sovereignty than the EU has ever asked of it's members.
I mean, the US had a lot going for it:

- A lack of political representation
- Common cultural and religious background for the parts of the population the leadership cared about, and the leadership itself
- The expulsion of the least ideologically aligned parts of the population
- The threat of a greater power subjugating them again
- Having a very clear other as a neighbor, possessing land everyone wanted to take
- Revolts against the interests of the wealthy, caused by a weak central authority
- The states having much less state power to surrender, and a weaker conception of the state to surrender it to

The fact that it was in the clear material interest of the wealthy is probably the biggest thing though. Not just as a general rule, but for the individuals deciding the fate of the nation.

SlothfulCobra
Mar 27, 2011

I think it's also a bit of an exaggeration to call the 13 colonies totally independent. Even though the British crown didn't want them to trade between eachother, the colonies were pretty interlinked, one of the colonies was even formed from people leaving another colony. They were too small to really keep apart, even if there were things like Blackbeard playing the Carolinas against eachother.

It definitely was a far cry from Spain's colonies that were more genuinely independent, had very little direct communication or cooperation between eachother, and often couldn't even really get from one to another by land.

Pope Hilarius II
Nov 10, 2008

A Buttery Pastry posted:

I mean, the US had a lot going for it:

- A lack of political representation
- Common cultural and religious background for the parts of the population the leadership cared about, and the leadership itself
- The expulsion of the least ideologically aligned parts of the population
- The threat of a greater power subjugating them again
- Having a very clear other as a neighbor, possessing land everyone wanted to take
- Revolts against the interests of the wealthy, caused by a weak central authority
- The states having much less state power to surrender, and a weaker conception of the state to surrender it to

The fact that it was in the clear material interest of the wealthy is probably the biggest thing though. Not just as a general rule, but for the individuals deciding the fate of the nation.

Also
- A lack of centuries of fighting, oppressing and pillaging each others' lands
- None of the 13 colonies were former major empires with massive post-empire complexes
- The "nation state" as such was a very novel thing

FreudianSlippers
Apr 12, 2010

Shooting and Fucking
are the same thing!

The 13 colonies were all just off shoots of Britain, basically like different franchises of Subway except with a bit more genocide, and hadn't spent a thousand years trying to murder each other like Europe had.

Grammarchist
Jan 28, 2013

Yeah, it's easy to forget that something like 15 percent of the British Loyalists wound up fleeing the colonies after the Revolution, or were otherwise displaced during the war itself. It's like when the United States suddenly started passing some pretty progressive legislation after the Confederacy was formed and a bunch of conservatives abandoned their seats.

Of course the Colonists had a ton of friction between Northern and Southern factions and the Union had to manage Radical Republicans, Conservative Republicans and War Democrats, but either of those is a lot easier when your most recalcitrant opposition up and leaves. A more modern example might be all the anti-Castro Cubans leaving for the US, rendering opposition within Cuba with no power base to draw on.

I think I remember a few think pieces saying that Britain leaving the EU might make the EU more effective, but I guess that's not panning out.

galagazombie
Oct 31, 2011

A silly little mouse!
All these points are true, but it's still funny because the EU is still trying to do way less. Like no one seriously trying to make the EU a centralized state like America. It's more or less for the loosening of trade barriers. They couldn't even get everyone to use the Euro.

A Buttery Pastry
Sep 4, 2011

Delicious and Informative!
:3:

Grammarchist posted:

Yeah, it's easy to forget that something like 15 percent of the British Loyalists wound up fleeing the colonies after the Revolution, or were otherwise displaced during the war itself. It's like when the United States suddenly started passing some pretty progressive legislation after the Confederacy was formed and a bunch of conservatives abandoned their seats.
Yeah. The EU would probably have an easier time coming together if the 15% most ardent Euroskeptics left for the UK. You'd basically lose the entire nucleus around which the greater Euroskeptic movement forms.

galagazombie posted:

All these points are true, but it's still funny because the EU is still trying to do way less. Like no one seriously trying to make the EU a centralized state like America. It's more or less for the loosening of trade barriers. They couldn't even get everyone to use the Euro.
The US, even after it dropped the Articles of Confederation, was nowhere near the kind of centralized state it is today. If the EU manages to centralize in the way the US did when it adopted its constitution, I don't think people would truly recognize it as a federal state in this day and age, given the way the concept of the state has become far more encompassing than it was 200 years ago.

Rumda
Nov 4, 2009

Moth Lesbian Comrade
For the EU to centralise in the way the US did it would have to invade Russia takeover it's Western half partition in to new countries while keeping a lot of the land its own maybe preceding it by buying north Africa as well

3D Megadoodoo
Nov 25, 2010

Rumda posted:

For the EU to centralise in the way the US did it would have to invade Russia takeover it's Western half partition in to new countries while keeping a lot of the land its own maybe preceding it by buying north Africa as well

Yeah and man door hand hook car door.

Platystemon
Feb 13, 2012

BREADS

galagazombie posted:

They couldn't even get everyone to use the Euro.

It turns out that there are some downside to letting France and Germany set your monetary policy.

Rumda
Nov 4, 2009

Moth Lesbian Comrade

3D Megadoodoo posted:

Yeah and man door hand hook car door.

If it wasn't for manifest destiny the us wouldn't be even as centralised as it was, the Louisiana purchase and especially the Mexican American war were big parts of when made the US the US rather than these US

Lobster God
Nov 5, 2008
https://twitter.com/derJamesJackson/status/1360582040932990977?s=19

Badger of Basra
Jul 26, 2007

also proof that la sarre c'est la france

Grevling
Dec 18, 2016

People in certain former socialist countries tend to be really horny in my experience. I heard someone say something like after communism the Russians replaced it with alcohol, the Poles with God and the Czechs with extramarital sex.

Tei
Feb 19, 2011


the rare map where east germany is the right one

ultrafilter
Aug 23, 2007

It's okay if you have any questions.


Tei posted:

the rare map where east germany is the right one

East Germany is on the right in any map where north is at the top. :confused:

ContinuityNewTimes
Dec 30, 2010

Я выдуман напрочь

ultrafilter posted:

East Germany is on the right in any map where north is at the top. :confused:

Pope Hilarius II
Nov 10, 2008

Grevling posted:

People in certain former socialist countries tend to be really horny in my experience. I heard someone say something like after communism the Russians replaced it with alcohol, the Poles with God and the Czechs with extramarital sex.

They all did plenty of that under communism, too.

System Metternich
Feb 28, 2010

But what did he mean by that?


When I do the same in google trends it says that "bdsm" is the more popular query in every single state by like eight times :confused: Also Germans would search for "Die Bibel" and not "the bible" :ssh: (but that changes the results only marginally)

e: I did a couple of my own searches for Germany

"catholic" - "protestant"


"learning french" -"learning russian"


"beer" - "wine"


"alps" - "north sea"


"berlin" - "munich" - "hamburg" - "cologne" (i.e. Germany's four largest cities)


"northern germany" - "southern germany" :haw:

System Metternich fucked around with this message at 21:05 on Feb 13, 2021

Ras Het
May 23, 2007

when I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child - but now I am a man.

System Metternich posted:

When I do the same in google trends it says that "bdsm" is the more popular query in every single state by like eight times :confused: Also Germans would search for "Die Bibel" and not "the bible" :ssh: (but that changes the results only marginally)

I was wondering the same but I got the above map when I compared "bibel" with "bdsm", the guy seems to have just edited the pic to replace it with "The Bible"

TinTower
Apr 21, 2010

You don't have to 8e a good person to 8e a hero.
Repression breeds horniness. It’s like Queen Victoria being scandalised by naked table legs while her husband had genital piercings.

BonHair
Apr 28, 2007

TinTower posted:

Repression breeds horniness. It’s like Queen Victoria being scandalised by naked table legs while her husband had genital piercings.

Gonna need a source on that last one, preferably with pictures (I know what a prince Albert is, as that is also my first name. It comes up.).

The Bible isn't exactly without horniness if you know your way around medieval euphemisms.

Finally, in Danish we have the word "klunker", a vulgar term for testicles, which originated from cloth balls hanging from furniture to hide sexy couch legs.

SlothfulCobra
Mar 27, 2011

I think most stereotypes of victorian prudishness are vastly exaggerated.

The queen had 9 kids. I think she was okay with sex.

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FreudianSlippers
Apr 12, 2010

Shooting and Fucking
are the same thing!

Naked table legs being scandalous was a Victorian joke about how those religious nut Americans were a bunch of puritan prudes who were afraid of phallic table legs

Or so I've heard.

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